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Old 07-22-2016, 10:23 PM
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i think sophie was the closest sister to prince philip .
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I always liked that Sophie was nicknamed 'Tiny' even though she was the tallest sister. haha
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Old 07-23-2016, 12:27 AM
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Considering the age difference and by 7 he was at school in the UK and living with his grandmother (and Uncles) he wasn't likely close to any. But Sophie and Cecile are closest in age (7 and 10 older) so likely closest. No surprise he is very close to the Mountbattan cousins He and David (his father George was Philip's guardian) were 2 years apart. He went to naval college with Philip and was his best man. Sisterly he likely closer to Louis' daughters. Unfortunately due to his mother's hospitalization and dad's estrangement, Philip was basically raised a Mountbatten, and that bond reflects later in his and his kids' lives. Iver (David's son) is Louise's godfather and of Charles/Louis/Knatchbulls is well known.

He did spend 2 terms at school in Germany thanks to his BIl Berthold (Theodora's husband) but with the rise of Naziism he moved back, the head of his German school founded Gordonstoun. Not sure if he would have seen her at all while in Germany. Berthold was one of 2 Nazi BILs.
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Old 07-23-2016, 01:47 AM
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All Prince Philip's sisters and brothers in law were members of the Nazi Party by the later 1930's. It was expected of prominent members of German society, and there were disadvantages in not being members. However, I think that Sophie's husband Christoph was a far keener Nazi than the others. Berthold Baden after all came from a liberal family.

According to the book 'Young Prince Philip' by Philip Eade Prince Philip spent most of his holidays until war loomed, in Germany, both with his grandmother Victoria in visiting the Hesses at Wolfsgarten, where there were large family holidays, also at Salem where Berthold taught Philip how to fish, as well as regular visits to his other sisters.

He did spend shorter holidays with the Louis Mountbattens at Ashdean, their country home, but Edwina was often away travelling and Dickie Mountbatten didn't really become mentor to Philip until after his brother George's death. They became closer and saw more of each other in 1939 and occasionally during the war.
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Old 07-23-2016, 08:23 AM
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Were they allowed to attend Queen Elisabeth II's Coronation ?
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Old 07-23-2016, 09:06 AM
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Were they allowed to attend Queen Elisabeth II's Coronation ?
all his living sisters and their spouses attended the coronation but not the wedding
this is the list of his sisters and their families who attended the coronation :
Margrave Berthold and Margravine Theodora of Baden
Hereditary Prince Maximilian of Baden
Prince Gottfried and Princess Margarita of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Princess Beatrix of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Prince and Princess George William of Hanover
Princess Christina Margarethe of Hesse
Princess Dorothea of Hesse .
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:32 PM
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One thing I've always wondered about is, what are Prince Philip's memories of Prince Andrea, his father? Prince Philip didn't seem to see much of his father in the years of his youth, before the war and after his mother was institutionalised in a clinic. That event really signalled the break-up of the family as Philip's sisters married and Prince Andrew went off to Monaco, where he lived from then on.

Andrea would sometimes turn up at the family holidays at Wolfgarten and there were family weddings, christenings, of course, but, although he was consulted about Philip's upbringing, education and so-forth, he abdicated much of the responsibility to George Milford Haven and his daughters.

Biographies of Philip don't go into his relationship with his father much at all. There's a throwaway anecdote I read somewhere of him visiting Andrea's longterm live-in lover just after the war (his father was then dead, of course) and him getting on well with her. However, biographers seem to have concentrated more on Philip's relationship with his mother, Alice. Andrea/Andrew seems in many ways to be the forgotten parent in Philip's story.
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:42 PM
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Prince Philip spent the Christmas holidays of 1934-1935 in Germany. He stayed with his sister Princess Sophie and her husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse.
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Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark also used to visit the annual Windsor Horse Show every May.

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Before their weddings, were any of Prince Philip's sisters considered as a possible wife for any non-German Royals? Was there a specific reason they all married German Royals?
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Before their weddings, were any of Prince Philip's sisters considered as a possible wife for any non-German Royals? Was there a specific reason they all married German Royals?
With few male members of the ruling houses available for marriage (the Swedish & Danish princes preferred non-royal brides, Spain was in turmoil even before the monarchy fell, the Balkan Crown princes chose Romanian and Italian brides, UK princes married British nobles except for George to their cousin Marina and with Astrid & Märtha snatching the Crown Princes of Belgium and Norway) marrying German princelings was the only way for them to contract equal marriages. Since they were all descended from both Queen Victoria and her siblings and Christian and Louise of Denmark they'd basically known each other all their lives and once the threat of expropriation had passed the German royals were still both wealthy and very suitable matches.

