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Old 04-12-2021, 12:38 PM
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I knew the half of the this, literally, but somehow not the other half. Quite a "wow" moment. https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyalArja...70096505257985
And he was the last person with the Hessian mitochondrial DNA, if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 04-12-2021, 12:44 PM
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I thought that the Wessex children are grandchildren, not great grandchildren, they are the same as William, Harry, Zara and the York sisters? or am I missing something.
Yep. You’re right...I got it wrong. Since they are closer in age to some of the great-grandchildren, I always forget that they are Philip’s grandchildren.

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I guess they are getting tired of being mistaken for great-grandchildren... (if it happens on this board multiple times, it must be happening all the time)
Or they might not care. I imagine that most people that make the mistake of confusing them for great-grandchildren, don’t mean any harm and are in no way trying to diminish their relationship with their grandfather. I know that I was in no way trying to do that.
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Old 04-12-2021, 12:53 PM
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I knew the half of the this, literally, but somehow not the other half. Quite a "wow" moment. https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyalArja...70096505257985

And he was the last person with the Hessian mitochondrial DNA, if I'm not mistaken.


Wow. I knew his maternal grandmother Victoria was the sister of the last empress of Russia, making Empress Alexandra his great aunt.

I’d forgotten that Empress Marie was also his great aunt (They were both his great aunts?! ) through his paternal side- since she was a princess of Denmark.
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Old 04-12-2021, 12:58 PM
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Wow. I knew his maternal grandmother Victoria was the sister of the last empress of Russia, making Empress Alexandra his great aunt.

I’d forgotten that Empress Marie was also his great aunt (They were both his great aunts?! ) through his paternal side- since she was a princess of Denmark.
Yep, Dagmar/Minnie was George I's sister (though it took me a few seconds) and Alicky was obviously Victoria's, but doesn't that sound more inbred than it actually is? Or maybe really is. I'm not sure those two would have appreciated being linked at all, even through Philip. In any case, it's pretty amazing.
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:24 PM
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Yep, Dagmar/Minnie was George I's sister (though it took me a few seconds) and Alicky was obviously Victoria's, but doesn't that sound more inbred than it actually is? Or maybe really is. I'm not sure those two would have appreciated being linked at all, even through Philip. In any case, it's pretty amazing.


I don’t think it ever clicked with me that Philip was equally related to both of the last empresses. It does sound worse than it is. Lol Philip was pretty much connected to almost everyone somehow.

Agreed- I can definitely see those 2 ladies not being thrilled about being linked through Philip. Lol They were, after all, so close.....

Imagine the stories he almost surely heard about regarding Alicky, Ella, the children, Nicolas too. :(
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:32 PM
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I really don't know about the older members of the family. They are all quite frail and would need support at least in and out of the church.

I mean I am not being rude but I would have the orthopedic surgeons on speed dial.

The Gloucesters and Prince Michael are younger. But you can't invite one.

I dont know in this time if they were my parents and I couldn't go too I would rather they didn't go. It's just not the time at the moment.

As for the grand in laws. Exclude them all if they are going to exclude but given Eugenie's baby and the fact they live right there I doubt Jack would care and Edo probably wouldn't either. And to be honest Mike may prefer to stay at home with the kids too. We may only see Kate. Given the Peter divorce.
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:32 PM
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Or they might not care. I imagine that most people that make the mistake of confusing them for great-grandchildren, don’t mean any harm and are in no way trying to diminish their relationship with their grandfather. I know that I was in no way trying to do that.
I am sure people are not trying to; but unintentionally that is the message that is conveyed. That's why I shared my personal experience. People don't mean any harm but for those that are (frequently) mistaken for being one generation further away than they truly are it can be hurtful to repeatedly receive the (unintended) message that their relationship with their loved one is less important.

