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I think William was given a house there a few years back.
If I remember right, he was given the use of a house on Balmoral grounds while he was at St. Andrews. Kind of like a bolt hole to go to and get away when he needed it.
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This month, Elizabeth II becomes the longest reigning monarch in British history. Celebrate her life on YouTube:
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Starkey - what an idiot. The Victorian Age was important because of what happened during her reign rather than because of her exclusively. Not all Victoria's choices were sound in hindsight. And in my opinion, I value Elizabeth all the more that she seems miles more emotionally stable than Victoria was. Imagine Victoria's temperament on the throne in our times
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Starkey SPECIALISES in 'controversial'.. No-one would pay him one iota of attention otherwise...
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Does anyone from Seattle know when/where the celebration will be?
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Old 09-01-2015, 09:40 AM
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^^^ try Monarchist League ‏@monarchist on Twitter or this website has some info Reign Celebration | The Monarchist League of Canada

Spokesmen for Western Canada maybe able to help

Keith Roy, Senior Spokesman in the four Western provinces, VANCOUVER - 604-454-4219 - homes@keithroy.com

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Old 09-01-2015, 09:53 AM
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The Woman under the Crown: Key Films from the Reign-
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Old 09-01-2015, 12:04 PM
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Very nice coin. To show her over the span of her reign
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Old 09-01-2015, 12:45 PM
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Starkey SPECIALISES in 'controversial'.. No-one would pay him one iota of attention otherwise...
Heu... Seen the 'moderated' comments a LOT of people have paid attention and indeed, when Her Majesty ends her Reign, she will not only have been the longest reigning but probably also the most 'flat profiled' one. Her longetivity has brought her a place in history but I can go a long way with Mr Starkey, to be honest.

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Starkey - what an idiot. The Victorian Age was important because of what happened during her reign rather than because of her exclusively. Not all Victoria's choices were sound in hindsight. And in my opinion, I value Elizabeth all the more that she seems miles more emotionally stable than Victoria was. Imagine Victoria's temperament on the throne in our times
You used the word by yourself: in hindsight. You comment on Queen Victoria, with all what we know thanks to her own epistles and that of her contemporaries. To the public she was a stone-faced Queen. That is not different to Queen Elizabeth II. Prime Minister Cameron by accident revealed that Her Majesty purred like a cat. Prrrr Prrr.... But in public she simply showed her sphinx face. No one knows how she really is, maybe her diaries will tell. So the comparison between someone who is death over a century and a lady alive and kicking right now is not very fair I think.
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David Starkey is a very rude, ignorant and controversial man.

He has criticized the Queen several times before. In 2007 he accused her of being a poorly educated philistine, and he has called Diana sad, hysterical, self abusing and extraordinarily destructive.

Historian's Nazi slur on Queen | UK | News | Daily Express

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Old 09-01-2015, 06:09 PM
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But in public she simply showed her sphinx face. No one knows how she really is, maybe her diaries will tell. So the comparison between someone who is death over a century and a lady alive and kicking right now is not very fair I think.
If the rumors are true that HM is very witty and excellent at mimicry, why would it be so hard to believe that when she steps out the door with her hat, gloves and handbag, she's in Queen mode. She's fulfilled her role with grace, dignity and rarely, if ever, steps out of line of what a regal Queen should be. We have had glimpses here and there over her reign that she enjoys life, family and children but for the most part, the roles of wife, mother, grandmother and great grandmother are her doggedly guarded roles she keeps for private. She gives so much to the world, can we really begrudge her a private side?

Writers like those that fill their articles with "I can reveal" and "I have been told" and such idioms thrown here and there in their articles tip me off to a person that is self aggrandizing and puts himself/herself a couple notches up on a pedestal with basically cotton candy to support them. Exaggerations and innuendo and statements that stretch the truth are just tools to make themselves of more importance than they are and rarely care about the backlash on the people they talk about. The tabloids love them though and those that live to rant in the comments section cackle with glee but when it boils down to it, they actually don't mean a thing. Actions speak far louder than words and if you ask me, 63+ years of a reign will speak for itself over the years and in the history books.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:30 PM
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David Starkey is a very rude, ignorant and controversial man.

He has criticized the Queen several times before. In 2007 he accused her of being a poorly educated philistine, and he has called Diana sad, hysterical, self abusing and extraordinarily destructive.

Historian's Nazi slur on Queen | UK | News | Daily Express
Well, Mr Starkey is clearly provocative and direct but that of course does not rule out he might actually be pretty accurately close to reality. Who knows...