Except for Marina the only engagement between a Greek princess and a member of a ruling house was that between her sister Olga and the future King Fredrik of Denmark. The engagement was quietly broken off and Olga instead married Paul of Yugoslavia.

At the time even Crown Princess Juliana of the Netherlands had a hard time making a suitable match which in the end lead to her mother having to compromise on the rather strict demands she had set out regarding her future son-in-law for Juliana to find a husband at all.
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Before their weddings, were any of Prince Philip's sisters considered as a possible wife for any non-German Royals? Was there a specific reason they all married German Royals?
I recall from the Hugo Vickers biography of Princess Alice that there was an attempt for the two oldest girls to find husbands in the UK. They spent time in London with their grandmother, Victoria Milford Haven, and their aunt Lady Louise Mountbatten acted as a chaperone. However, being from an exiled royal family and not having a great fortune, they weren't able to attract any suitors. This would have been a time when most aristocrats were marrying wealthy American heiresses. In a strange twist, it was Louise who ended up finding a husband (Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf of Sweden).
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In this photo the Duke of Edinburgh with his mother, father and sisters.

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One thing I've always wondered about is, what are Prince Philip's memories of Prince Andrea, his father? Prince Philip didn't seem to see much of his father in the years of his youth, before the war and after his mother was institutionalised in a clinic. That event really signalled the break-up of the family as Philip's sisters married and Prince Andrew went off to Monaco, where he lived from then on.

Andrea would sometimes turn up at the family holidays at Wolfgarten and there were family weddings, christenings, of course, but, although he was consulted about Philip's upbringing, education and so-forth, he abdicated much of the responsibility to George Milford Haven and his daughters.

Biographies of Philip don't go into his relationship with his father much at all. There's a throwaway anecdote I read somewhere of him visiting Andrea's longterm live-in lover just after the war (his father was then dead, of course) and him getting on well with her. However, biographers seem to have concentrated more on Philip's relationship with his mother, Alice. Andrea/Andrew seems in many ways to be the forgotten parent in Philip's story.
"Strikingly less bitter than one would expect", was the impression I got from reading Young Prince Philip. It is important to remember he had both his parents until he was about 9, and both Alice and Andrea seem to have spoiled him due to being the baby and the only son, too, to the point where his sisters got annoyed. Andrea wasn't doing very much in Paris, so I imagine Philip saw more of him than most royal children do.

After Andrea died suddenly and left him nothing at all, he still took his clothes and had them altered and wore them, and is probably still wearing his signet ring. It's not the sort of behavior you'd expect towards someone who'd seemingly drifted out of your life. Alice didn't seem to harbor resentment towards Andrea, either, and even wanted to live with him again, so perhaps that helped.

I think it was Sophie (it may have been one of the other two) who told how amazed she was when Philip grew up and she realized he had all the mannerisms of their father. Whether that's blood or memory, who can say?
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In this photo the Duke of Edinburgh with his mother, father and sisters.

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Not the happiest family portrait - but I assume they were expected to look 'serious' as is still customary in some cultures.
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After Andrea died suddenly and left him nothing at all, he still took his clothes and had them altered and wore them, and is probably still wearing his signet ring. It's not the sort of behavior you'd expect towards someone who'd seemingly drifted out of your life. Alice didn't seem to harbor resentment towards Andrea, either, and even wanted to live with him again, so perhaps that helped.

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I think Philip is too pragmatic to let bitterness rule his life... but possibly he took his father's clothes becuase being short of money himself, they were clothes that he could make use of...
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Old 08-19-2020, 01:29 PM
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We don't hear that much about Charles' paternal cousins - and I don't see much evidence of a close relationship with them either (although there might be some behind the scenes - and there have been a few visits to Langenburg Castle). Nonetheless, I decided to list them (and their children and grandchildren); to get a better overview of the German side of the current British royal family.