In this specific case, you were surprised that they were to attend this funeral while Savannah and Isla etc. weren't. While of course, given that they are his grandchildren, their presence is as important as for example William's. And I am sure you agree with that now you are aware that they indeed are his grandchildren
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As for the funeral, I do like that Prince Harry will be there and I think it's for the best that it's him solo.

It may be inappropriate to say, but I look somewhat forward to Saturday. To see Prince Philip's wishes executed and see him receiving a dignified farewell.
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Interesting article....Even though Charles has essentially become his father as Joe Little indicated below, it’s different with Philip now gone. Charles really is the head of the family...I think he’ll do just fine; like I said earlier, his most important role is being there for his mother...


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Charles essentially now assumes the role of patriarch at a time when the royal family appears as divided as it has ever been. He will undoubtedly be anxious that Philip’s death offers an opportunity to heal rifts, especially between his sons, Harry and William.

Though Charles’s vision is of a “slimmed-down” monarchy, the royal historian Robert Lacey said Philip’s death “is just a reminder, that without him and Harry” they needed extra people.

Charles’s siblings may take some time to adjust to his new role. “It will be difficult for them to see him the way they used to see their father,” said Joe Little, the managing editor of Majesty magazine.

“In my opinion, though, Charles has been pretty much the head of ‘the firm’ for quite some time. With the general decline in the Duke of Edinburgh’s health, it was a natural progression.

“And Charles is fully consulted in all manner of things he never used to be,” added Little. “In many ways, Charles has already become his father.’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...h-royal-family
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:53 PM
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I don’t think it ever clicked with me that Philip was equally related to both of the last empresses. It does sound worse than it is. Lol Philip was pretty much connected to almost everyone somehow.

Agreed- I can definitely see those 2 ladies not being thrilled about being linked through Philip. Lol They were, after all, so close.....

Imagine the stories he almost surely heard about regarding Alicky, Ella, the children, Nicolas too. :(
Many of them from Uncle Dickie, surely; don't forget, Louis of Battenberg was first cousins with Alexander III, so that is all sides of a tiny gene pool, right there. Did Philip ever finally get to go to Russia, even informally? Or was he just limited to his very pointed comment about the Bolsheviks?
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:54 PM
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I thought that the Wessex children are grandchildren, not great grandchildren, they are the same as William, Harry, Zara and the York sisters? or am I missing something.
This is a mistake that happens often - just take a look at the news feeds. Edward is listed as the Duke's Grandson, on several he is Charles' son and rather odd - he was writing up as the son of the Duke of Windsor on MSN, until it was corrected. Very interesting family tree we have here.

Oddly enough Edward is rather used to this, his private secretary told me he answers to Philip, Charles, William and Andrew when on engagements. I unfortunately was there when there when such a engagement happened - you might still be able to find it online. Edward was at a high school where he was introduced as Prince Philip, he didn't correct the man, just made the speech and opened the building. When we were packing up, his private secretary run back to ask us, who were there for the LL, what the plague said as he was worried he might be committing identity theft. I asked why people weren't corrected - and the man shrugged and said sometimes it wasn't worth the effort.
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:06 PM
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I have a question and I hope I did not overread it if an answer has already be posted.

Would the children (like in great grandchildren) count INTO that 30 people? Or is it 30 GROWN UPS and possible children?
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:07 PM
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This is a mistake that happens often - just take a look at the news feeds. Edward is listed as the Duke's Grandson, on several he is Charles' son and rather odd - he was writing up as the son of the Duke of Windsor on MSN, until it was corrected. Very interesting family tree we have here.

Oddly enough Edward is rather used to this, his private secretary told me he answers to Philip, Charles, William and Andrew when on engagements. I unfortunately was there when there when such a engagement happened - you might still be able to find it online. Edward was at a high school where he was introduced as Prince Philip, he didn't correct the man, just made the speech and opened the building. When we were packing up, his private secretary run back to ask us, who were there for the LL, what the plague said as he was worried he might be committing identity theft. I asked why people weren't corrected - and the man shrugged and said sometimes it wasn't worth the effort.
Sometimes it isn't .