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[...] She gives so much to the world […]
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:19 PM
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Like what ?
Herself. For 63+ years she's never really missed a day of work, very rarely has called in sick. Has earned the respect of world leaders and kings and queens and the common people globally and has done so without being controversial, self aggrandizing and the only high horse she's ever got on, had 4 legs and eats hay and apples. She's been a beacon of stability through decades of changes and chaos. She has the rare ability at almost 90 years of age to light up a room with just her smile which, to me, is something one cannot fake.

One difference I notice right off between Victoria and Elizabeth is the stamina to keep on keeping on no matter what. Perhaps Elizabeth has been blessed to have Philip by her side for so many years but I wouldn't ever think that when the time does come and Philip is no longer there, she'd not pull the blankets over her head and shut the world out for as long as Victoria did. Her sense of duty will be what keeps her going as long as she possibly can.

Elizabeth is a role model for being a Queen Regnant whereas to be honest, Victoria leaned on her Albert and when she lost him, her world fell apart. Its just how she dealt with things and we all deal with things in our own way and in our own time. I just think Elizabeth is made of sturdier stuff than Victoria was.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:18 AM
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I would like to make clear that I do not want to downplay anyone, but here someone is praised for 63+ years. It looks like it is an achievement, while it is not. It is the only job which ends by death (or an own choice). Maybe another person would have liked to work for 63 years too but tja... there is retirement and there is the company's back door...

Her Majesty's very own father, King George VI, had a relatively short Reign. Her uncle Edward VIII had a very short Reign. I dare to say that these two gentlemen have left more impression, to the positive and to the negative, than Queen Elizabeth II in her ultra-long Reign. It is very well possible that -despite the longitude- the Queen will soon be forgotten, like her 100+ years old mother and her sister went surprisingly quick out of collective memory. That is the point Mr Starkey wanted to make and I think he is right.

I dare to say that the Prince of Wales has left more "footprint" than his ever-reigning mother. His disastrous marriage with the previous Princess of Wales, his many activities, his tentacles which spread through all layers of society (the black spider memo's) and his public recorded extramarital affair to the current Princess of Wales, pardon... Duchess of Cornwall, will cause that he will have more profile in history, despite his prospect on a shorter Reign.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:29 AM
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I would like to make clear that I do not want to downplay anyone, but here someone is praised for 63+ years. It looks like it is an achievement, while it is not. It is the only job which ends by death (or an own choice). Maybe another person would have liked to work for 63 years too but tja... there is retirement and there is the company's back door...

Her Majesty's very own father, King George VI, had a relatively short Reign. Her uncle Edward VIII had a very short Reign. I dare to say that these two gentlemen have left more impression, to the positive and to the negative, than Queen Elizabeth II in her ultra-long Reign. It is very well possible that -despite the longitude- the Queen will soon be forgotten, like her 100+ years old mother and her sister went surprisingly quick out of collective memory. That is the point Mr Starkey wanted to make and I think he is right.

I dare to say that the Prince of Wales has left more "footprint" than his ever-reigning mother. His disastrous marriage with the previous Princess of Wales, his many activities, his tentacles which spread through all layers of society (the black spider memo's) and his public recorded extramarital affair to the current Princess of Wales, pardon... Duchess of Cornwall, will cause that he will have more profile in history, despite his prospect on a shorter Reign.

I understand what your saying and agree with most of it. I think the Queen is loved by people and it won't be till after she dies that people will think along your lines. I don't want to appear to be dismissing the Queens work over 60 years and the good she has done but you make some very good points
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I would like to make clear that I do not want to downplay anyone, but here someone is praised for 63+ years. It looks like it is an achievement, while it is not. It is the only job which ends by death (or an own choice). Maybe another person would have liked to work for 63 years too but tja... there is retirement and there is the company's back door...

Her Majesty's very own father, King George VI, had a relatively short Reign. Her uncle Edward VIII had a very short Reign. I dare to say that these two gentlemen have left more impression, to the positive and to the negative, than Queen Elizabeth II in her ultra-long Reign. It is very well possible that -despite the longitude- the Queen will soon be forgotten, like her 100+ years old mother and her sister went surprisingly quick out of collective memory. That is the point Mr Starkey wanted to make and I think he is right.

I dare to say that the Prince of Wales has left more "footprint" than his ever-reigning mother. His disastrous marriage with the previous Princess of Wales, his many activities, his tentacles which spread through all layers of society (the black spider memo's) and his public recorded extramarital affair to the current Princess of Wales, pardon... Duchess of Cornwall, will cause that he will have more profile in history, despite his prospect on a shorter Reign.
Well the Charles will be remembered because of scandals in his personal life while Queen Elizabeth will not remember because they simply had a "boring" marriage for so many years with her Philip . Allow me to disagree. The queen will be remembered for all these years (do not know how many) who reigns with devotion to duty. A Queen who won the respect not only in the country but all the world, I dare say. Sometimes don't need the scandals to stay in history

I agree maybe some old photo with the old Kings and Queens . Besides Elizabeth know not only the fathers but and the grandfathers of the now Kings.

