Iñaki, Cristina and the NOOS Corruption Investigation Part 2 (2015 - 2018)

[carlota]

i believe that is the case. there's no reason to drag them out of school and bring them over with them to have to endure the press presence and having to see their parents during these times. they must continue in geneva with a nanny of some sort getting on with their everyday.

[An Ard Ri]

Bekia
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Primera sesión del Caso Nóos: La defensa de la Infanta Cristina y la Fiscalía exigen la aplicación de la Doctrina Botín - Bekia

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[Countessmeout]

If Cristina and Inaki both see prison time what happens to the kids? Does Inaki have family or would they end up back in Spain with JC and Sofia? I hope they are in Geneva in school and real life right now but there is a chance that their parents are going away.

[An Ard Ri]

The children of Infanta Cristina are in the line of succession to the Spanish throne and in the unlikely event that both parents end up in prison I'd assume they would be looked after by the SRF or the Urdangarín family.

[Winnie]

I asked because I was told differently and it made me mad. I am glad the children are "hidden" from this show. They are the ones I sincerely worry about, not Inaki or Cristina. This trial will follow their young lives for years. Just so unfair.

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I asked because I was told differently and it made me mad. I am glad the children are "hidden" from this show. They are the ones I sincerely worry about, not Inaki or Cristina. This trial will follow their young lives for years. Just so unfair.

I completely agree.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Infanta Cristina of Spain in court to stand trial on corruption charges

the case continues on Feb 9th.

[carlfraley]

Imo God forbid HRH end up In jail but if that were to happen , don't think for one moment abuela Sophia would ever let anyone else take those children! I'd bet my paycheck on that!


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[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

The children of Infanta Cristina are in the line of succession to the Spanish throne and in the unlikely event that both parents end up in prison I'd assume they would be looked after by the SRF or the Urdangarín family.

Probably the children of the Infanta Cristina would be with the Queen Sofia or the Urdangarin family.
I also think they could get the Infanta Elena, since she looks very close to the nephews.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by carlfraley

Imo God forbid HRH end up In jail but if that were to happen , don't think for one moment abuela Sophia would ever let anyone else take those children! I'd bet my paycheck on that!


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I am sorry but 'god forbid HRH ends up in jail If she is guilty of the crimes which it seems she likely is in part, she should face justice like any other commoner. If her and her husband cared about their kids and not having parents to raise them, they shouldn't have been involved in this.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by carlfraley

Imo God forbid HRH end up In jail but if that were to happen , don't think for one moment abuela Sophia would ever let anyone else take those children! I'd bet my paycheck on that!


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I also believe that the Queen Sofia will be with their grandchildren, if the daughter is arrested.
She loves her grandchildren and be the first to say it is with them.

[Osipi]

If and when its been deemed that both parents are to spend time in jail, I think what would happen is that the relatives would decide what is best for the children themselves. Who are they most comfortable with? Their education and social circles should be considered also as the least amount of trauma placed on the kids, the better.

I don't have a clue how the legal system works in Spain but would it be possible to find Cristina guilty to some extent and then give her a sentence such as house arrest (with restricted movement to places) and ankle monitor so that she could still be "at home" with the children but under supervision? I really do hope that the court takes into consideration these children.

[Blog Real]

I also hope that the court has attention to all this. Someone has to rely to care for children. I believe it would be with the Queen Sofia.

[GracieGiraffe]

I don't know if a court does take the children of a convicted felon into consideration when sentencing (we're getting far ahead of ourselves here, I'm speaking hypothetically ). There are many, many children out there whose only parent goes to jail for some crime or another, I'm sorry to say. What happens to them? A relative? Foster care?

I have no doubt that the SRF, while they cannot interfere with the proceedings (let's hope), probably is in the privileged position of knowing what the evidence against Cristina and Inaki is, and probably have a fairly good idea of how this will go. I'm guessing JC and Felipe have made a few phone calls to assess the situation. Plans are in place as necessary for the children. I have no doubt these four will have as soft a landing as possible under the circumstances. I say "soft landing" in relative terms, surely one's childhood ends when both parents face conviction and possible jail, no matter how much privilege they were born into.

[An Ard Ri]

Can we stay on topic and stick to the facts as they are and leave the worst case scenarios involving Urdangarín children out of the conversation for now.

[An Ard Ri]

Infanta Cristina's cousin,Don Alessandro Lecquio grandson of Infanta Beatriz of Spain) gives him thoughts on his cousin and the Nóos Case.

Alessandro Lequio insinúa que la Infanta Cristina ya ha sido castigada: "La inmoralidad está sentenciada con el exilio" - Bekia

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[GracieGiraffe]

I have not had the time, nor do I understand Spanish law enough to really follow what is going on, but did at least some of the prosecution team ask that the charges be dropped against Cristina based on insufficient evidence?

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

I have not had the time, nor do I understand Spanish law enough to really follow what is going on, but did at least some of the prosecution team ask that the charges be dropped against Cristina based on insufficient evidence?

Yes, this article gives an update. It is still debated whether the Botin doctrine should be applied to Cristina or not and this question will be decided before the start of the trial on Feb 9th.
Spanish royal trial: Prosecutors present new Tax Agency report defending Infanta Cristina | In English | EL PA�S

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

Yes, this article gives an update. It is still debated whether the Botin doctrine should be applied to Cristina or not and this question will be decided before the start of the trial on Feb 9th.
Spanish royal trial: Prosecutors present new Tax Agency report defending Infanta Cristina | In English | EL PA�S

Thanks, Duke! The criminal justice system in Spain is so different from that in the U.S.

So Cristina might be out of this within the month. We'll see.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Thanks, Duke! The criminal justice system in Spain is so different from that in the U.S.

So Cristina might be out of this within the month. We'll see.

The Infanta Doña Cristina is not facing State prosecution in any way. In Spain (and in most EU countries) a plaintiff bringing an action to Court must be a direct victim of an alleged crime. The case against the Infanta was brought forward by an action group called "Clean Hands" claiming rights "on behalf of the people".

The famous Botín Doctrine was issued by the Supreme Court in December 2007, stating that a trial cannot be opened solely in the instance of popular accusation, but needs to be petitioned by the Public Prosecutor or the private prosecutor as the only legitimately injured parties. This means that the action group "Clean Hands" has to show and proof that individual plaintiffs in their group were directly a victim due to actions or non-actions of the Infanta. Both the Public Prosecutor as well the Examinating Magistrate saw little possibilities to build a case which has any chance in a lawsuit.

In most (if not all) EU-countries it is not possible to prosecute purely for the prosecution (as we can see in the US: "I sue you! See you in Court!"). A case must be brought forward to the Public Prosecution Office and it is their duty to make sure that the right person is prosecuted for the right offence. In doing so, prosecutors must always act in the interests of justice and not only for the purpose of obtaining a conviction. This means that in the EU Public Prosecutors regularly advice the Court that there is no sustainable case for a prosecution and/or conviction. This is a total opposite role as in most of the US-states where the prosecution seems to see it as a "defeat" when there is no conviction.