The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #141  
Old 04-16-2021, 04:35 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Bellevue, United States
Posts: 1,388
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prinsara View Post
Elizabeth and Marina had the very picky and status-conscious Aunt Ellen for a mother, so finding matches up to her imperial approval was undoubtedly an undertaking.

Alice's daughters had different hurdles, but their mom having Princess Nicholas standards was not the issue. :)
Yes, that's a very good point. Olga's husband Paul of Yugoslavia always felt his mother-in-law was never quite satisfied with him. Apparently a Karadjordjevic wasn't up to her high standards. After all, his mother was a mere Demidoff, a subject of Ellen's grandfather, the Tsar of All the Russias. LOL!
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #142  
Old 04-16-2021, 05:30 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 1,726
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawin View Post
Yes, that's a very good point. Olga's husband Paul of Yugoslavia always felt his mother-in-law was never quite satisfied with him. Apparently a Karadjordjevic wasn't up to her high standards. After all, his mother was a mere Demidoff, a subject of Ellen's grandfather, the Tsar of All the Russias. LOL!
True, Olga wrote in her biography that her mother always wanted a throne for her daughter and that she was against the marriage with a Prince who will not sit on the throne and whose mother (Princess Aurora Demidoff) was a subject of her family...

She allowed the marriage only because he was enormously rich and that was her only satisfaction.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #143  
Old 04-16-2021, 06:11 PM
JR76's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Malmö, Sweden
Posts: 3,650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
They had to marry protestants and in the years after WWI there weren't a lot of protestants around who weren't Germans in the right age bracket. There were two British princes, for instance: Henry and George, who ended up marrying one of their first cousins anyway in Marina.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marengo View Post


I am not sure if marrying catholics was such a big problem for the Greeks. There were quite a few of catholic marriages in the family: Prince George with Marie Bonaparte, their daughter Eugenie firstly with Dominic Radziwill and secondly with the Prince of Torre e Tasso. Princess Elisabeth married Prince Hans-Veit of Toerring-Jettenbach, Princess Irene married the duke of Aosta, Prince Christopher married a Princess of Orléans and Princess Sofia married the king of Spain.

I can't see why a very distant possibility of succession rights int he UK would have influenced marital choices for Prince Philip's sisters. All the grooms-to-be seemed to be rather suitable candidates, three of them heirs of the great dynasties of Germany.
The pre-revolution Romanovs preferred Protestant bride's for their sons because it was to much of a hassle having to deal with the Catholic Church. This is also something we saw time and time again during the early 1900s during the negotiating of marriages between Balkan royals and Catholics. It all culminated with Margrethe Bourbon-Parma famously pounding her fist in frustration on the Pope's desk when she and Helen Romania tried to get the marriage between Anne & Michael approved.
Reply With Quote
  #144  
Old 04-16-2021, 08:23 PM
CyrilVladisla's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Conneaut, United States
Posts: 7,591
Philip Mountbatten and his sisters in October 1947
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/1202496651
Reply With Quote
  #145  
Old 04-16-2021, 08:45 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 1,726
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR76 View Post
The pre-revolution Romanovs preferred Protestant bride's for their sons because it was to much of a hassle having to deal with the Catholic Church.
They also preferred Orthodox born brides. There were quite few of them:

Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark (1870-1891)
Princess Maria of Greece and Denmark (1876-1940)
Princess Militza of Montenegro (1866-1951)
Princess Anastasia of Montenegro (1868-1929)
Princess Helena of Serbia (1884-1962)
Reply With Quote
  #146  
Old 04-16-2021, 08:45 PM
Queen Claude's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: USA, United States
Posts: 1,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin9 View Post
That’s true. It just struck me as....interesting I guess that they ALL married Germans.
The reason why Germans figure so prominently in discussions about marriages (and also in discussions about the ethnicity/nationality/heritage) of royals is because prior to unification there were 25+ Germanic political / royal entities that were classified as either kingdoms, grand duchies, duchies and principalities. If a royal house practiced equal marriages, either as a requirement, or by custom/preference, it was inevitable that they would be a lot of matches with German royals because of the numerous German states that existed up until the mid-to-late 19th century.

