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Old 01-21-2019, 04:47 PM
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Most families at least attempt to do something rather than just hoping for the best. It’s unpleasant to do it, but irresponsible to ignore it.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:53 PM
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There's only so much a family can actually do if the person passes all their driving/eye tests. They do have rights even when they are elderly.


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Old 01-21-2019, 04:59 PM
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I can't imagine what anyone could do to get Prince Philip to listen to reason if he chooses not to. Not only is he an adult, and likely operating with all his marbles, but he is known to be impatient, arrogant, and resistant to anything that restricts him. He doesn't even take his PPO along in the car with him, which is a huge no-no. I suspect since he has retired, he no longer has any intention of doing anything he doesn't want to, and no longer considers himself bound by any responsibility to appease public perceptions. What we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a 97 year old loose cannon
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:13 PM
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The way I see it, right now, before the investigation into the accident has concluded is that the only real no-no that Philip has done was drive on public roads without a seat belt on. That is something that should be insisted on.

Glaring sunlight can cause any age driver to not be able to see as we've seen examples of in this thread. If it is ruled as an unavoidable accident due to the harsh sunlight, then there's no reason that Philip should have to give up driving. If, by any means, the ruling comes out that Philip was at fault and could have avoided the accident and it was negligence on Philip's part (for not wearing sunglasses or using a sun visor etc), then there's just cause to hang up the keys.

If having a mishap on the road in a moving vehicle is a reason to take away driving privileges, I think the roads would be quite less jammed with traffic.
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:18 PM
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Prince Philip 'drives like he's only one on road' and is 'notorious in Sandringham'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...e-hes-13882714
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:31 PM
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With a reputation of being a careless driver, the Duke might also be vulnerable to being “set up” in a staged accident.

I don’t know about the UK, but in the states a person can be called in to take a drivers test if concerns are raised by a doctor, law enforcement, or family. My mother got called in, but failed to respond. She eventually got a letter that her license was suspended. (I was the one who raised the concern to the DMV, but she thought it was my sister, and I didn’t confess it was me.)

This is interesting:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...-to-drive.html
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:34 PM
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Thank you, Lumutqueen

So if Ms. Fairweather has had a bad period behind her and is likely to lose her new job, with little compensation now that she is recovering, it is I think, reasonable to assume that her financial situation may very well be strained. Until some sort of compensation is awarded, which may take up to several months I presume.
She so to speak have just clawed her way back up from a hole, and now she's back.
The lure of telling her story for money, even if it may eventually backfire, is perhaps difficult for her to resist.

The rough compensations you laid out, seem reasonable to me, but it's hardly something you can live off for life!
It's basically only enough to cover lost income, medication, expenses for special treatment (like a physiotherapist or psychologist) and a little extra to soothe the pain a bit.

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Prince Philip 'drives like he's only one on road' and is 'notorious in Sandringham'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...e-hes-13882714
Such stories are inevitable to surface.

But an anonymous, former tenant? How far does this person score on the credibility scale? I'll be generous and give him three out of ten.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:16 PM
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But there are other people in the article who were named, and who had similar (but also unverifiable) stories to tell that tend to have a similar theme. And honestly, considering what we know about Prince Philip, those stories don't surprise me much. I'd be much more surprised to find out he was unfailingly courteous on the road, and had never had a close call.

I suppose that now these kinds of stories are coming out, others might come forward to either refute them or support them.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:08 PM
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At the risk of opening a discussion on an only remotely connected matter, the same point was made after Diana's death but, unfortunately, we are now 21 years on and the Queen and Duke still do not appear to wear seat belts. And if they do wear lap belts that just cannot be seen, it would be easy for the Palace to have put out a statement within the last couple of days while the latest kerfuffle has been ongoing, setting the record straight.

Lap belts are not a good alternative. They will not stop a real forward projection, hence the invention of the seat belts that are used today. Only fools drive without seatbelts. On their property or not. You can get seriously hurt anywhere. Diana died because of her foolish action or lack thereof. If your nation has a law that they must be used, how can the Head of State flaunt that.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:23 PM
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Why is everyone quick to blame the DoE’s age as the cause of accident? As far as we know, there is no result of the investigation yet.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:27 PM
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The passenger said in her interview they saw the Land Rover coming out of the junction some 150 yards away. Shouldn’t they be braking when they saw it pulling out? How can the Kia over turn a heavy armoured Land Rover? This woman better make sure she’s not saying anything inconsistent on her different media interviews or she might ruin her friend’s insurance claims.

Not sure how it is the the UK? Shouldn’t both parties be advised not to communicate privately and insurance companies are the ones who does all the sorting?
Fairweather said she saw him at the junction. The Kia had the right of way with a speed limit of 60 mph, nevertheless Fairweather said that when the Land Rover started moving her friend started braking.

