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Old 02-17-2017, 06:27 AM
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So I presume they will appeal
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:33 AM
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I assume they will. I'm trying to figure out how long it will take...
Tue prosecution had said they would ask for an inmediate inprisonment if the verdict was above 6 years.
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:13 AM
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I think of the children.....
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:15 AM
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Seeing other cases, I think that , Iñaki can appeal, and he can request that it suspend the jail until a superior court decides on the sentence. But seeing what is happening in Spain with other similar cases, the judges are imposing the criterion of exemplarity, I am sure that they will not accept the suspension of the jail , he will enter in the jail. he could enter prison in three months or less....
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As a citizen of a country where many rich and influent people are taking, legally or illegally, financial advantages from their position and in the same time are advocating for middle and lower classes making efforts to save the economy of their country, I can only applaude when such frauds are punished with severe sentences. My thought go however to the children, who never requested to involved in all this mess.
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Honestly, I find even 6 years to be excessive. I thought 3-4 years plus a much larger fine would have been more in-line with the crime. But I guess that's because I've seen plenty of cases of rape or murder that get 6 years or less in my country.
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OK. Now we know Inaki is going to prison. What I am wondering is just where he will be imprisoned at. Because of who he is will he be accommodated according to his previous status with the Spanish royal family or put into the general population of a prison?

I can just imagine the ribbing and taunts (the lesser of evils in a prison) of the general population of a prison with Inaki amongst them would garner. I would think they'd take all of that into consideration before deciding where to send him. Of course, I have no idea of what Spanish prisons are like and am hoping someone here would know.
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OK. Now we know Inaki is going to prison. What I am wondering is just where he will be imprisoned at. Because of who he is will he be accommodated according to his previous status with the Spanish royal family or put into the general population of a prison?

I can just imagine the ribbing and taunts (the lesser of evils in a prison) of the general population of a prison with Inaki amongst them would garner. I would think they'd take all of that into consideration before deciding where to send him. Of course, I have no idea of what Spanish prisons are like and am hoping someone here would know.
Some media is speculating he could go to Badajoz's prison, close to the Portuguese border. If so, it makes sense that Cristina and kids are planning to move to Lisbon as many are announcing:
Urdangarin podría ir a la prisión de Badajoz: una cárcel tranquila donde limpiará zonas comunes - 20minutos.es
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

According to this, it's a small, "quiet" jail.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:39 AM
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As a citizen of a country where many rich and influent people are taking, legally or illegally, financial advantages from their position and in the same time are advocating for middle and lower classes making efforts to save the economy of their country, I can only applaude when such frauds are punished with severe sentences. My thought go however to the children, who never requested to involved in all this mess.

My feelings precisely. I think this mess has already done lasting emotional damage to them, and they are the only innocents here

In their brief lives they have lived in Spain, the US, Switzerland and now are being uprooted again to Portugal to be near papa in prison?
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Do you think there will be chances for a reconciliation for the family?
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Do you think there will be chances for a reconciliation for the family?
I think in private Juan Carlos and Sofia must have a good relationship with Infanta Cristina, who is still their daughter.

I believe that Felipe and Letizia will have a cordial relationship with Cristina and will maintain a connection with her in private. But in public they will be far apart forever.
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I think in private Juan Carlos and Sofia must have a good relationship with Infanta Cristina, who is still their daughter.

I believe that Felipe and Letizia will have a cordial relationship with Cristina and will maintain a connection with her in private. But in public they will be far apart forever.
Of course as a parent and grandparent, they would always love their family. But there will always now be a difference. It will come into view when the grandchildren grow and are constantly reminded thru school mates or media about their parents. To watch a child either get withdrawn or defiant over something their own parents did is an awful burden for a grandparent to witness. I have always thought the two adults deserve punishment for their actions, but the children who are 100% innocent will also pay. They are the ones who need prayers.
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Finally a sentense, after so many years! I find the infanta's sentense not surprising and in accordance to the facts.

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Honestly, I find even 6 years to be excessive. I thought 3-4 years plus a much larger fine would have been more in-line with the crime. But I guess that's because I've seen plenty of cases of rape or murder that get 6 years or less in my country.
I agree. 6+years is quite a lot, esp. considering that much of his life has been on hold for 6 years or so. And indeed, we also have murderers here who are free in less than 6 years. Though for the monarchy this is not a bad outcome. It would have been more problematic if hegot away with it and had a light punishment.

Diego Torres has been sentenced to 8 years.

I am sure there will be an appreal.

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Let's hope for the children's sake that the Badajoz/Lisbon story is correct. Considering the options it seems like the best scenario. Close enough to their father to visit him often while there will probably be less nasty looks/remarks at school etc. in Portugal.

What stupidity and what an awful prize to pay...
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I'm glad that sentencing has finally been handed down. Although its quite disruptive to the family life, its understandable that Cristina and their children will be moving to Portugal. It will be easier to visit Daddy and that alone, maintains some kind of family solidarity in the worse of times.

These children are also learning first hand the hard way that when you do wrong, you face the consequences of your actions. Its a lesson that I think will serve them as they grow older and have their own adult lives. Its also a stark lesson in the fact that even with money and titles, wrongdoing can and will still have to be accounted for no matter who you are. They are also learning that everyone makes mistakes in life and if you love someone, you stick by them through thick and thin.

I wish them the best. If the family is strong enough, they will all stick together throughout all of the 6 years Inaki spends in prison.
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I feel very sorry for the Urdangarin children and for Inaki's family that have all had to go through this,Queen Sofia will be a regular support to Cristina and her children if they move to Portugal.
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Fair enough sentence. It would have been insane to give him 19 years.
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Isn't Badajoz the territory of Christina's aunt Pilar? Even a family connection..
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Isn't Badajoz the territory of Christina's aunt Pilar? Even a family connection..
The Infanta Pilar is indeed the Duchess of Badajoz.
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I wish them the best. If the family is strong enough, they will all stick together throughout all of the 6 years Inaki spends in prison.
Maybe Spanish posters can confirm how the system works in Spain because for example in Germany somebody like Inaki (type of crime, first time criminal etc) would do less than half of the time with good behaviour, like 1-2 years full time in prison, then only spending the night there, after that at home under curfew, the rest: pardon. I expect Inaki 'free' long before the six years, there are lots of options to accommodate his situation.
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