Some argue that there were eligible Scandinavian royals, which is true, but you are still talking about, at best, a pool of a dozen or so eligible Scandinavian royals versus a pool of dozens of eligible German royals.
Reply With Quote
  #147  
Old 04-16-2021, 09:18 PM
Prinsara's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: A place to grow, Canada
Posts: 1,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla View Post
Philip Mountbatten and his sisters in October 1947
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/1202496651
Interesting that they don't say where it was taken, but I suppose "Germany" would have been the safe answer.
Reply With Quote
  #148  
Old 04-16-2021, 09:23 PM
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 8,378
Wasn’t that the occasion when Philip’s sisters, not having seen him since he was a schoolboy/naval cadet before the war, commented on his likeness in manner, way of speaking, laugh etc to their father, the dead Prince Andrew? I think it was in Eade’s book ‘Young Philip’. It must have been a very joyful occasion.
Reply With Quote
  #149  
Old 04-16-2021, 10:34 PM
Prinsara's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: A place to grow, Canada
Posts: 1,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curryong View Post
Wasn’t that the occasion when Philip’s sisters, not having seen him since he was a schoolboy/naval cadet before the war, commented on his likeness in manner, way of speaking, laugh etc to their father, the dead Prince Andrew? I think it was in Eade’s book ‘Young Philip’. It must have been a very joyful occasion.
The book apparently says it was Sophie when he came for her wedding in April 1946, so this must have been a separate trip before his own.
Reply With Quote
  #150  
Old 04-17-2021, 01:08 AM
Stefan's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Esslingen, Germany
Posts: 5,437
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc23 View Post
True, Olga wrote in her biography that her mother always wanted a throne for her daughter and that she was against the marriage with a Prince who will not sit on the throne and whose mother (Princess Aurora Demidoff) was a subject of her family...

She allowed the marriage only because he was enormously rich and that was her only satisfaction.

So what did she think of the marriage of her second daughter to a mere Count from a mediatized Family?
__________________
Stefan



Reply With Quote
  #151  
Old 04-17-2021, 01:52 AM
fandesacs2003's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Athens, Angola
Posts: 4,890
I found this site about royal women. It has nice pics and good articles about DoE mother and 2 ho his sisters.
https://www.historyofroyalwomen.com/
Reply With Quote
  #152  
Old 04-17-2021, 02:53 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Manchester, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,468
Until the Orthodox Balkan countries gained independence and had their own monarchies, there weren't any other Orthodox royals for the Romanovs to marry anyway, and, after Peter the Great, they preferred foreign royal brides to Russian noblewomen.
Reply With Quote
  #153  
Old 04-17-2021, 03:15 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 2,802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
That was Berthold of Baden whose mother was Princess Marie Louise of Hannover. Christoph's grandmother was the Empress Friedrich

Sorry, I mixed him up with Georg Wilhelm of Hanover, whose paternal grandmother was Thyra of Denmark.
Reply With Quote
  #154  
Old 04-17-2021, 05:39 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 1,726
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
So what did she think of the marriage of her second daughter to a mere Count from a mediatized Family?
Well, she wasn't happy that he was a mediatized Count, but again he was the son of a Bavrian Princess who was immensely rich also with castles, fabrics, forests and mines in his property.

He was also good connected being a nephew of Queen Elisabeth of Belgium and former Crown Princess of Maria Gabriella of Bavaria.

Btw, the Toerring family was offered a Princely title on the occasion of marriage of his parents, Sophie and Hans Veit, but his family declined stating that they were proud being what they are and that that's enough.
Reply With Quote
  #155  
Old 04-17-2021, 05:44 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 1,726
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alison H View Post
Until the Orthodox Balkan countries gained independence and had their own monarchies, there weren't any other Orthodox royals for the Romanovs to marry anyway, and, after Peter the Great, they preferred foreign royal brides to Russian noblewomen.
True, here is what Prince Nikolai Romanov (1922-2014) said about marriage rules of the Russian Imperial family and the impossibility of marrying a Russian noblewoman:

"Russia, with its very Germanic notion of dynastic propriety, found itself accepting all the Almanach de Gotha rulings.
And so if some unfortunate Russian Grand Duke wanted to marry a Princess Obolensky, descendant of the Grand Dukes of Kiev, who reigned in Russia, at the time his Romanov ancestors were probably still lurking in the woods, draped in pelts or wading through the marshes of East Prussia or Pomerania, he would have had to change his plans.
That marriage would have been impossible, but an Austrian lady, say a daughter of an Illustrious Highness, Count von Harrach zu Rohrau und Thannhausen, lord of the county of Rohrau, Freiherr zu Prugg und Pürrhenstein, lord of Starkenbach, Jilenice, Sadowa & Storckow, would have been acceptable!"
Reply With Quote
  #156  
Old 04-17-2021, 05:50 AM
Stefan's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Esslingen, Germany
Posts: 5,437
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc23 View Post
T
That marriage would have been impossible, but an Austrian lady, say a daughter of an Illustrious Highness, Count von Harrach zu Rohrau und Thannhausen, lord of the county of Rohrau, Freiherr zu Prugg und Pürrhenstein, lord of Starkenbach, Jilenice, Sadowa & Storckow, would have been acceptable!"

But it was the same in Austria where marriages to members of mediatized Families where also not wanted. Only 2 took place during the time of the Monarchy.
__________________
Stefan



Reply With Quote
  #157  
Old 04-17-2021, 07:28 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: philadelphia, United States
Posts: 1,726
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
But it was the same in Austria where marriages to members of mediatized Families where also not wanted. Only 2 took place during the time of the Monarchy.
Which 2 marriages?
Reply With Quote
  #158  
Old 04-17-2021, 07:36 PM
Prinsara's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: A place to grow, Canada
Posts: 1,496
So about the sisters of the late Duke...

I was watching a clip of one of his great-nieces earlier, though I forget which one.

It does sound like Philip understandably kept in touch with everyone, and it seems that that part of the family admired him, too.
Reply With Quote
  #159  
Old 04-17-2021, 09:19 PM
Somebody's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 6,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prinsara View Post
So about the sisters of the late Duke...

I was watching a clip of one of his great-nieces earlier, though I forget which one.

It does sound like Philip understandably kept in touch with everyone, and it seems that that part of the family admired him, too.
It was princess Xenia, the younger sister of the Fürst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg who was present today. I don't think I had seen anything from her for several years but remember her wedding quite well.

'Uncle Philip' was the last one of his generation. The youngest of his sisters died 20 years ago; so he was the 'glue' that kept the wider family (that of their grandmothers!) - so the second cousins - together. Although the last large family meeting was 10 years ago... at the duke's 90th birthday.
Reply With Quote
  #160  
Old 04-18-2021, 01:27 AM
Stefan's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Esslingen, Germany
Posts: 5,437
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc23 View Post
Which 2 marriages?

Archduke Friedrich to Princess Isabella of Croy and Archduke Maximilian to Princess Franziska zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst
__________________

__________________
Stefan



Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cecilie grand duchess of hesse, duke of edinburgh, margarita princess of hohenlohe-langenburg, prince philip, prince philip's sisters, princess cecilie, princess christoph of hesse, princess george william of hanover, princess margarita, princess sophie, princess theodora, theodora margravine of baden


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Godparents royal_sophietje Royal Life and Lifestyle 228 03-22-2018 06:02 PM
Prince Albert & his sisters Paulina Princely Family of Monaco 147 02-10-2011 01:46 PM
Pavlos And Marie Chantal: Current Events December 2002 - October 2003 Julia Crown Prince Pavlos, Marie Chantal and Family 76 10-14-2003 08:40 PM




Popular Tags
america archie mountbatten-windsor asia asian baptism british british royal family british royals camilla's family camilla parker bowles carolin china china chinese ming dynasty asia asian emperor royalty qing chinese clarence house commonwealth countries crown jewels customs daisy doge of venice duchess of sussex duke of sussex elizabeth ii family tree fashion and style genetics george vi gradenigo gustaf vi adolf harry and meghan hello! highgrove history hochberg house of windsor jack brooksbank japan japan history jewellery kensington palace king edward vii king juan carlos książ castle liechtenstein lili mountbatten-windsor line of succession list of rulers luxembourg monarchist movements monarchists mongolia pless politics prince harry queen consort queen elizabeth ii queen victoria royal ancestry royalty of taiwan speech st edward suthida swedish queen taiwan thai royal family tradition unfinished portrait united states united states of america welsh


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:48 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises
×