By Philip's eldest sister Margarita (married to prince Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenburg) - all but one passed away:
1.2. Prince/Fürst Kraft Alexander Ernst Ludwig Georg Emich (25 June 1935 – 16 March 2004) married princess Charlotte of Cro˙ (b. 1938; married 1965 - divorced 1990); married secondly Irma Pospesch (b. 1946)
1.2.1. Princess Cécile Marita Dorothea of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 16 December 1967) married Cyril Amédéo de Commarque, comte de Commarque (b. 1970; married 1998; divorced 2008); no issue.
1.2.2. Philipp Gottfried Alexander, Prince/Fürst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 20 January 1970) married Saskia Binder (b. 1973; married 2003)
1.2.2.1. Max Leopold, Hereditary prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
1.2.2.2. Prince Gustav of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
1.2.2.3. Princess Marita of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
1.2.3. Princess Xenia Margarita Anne of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 8 July 1972) married Max Soltmann (married 2005)
1.2.3.1. Ferdinand Soltmann (b. 2005) [note: only? modern-day descendant of queen Victoria with haemophilia]
1.2.3.2. Louisa Marei Charlotte Soltmann (b. 6 Apr 2008)

1.3. Princess Beatrix Alice Marie Melita Margarete of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (10 June 1936 – 15 November 1997)

1.4. Prince Georg Andreas Heinrich of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (born 24 November 1938) married Princess Luise Pauline Amelie Vibeke Beatrix of Schönburg-Waldenburg (b. 1943; married 1969)
1.4.1. Princess Katharina Clementine Beatrix of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 21 Nov 1972) married prince Nikolaus Carl Ferdinand of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b. 1970; married 2002)
1.4.1.1. Princess Laetitia Antoinette Julia Tatjana Felicitas of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b. 2 Dec 2003)
1.4.1.2. Princess Alexia Natalie Luise Tatjana Maresa of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b. 20 Jun 2006)
1.4.2. Princess Tatiana Luise of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 10 Feb 1975) married Hubertus Stephan (b. 1970; married 2010; died 2018)
1.4.2.1. Carl Stephan (b. 2012)
1.4.2.2. Wolf Thomas Dres Stephan (b. 2013)

1.5. Prince Rupprecht Sigismund Philipp Ernst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (7 April 1944 – 8 April 1978)

1.6. Prince Albrecht Wolfgang Christoph of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (7 April 1944 – 23 April 1992) married Maria-Hildegard Fischer (b. 1933; married 1976)
1.6.1. Prince Ludwig of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 21 Apr 1976)

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I guess I have a curious streak about me when it comes to family relationships. So, my question is this: have you read anywhere that any of Prince Philips family ever visit with Prince Philip in England or whether the Duke leaves England to visit in Canada?

I am interested in knowing whether they are the royal family or not, what kind of relationship does everyone have and if there are visits within families, such as picnics, tea parties, etc. Have you read about these relationships anywhere? In other words, do any of these people get together for a game of cards or movie night with popcorn?
Hello, little late to answer this _ yes I believe Margaret and Sophie and their children visited in England. Philip visited in Germany . I remember that the Duke received a tongue lashing for taken one of his children with to Germany. It was probably Edward, to visit his sisters. This would have been late 1960 _ 1970,s. But family get together in France would have been easier and missed.

I have seen photos of Philip and Edward at Sophia’s funeral and Edward at the funerals of his German cousins as well. I think that he represents the Queen and the Duke at these family events now.
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Two of his sister married really young; especially Sophie. I wonder whether they were all extremely desperate to leave their rather instable family home. Their mother had just been put into an sanatorium in Switzerland at that point.

Princess Sophie (born 26 June 1914) married on 15 December 1930 - aged 16(!)
Princess Cecilie (born 16 November 1911) married on 2 February 1931 - aged 19
Princess Margarita (born 18 April 1905) married on 20 April 1931 - aged 26
Princess Theodora (born 30 May 1906) married on 17 August 1931 - aged 25
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Yes, and Sophie became engaged (to Christoph Hesse) at 15 and I believe was the first sister married. I’ve always thought that Alice’s incarceration at the clinic was the final death knell to her and Andrew’s marriage (though there were great strains before) and after that there really wasn’t any home to speak of, at least not for Philip, and his sisters made their own lives as best they could.
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