SUVs and trucks are more susceptible to roll over because they are top heavy. The vehicle being armored may add to the rollover susceptibility if the armor added to the top-heaviness of the vehicle.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:48 PM
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Statement from @NorfolkPolice: We can confirm arrangements were made on Friday (18 January) to take a statement from the passenger [Emma Fairweather] involved in the collision. This will take place tomorrow (22 January)." #dukeofedinburgh

So @NorfolkPolice say they have been trying to reach Emma Fairweather, the passenger in the car, all weekend: “Further contact was attempted on a number of occasions over the weekend but unfortunately these were not successful.” #DukeofEdinburgh

Via Chris Ship Twitter

So the Duke has been declared the guilty party by many in the press without the police having even taken statements.
Yes, the pitchfork gang are out in great numbers. Not only is Prince Philip old but he, unlike his peers, should lose his licence immediately. Worse, we have people (anonymous of course) saying they are not surprised he had an accident because he is "notorious in Sandringham" etc. ad nauseum.

My only opinion of these cretins is that if you are too lazy to make a formal complaint to the police but have time to contact the media, you are a waste of space and you need to take ownership of your own road rage.

As to the whole "seatbelt issue", when Philip and Elizabeth learnt to drive, cars didn't have seatbelts and then the only time they were in a car in public they were in the back seat waving. They only drive on their estates and immediate environs. Her Majesty was seen driving without a seatbelt, was it that day or the day after? When you are in your ninties you make your own choices and, if I didn't think I know better, I'd say she was making a point and a damned good one at that.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:45 PM
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Yes well said Marg.

I bet many of us here remember cars without seatbelts and even cars with them rarely did people wear them ..there were no laws about it. I don't think we started wearing them until I was in my teens ... frankly that is one of those 'nanny laws' as far as I am concerned. Once you are an adult you should be able to decide if you wear a seatbelt or not...it's nothing to do with anyone else.


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Old 01-21-2019, 10:50 PM
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As to the whole "seatbelt issue", when Philip and Elizabeth learnt to drive, cars didn't have seatbelts and then the only time they were in a car in public they were in the back seat waving. They only drive on their estates and immediate environs. Her Majesty was seen driving without a seatbelt, was it that day or the day after? When you are in your ninties you make your own choices and, if I didn't think I know better, I'd say she was making a point and a damned good one at that.
There are photos going back years of the Queen driving while not wearing a seatbelt.

While there may not be many cars on the private roads on the estates, its not just cars that can cause accidents - road conditions and wild animals darting out in front of vehicles can also cause drivers to stop suddenly/skid/loose control of their cars.

Passengers in the back seats of cars are just as likely to be injured as those in the front seat (Diana and Dodi anyone) which is why rear seatbelts have been a feature for donkeys years now and why wearing them is mandatory in many countries.

Makes no difference if seatbelts weren't standard when the Queen & Duke learned to drive. Every other person in Britain had to get used to wearing them when they became mandatory.

If the Queen wasn't wearing a seat belt to make a point, I'm not sure what point she was trying to make.

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Yes well said Marg.

I bet many of us here remember cars without seatbelts and even cars with them rarely did people wear them ..there were no laws about it. I don't think we started wearing them until I was in my teens ... frankly that is one of those 'nanny laws' as far as I am concerned. Once you are an adult you should be able to decide if you wear a seatbelt or not...it's nothing to do with anyone else.


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Except that the cost of treating people injured in accidents is borne (in the UK) by the state through the NHS. If seat belts reduce the risk of injury and the severity of injury and therefore the costs to the state of treating and caring for the injured and cause no or little inconvenience to the wearer then the state has an interest in enforcing their use.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:08 PM
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Yes well said Marg.

I bet many of us here remember cars without seatbelts and even cars with them rarely did people wear them ..there were no laws about it. I don't think we started wearing them until I was in my teens ... frankly that is one of those 'nanny laws' as far as I am concerned. Once you are an adult you should be able to decide if you wear a seatbelt or not...it's nothing to do with anyone else.


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Really tell that to someone who was saved in an accident all because she was wearing a seat belt and the other car they weren't and they died......seat belts save lives even those that don't want to wear them. Being an adult I thinks means you do not just look out for yourself in driving a car but for the other drivers as well, it is called compassion the last time I checked.

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Yes, the pitchfork gang are out in great numbers. Not only is Prince Philip old but he, unlike his peers, should lose his licence immediately. Worse, we have people (anonymous of course) saying they are not surprised he had an accident because he is "notorious in Sandringham" etc. ad nauseum.

My only opinion of these cretins is that if you are too lazy to make a formal complaint to the police but have time to contact the media, you are a waste of space and you need to take ownership of your own road rage.

As to the whole "seatbelt issue", when Philip and Elizabeth learnt to drive, cars didn't have seatbelts and then the only time they were in a car in public they were in the back seat waving. They only drive on their estates and immediate environs. Her Majesty was seen driving without a seatbelt, was it that day or the day after? When you are in your ninties you make your own choices and, if I didn't think I know better, I'd say she was making a point and a damned good one at that.

