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Old 03-04-2021, 10:06 AM
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They would have tested for heart problems if he had chest pains.. I suspect that this came up when Charles went to see him. Perhaps hearing that he had heart issues again, upset him a lot....
I imagine that you are right but regardless of whether Philip was upset, decisions about treatment options and whether to even go forward with treatments are especially complicated for people of advanced age. The staff probably wanted a member of the family present when they discussed it with Philip.

Like Tirilschatz, these types of situations have arisen in my family. I don't know what the policy is in the UK but in the US, the considerations would be whether such a procedure would improve the quality of the person's life. In my experience, a successful angioplasty makes a person more comfortable and alleviates pain.
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Old 03-04-2021, 10:29 AM
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Glad to hear that the procedure was a success and I hope that he has a full recovery.
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Both the Leader (Jacob Rees-Mogg) and Shadow Leader (Valarie Vaz) of the House have wished Prince Philip for a well and smooth recovery in Thursday 4th March Business of the House at the Commons Chamber.
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Our thoughts are with our gracious sovereign and we wish Prince Philip a speedy recovery.
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:12 PM
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I imagine that you are right but regardless of whether Philip was upset, decisions about treatment options and whether to even go forward with treatments are especially complicated for people of advanced age. The staff probably wanted a member of the family present when they discussed it with Philip.

Like Tirilschatz, these types of situations have arisen in my family. I don't know what the policy is in the UK but in the US, the considerations would be whether such a procedure would improve the quality of the person's life. In my experience, a successful angioplasty makes a person more comfortable and alleviates pain.
Exactly. That makes sense: at his age is most likely wasn't a given that they would decide on this treatment; so having his eldest son present to discuss such an important medical decision makes sense.
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Old 03-04-2021, 06:03 PM
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They would have tested for heart problems if he had chest pains.. I suspect that this came up when Charles went to see him. Perhaps hearing that he had heart issues again, upset him a lot....
Not all heart problems show up with testing, mine certainly didn't then I had an angiagram just to be sure and ended up with three stents in the widowmaker. Some things are just not obvious and, had his heart problem shown up during initial testing, I am sure that would have meant a much earlier hospital move as it's would be pointless fixing a UTI or even pneumonia only to have him taken out by a heart problem.
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Old 03-04-2021, 06:09 PM
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To do a procedure on him must mean they consider him to be at a certain level of shape and stability, correct? They don't do these things when someone is exceptionally frail or there is no point. In a way, it's a positive sign, especially for 99. Go Philip.
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Old 03-04-2021, 07:21 PM
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To do a procedure on him must mean they consider him to be at a certain level of shape and stability, correct? They don't do these things when someone is exceptionally frail or there is no point. In a way, it's a positive sign, especially for 99. Go Philip.
Prince Philip seems less frail than a lot of 79-year olds.

I wonder if Charles was there to convince his father to undergo the procedure? I can imagine Philip being reluctant at his age, but if the Drs were pretty up on a positive outcome, someone from the family might have been called in to convince him.
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Old 03-04-2021, 10:59 PM
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Not sure Charles would have been chosen to do so.

I agree he may be reluctant to have a procedure at his age. No matter how stoic he is he will know the risks. But Charles and him have never been the closest unless things have changed over the years.

I'd think either his wife or even Anne would better convince him to do so.
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Old 03-05-2021, 05:40 AM
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Ah, but there's the rub. We only hear about the relationship between members of the BRF from gossip rags. There may be a deep well of respect between the father and son who have worked the greater part of their lives to support "Cabbage" and "Mama".
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Old 03-05-2021, 05:55 AM
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All my respect for the Doctors who operated a 99 years old Royal.
Our King Leopold III died in 1985 from a Heart Operation in the USA.
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Old 03-05-2021, 06:21 AM
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All my respect for the Doctors who operated a 99 years old Royal.
Our King Leopold III died in 1985 from a Heart Operation in the USA.
Léopold III died on 25 September 1983 from a heart attack. This occurred a few hours after emergency heart surgery (coronary bridging) at Louvain University hospital in Brussels. The medical team did have American doctors as well as Belgian ones, but the king did not die in the USA.
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Appatently the Palace just announced that the Duke has been retransfered to the first hospital.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:01 AM
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This isn't good news.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:11 AM
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I think it is - St Bart's has got the specialist cardiac unit, so they clearly don't feel that he needs to be there any more. OK, he's not well enough to go home yet, but I'm hopeful that it's a positive sign that he's been moved back.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:28 AM
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Prince Philip has been moved back to King Edward VII's Hospital following a "successful procedure" for a pre-existing heart condition.

In a statement, Buckingham Palace said: "Following The Duke of Edinburgh's successful procedure at St Bartholomew's Hospital on Wednesday, His Royal Highness has been transferred to King Edward VII's Hospital this morning. The Duke is expected to remain in hospital for continuing treatment for a number of days."

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Old 03-05-2021, 10:21 AM
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It's good news. He doesn't need the specialists and King Edward's is much smaller, reducing the risk of infection. Go Philip.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:28 AM
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Personally, I think Charles and Philip’s relationship has improved since the 1990s but even if it hasn't, the British royal family strongly believes in primogeniture, in fact it is sort of their thing

However, I hope that no one had to convince or pressure Prince Philip to undergo the procedure if he was reluctant. I think it is better all around if medical decisions are based on what the patient wants and needs without any pressure. I suspect Charles was there to offer emotional support or help Philip make a decision, especially if Philip infection was causing disorientation or confusion.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:45 AM
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There's a loosely similar story in my own family. My great-grandfather was not as old as Philip (but past ninety and this was forty years ago or so), but ill with kidney disease and some subsequent heart failure, very uncomfortable, convinced his time was done, and stoically fine with that.

His sons and my father convinced him to just take a diuretic pill, not being on any other medication, amazingly. He agreed, did it, rapidly felt better, and lived some more.

Sometimes you need a little consultation, especially when you're not feeling great.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:58 AM
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Personally, I think Charles and Philip’s relationship has improved since the 1990s but even if it hasn't, the British royal family strongly believes in primogeniture, in fact it is sort of their thing

However, I hope that no one had to convince or pressure Prince Philip to undergo the procedure if he was reluctant. I think it is better all around if medical decisions are based on what the patient wants and needs without any pressure. I suspect Charles was there to offer emotional support or help Philip make a decision, especially if Philip infection was causing disorientation or confusion.
I suspect that Philp was upset and perhaps confused, and was perhaps reluctant to have more treatment.. and the queen isn't alble to go and see him. Charles is next in line.....so yes I think he was there to support and perhaps advise his fathter that he should have some treatment....
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:35 AM
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There's a loosely similar story in my own family. My great-grandfather was not as old as Philip (but this was forty years ago or so), but ill with kidney disease, very uncomfortable, convinced his time was done, and stoically fine with that.

His sons and my father convinced him to just take a diuretic pill. He agreed, did it, rapidly felt better, and lived some more.

Sometimes you need a little consultation, especially when you're not feeling great.
I'm glad that your great-grandfather was able to live comfortably after receiving treatment. I certainly did not mean to imply that there was improper pressure on Philip. I was thinking of instances where the family insists on all sorts of treatment when they understandably don't want to let go. I don't think that happened here and I hope it doesn't. Philip deserves to have his decisions respected.
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