" This helicopter entrance"

What memories must have the queen all these years. And what stories from all those leaders she met
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Late next Wednesday afternoon, there will have to be yet another amendment to the royal record books. And, this time, it’s the big one.

On September 9, the Queen’s reign will surpass the 63 years, seven months and two days that Queen Victoria sat on the throne.

Elizabeth II is already our longest-lived monarch, enjoying history’s most enduring royal marriage.

The first reigning monarch to fly in a helicopter, visit every single realm and change a puncture (among umpteen other firsts), Her Majesty will still not be the world’s longest-reigning monarch. That honour, for now, rests with King Bhumibol of Thailand.
Read more: Queen Victoria was not a greater monarch than Elizabeth II says ROBERT HARDMAN | Daily Mail Online
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Herself. For 63+ years she's never really missed a day of work, very rarely has called in sick. Has earned the respect of world leaders and kings and queens and the common people globally and has done so without being controversial, self aggrandizing and the only high horse she's ever got on, had 4 legs and eats hay and apples. She's been a beacon of stability through decades of changes and chaos. She has the rare ability at almost 90 years of age to light up a room with just her smile which, to me, is something one cannot fake.

One difference I notice right off between Victoria and Elizabeth is the stamina to keep on keeping on no matter what. Perhaps Elizabeth has been blessed to have Philip by her side for so many years but I wouldn't ever think that when the time does come and Philip is no longer there, she'd not pull the blankets over her head and shut the world out for as long as Victoria did. Her sense of duty will be what keeps her going as long as she possibly can.

Elizabeth is a role model for being a Queen Regnant whereas to be honest, Victoria leaned on her Albert and when she lost him, her world fell apart. Its just how she dealt with things and we all deal with things in our own way and in our own time. I just think Elizabeth is made of sturdier stuff than Victoria was.
beautifully put. These are my thoughts as well when it comes to Her Majesty.


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I would like to make clear that I do not want to downplay anyone, but here someone is praised for 63+ years. It looks like it is an achievement, while it is not. It is the only job which ends by death (or an own choice). Maybe another person would have liked to work for 63 years too but tja... there is retirement and there is the company's back door...

Her Majesty's very own father, King George VI, had a relatively short Reign. Her uncle Edward VIII had a very short Reign. I dare to say that these two gentlemen have left more impression, to the positive and to the negative, than Queen Elizabeth II in her ultra-long Reign. It is very well possible that -despite the longitude- the Queen will soon be forgotten, like her 100+ years old mother and her sister went surprisingly quick out of collective memory. That is the point Mr Starkey wanted to make and I think he is right.

I dare to say that the Prince of Wales has left more "footprint" than his ever-reigning mother. His disastrous marriage with the previous Princess of Wales, his many activities, his tentacles which spread through all layers of society (the black spider memo's) and his public recorded extramarital affair to the current Princess of Wales, pardon... Duchess of Cornwall, will cause that he will have more profile in history, despite his prospect on a shorter Reign.
That's an interesting take, but I'm not sure about any of that. One of the main reasons why many people aren't looking forward to the next reign, is because The Queen has done such a beautiful job as Monarch, they are afraid of the very controversial Prince of Wales taking over. Many people don't see the light at the end of the tunnel after Elizabeth's reign.

Although, I think Charles will make a good King, mainly because of the example set by his mother, Charles won't have a long reign and won't be the well respected, admired and inspiring Monarch as his mother has become.
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Herself. For 63+ years she's never really missed a day of work, very rarely has called in sick. Has earned the respect of world leaders and kings and queens and the common people globally and has done so without being controversial, self aggrandizing and the only high horse she's ever got on, had 4 legs and eats hay and apples. She's been a beacon of stability through decades of changes and chaos. She has the rare ability at almost 90 years of age to light up a room with just her smile which, to me, is something one cannot fake.

One difference I notice right off between Victoria and Elizabeth is the stamina to keep on keeping on no matter what. Perhaps Elizabeth has been blessed to have Philip by her side for so many years but I wouldn't ever think that when the time does come and Philip is no longer there, she'd not pull the blankets over her head and shut the world out for as long as Victoria did. Her sense of duty will be what keeps her going as long as she possibly can.

Elizabeth is a role model for being a Queen Regnant whereas to be honest, Victoria leaned on her Albert and when she lost him, her world fell apart. Its just how she dealt with things and we all deal with things in our own way and in our own time. I just think Elizabeth is made of sturdier stuff than Victoria was.
Great post, as usual.

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