Yes I would say that HM as much as I like her is making a darn good point, she is showing her arrogance and stupidity in NOT wearing a seat belt, why I ask, would it wrinkle her clothes or crease the dress ....that would be a very poor excuse to not wear a seat belt....after all if an accident, that seat belt would or could save her life....think it is worth wearing a seat belt ..... And HM and Prince Philip are 2 people that above every one else should be wearing seat belts, why, they are the role models for the country in everything......HM should be promoting seat belts usage as we all remember what happened to Diana and even with PP retired there is no reason on this earth not to wear a seat belt.....heck those seat belts should be in school buses and regular buses if I had my way......lives are more important then someone's ego.
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Yes well said Marg.

I bet many of us here remember cars without seatbelts and even cars with them rarely did people wear them ..there were no laws about it. I don't think we started wearing them until I was in my teens ... frankly that is one of those 'nanny laws' as far as I am concerned. Once you are an adult you should be able to decide if you wear a seatbelt or not...it's nothing to do with anyone else.


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Back when the queen was young, women drank when pregnant. Should they still be allowed? Yes many children were born to mothers who drank alcohol and were just fine. Does that mean saying drinking while pregnant is a nanny state?

Many of us rode bikes without helmets when we were kids. Most of us survived. Should kids not be required to wear helmets, because Most of them will not die from concussions?

That's the great thing about mankind, we have intelligence, and we learn. We learn how things work, and how to make them safer. We realize that you may drive every day of your life for 20 years and never get in an accident, but the one crash you get in, may be the one you fly through a windshield. You can control your own car, but you cant control everything else on the road. Just because people were ignorant of the dangers back in the day, and didn't see the need to wear seatbelts, doesn't make it intelligent now.

Its one thing when they are on their own estate. If they are on roads where there are no pedestrians, other cars and anything else. Still some risk, but they don't have to worry about anyone else but their own driving skill. A public road is another matter.

Royals are meant to be role models, it is part of their job. Not wearing seatbelts, and worse kids not having them on, is irresponsible at best.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:03 AM
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Back when the queen was young, women drank when pregnant. Should they still be allowed? Yes many children were born to mothers who drank alcohol and were just fine. Does that mean saying drinking while pregnant is a nanny state?

Many of us rode bikes without helmets when we were kids. Most of us survived. Should kids not be required to wear helmets, because Most of them will not die from concussions?
I'm sorry, but I don't really get your point. Where I live these things are still allowed. Are there places where children aren't allowed to ride without a helmet or where pregant women aren't allowed to drink? Especially the last one, are women supposed to have a pregnancy test before getting a drink? Drinking while pregnant might not always be a good idea, but it's still legal.
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For SOME elderly? For most of them! I’ve had to do this twice.

My sister, 1500 miles away, called to tell me that our mother had randomly driven to a town she did not know about 200 miles away. The police called my sister and said they would keep her there until she could be picked up. Both my sister and her husband then left work and drove 4 hours there and 4 hours back to bring her and her car home.

My feisty mother refused to consider giving up driving (she was nearly 85, and had always been a safe driver). So I had to fly down there and enforce it. Not pleasant, but we couldn’t be sure she wouldn’t do the same thing again, and we couldn’t be sure that she wouldn’t forget other things while driving, like not pulling out in front of cars that had the right of way, or driving through red lights or stop signs.

We felt that we would be responsible if she caused harm to herself or others by continuing to drive. And how many times would she have to be retrieved from strange towns far away?

My 90-year-old FIL turned left out of traffic and was t-boned by an oncoming car he didn’t see coming. No injuries, the cops drove him home, he hung up his keys for good, drank a glass of brandy, and called us. He didn’t need to be told his driving days were over. And his genius brain continued til the end of his life, but his eyesight and reflexes did not.

The Duke’s family needs to take the lead on this before something else happens. He will not be inconvenienced, and he will appear more dignified if he retires from driving with grace.

And it is not as if he has to walk or take the bus in the future, even without a driving license...
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... Are there places where children aren't allowed to ride without a helmet or where pregant women aren't allowed to drink? ...
Yes, Australia. It is mandatory for everyone - child or adult - to wear a helmet when riding a bike anywhere apart from your private property since 1990 (various years around the different states). There are a few exemptions for certain people and slightly different rules in different states (NT for instance only has helmets mandatory for children), but if the police stop you while riding a bike without a helmet, you can be fined.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...bicycle-helmet

And while drinking alcohol during pregnancy is not illegal, late last year Australia and New Zealand both agreed to a new law to make it compulsory for all alcohol producers to label their bottles with a warning about the dangers of drinking while pregnant. No date has been set for when they must comply by, but it should be by the end of this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ill-save-lives
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