The RR's asked the royals house how do you pronounce August. And they said however tou want. I don't think they care about these things. Pick your battles
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:09 PM
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This is a mistake that happens often - just take a look at the news feeds. Edward is listed as the Duke's Grandson, on several he is Charles' son and rather odd - he was writing up as the son of the Duke of Windsor on MSN, until it was corrected. Very interesting family tree we have here.
Goodness, that's....imaginative.

Whilst it must be frustrating at times I suppose there are also some advantages of not being instantly recognised.
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:18 PM
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I have a question and I hope I did not overread it if an answer has already be posted.

Would the children (like in great grandchildren) count INTO that 30 people? Or is it 30 GROWN UPS and possible children?
Good question, I am sorry I do not know the answer. It would make a difference though
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:20 PM
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In this specific case, you were surprised that they were to attend this funeral while Savannah and Isla etc. weren't. While of course, given that they are his grandchildren, their presence is as important as for example William's. And I am sure you agree with that now you are aware that they indeed are his grandchildren
Of course their attendance is just as important. I wasn’t trying to imply otherwise, so I’m sorry if my comment came off that way. But I would also add that I think having his great-grandchildren there is also important.

I just buried my father, so I understand how devastating it is to have to decide who can and can’t attend the funeral service (due to Covid restrictions). And it’s sad that any of his loved ones have to be excluded from saying their goodbyes.
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:25 PM
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Good question, I am sorry I do not know the answer. It would make a difference though
They are included in the numbers.
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:28 PM
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Many of them from Uncle Dickie, surely; don't forget, Louis of Battenberg was first cousins with Alexander III, so that is all sides of a tiny gene pool, right there. Did Philip ever finally get to go to Russia, even informally? Or was he just limited to his very pointed comment about the Bolsheviks?


That’s right. Uncle Dickie surely had a lot of stories. I think he had a bit of a crush on GD Marie (?) and kept a photo of her. And Alice was greatly influenced by Ella becoming a nun in later years.

I remember reading that Alice and Andreas’ wedding was the last great royal gathering and that she was rather amused that EVERYBODY made a point of attending the wedding of 2 essentially minor royals. They must have been very well liked and/or everyone also wanted an excuse to get together. Lol

Hmm- I don’t recall reading that Philip ever made a trip to Russia. Maybe he did. I remember he said- supposedly anyway- something along the lines of he wouldn’t meet the Bolsheviks seeing as how they’d murdered half of his family. I can well imagine him having strong feelings on the subject.
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There are some lovely tributes from the RN, RCN, RAN & RNZN to a fellow sailor. He was an Admiral in all four navies.

https://t.co/79A0MsfKNc?amp=1

https://twitter.com/cn_australia?lan...0%7C%20Twitter

https://twitter.com/RoyalNavy?ref_sr...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://twitter.com/NZNavy?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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This is a mistake that happens often - just take a look at the news feeds. Edward is listed as the Duke's Grandson, on several he is Charles' son and rather odd - he was writing up as the son of the Duke of Windsor on MSN, until it was corrected. Very interesting family tree we have here.

Oddly enough Edward is rather used to this, his private secretary told me he answers to Philip, Charles, William and Andrew when on engagements. I unfortunately was there when there when such a engagement happened - you might still be able to find it online. Edward was at a high school where he was introduced as Prince Philip, he didn't correct the man, just made the speech and opened the building. When we were packing up, his private secretary run back to ask us, who were there for the LL, what the plague said as he was worried he might be committing identity theft. I asked why people weren't corrected - and the man shrugged and said sometimes it wasn't worth the effort.
Glad to read that he goes along with whatever name. But at the same time, it is a shame that his and Sophie's work as children(-in-law) of HM and The Duke of Edinburgh isn't acknowledged the way it should be.
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