Elena, Felipe Froilán &Victoria Federica de Marichalar, News 2:June 2007- May 2019

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by Biri

Jaime de Marichalar is ill? What ails him?

Jaime had a stroke in 2001

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ke-in-gym.html


it is said that the recovery was kind of character changing and contributed to the failure of the marriage. so the children's upbringing was probably not easy.

[lula]

They are not part of the Royal Family, and therefore who decides if they have bodyguards or not, depending on the risks they value is the Interior Ministry.

Elena has bodyguards, but I have great doubts that her children, now that they are adults, still have them. The nephews of Juan Carlos never had them, and only that the government thought that there is some kind of risk because they are more known would justify that the children of Elena had them.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

https://www.clm24.es/articulo/gente/...014237642.html
https://translate.google.de/translat...014237642.html

Most articles mention it, and it poses a problem when they attending demostrations against the Sanchez government or events hosted by right wing parties.

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Interesting. I didn't think they would be considered "important" enough in terms of succession for bodyguards; though the SRF is on a rocky road as it is so if true I can imagine the court are just being cautious. But attending right wing demonstrations doesn't help ease this rocky road

Do you mean that it would have been considered a milder problem (or not a problem at all) for the Royal Family if they had instead attended left wing or pro-Sanchez government events?

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by lula

They are not part of the Royal Family, and therefore who decides if they have bodyguards or not, depending on the risks they value is the Interior Ministry.

Elena has bodyguards, but I have great doubts that her children, now that they are adults, still have them. The nephews of Juan Carlos never had them, and only that the government thought that there is some kind of risk because they are more known would justify that the children of Elena had them.

Maybe you are right, and Felipe uses Elena's bodyguards, what doesn't make it any better.

There are various articles about Felipe and his escapades and usually bodyguards are mentioned.
https://www.elnacional.cat/enblau/es...50536_102.html

Do you mean that it would have been considered a milder problem (or not a problem at all) for the Royal Family if they had instead attended left wing or pro-Sanchez government events?

There have been similar discussions about the bodyguard issues in the BRF section with Harry (who is of course a member of the BRF and has now settled down), whose state-funded bodyguards were around when he partied hard in Las Vegas and went to a costume party in a Nazi outfit:
the bodyguard has to do the job, the judgement or thinking have to do others.

[Biri]

But Elena and her children are allowed to vote, aren't they?

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Do you mean that it would have been considered a milder problem (or not a problem at all) for the Royal Family if they had instead attended left wing or pro-Sanchez government events?

Without wanting to turn this into a political discussion (just felt that I needed to clarify before words would be put in my mouth): Quite the oposite in fact. I would prefer for Elena’s children not to attend ANY political demonstrations regardless of whether they’re supporting the left or the right stance, as whilst they’re private citizens, their names are still connected to the Casa Real and traditionally royalty and politics aren’t meant to mix regardless of what “wing” a royal supports. The SRF are on thin enough ice as it is and they don’t need any more negative PR at the moment even from those who aren’t officially working members of the family.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Without wanting to turn this into a political discussion (just felt that I needed to clarify before words would be put in my mouth): Quite the oposite in fact. I would prefer for Elena’s children not to attend ANY political demonstrations regardless of whether they’re supporting the left or the right stance, as whilst they’re private citizens, their names are still connected to the Casa Real and traditionally royalty and politics aren’t meant to mix regardless of what “wing” a royal supports. The SRF are on thin enough ice as it is and they don’t need any more negative PR at the moment even from those who aren’t officially working members of the family.

I would like to reassure you that I have no intent of "putting words in" the mouth of any individual. That is the reason for asking for clarification as to whether the Spanish people would consider it a problem for a member of the king's family to attend any event of a political nature, or only right-wing but not left-wing political events. Thank you for clarifying.

[princess gertrude]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Without wanting to turn this into a political discussion (just felt that I needed to clarify before words would be put in my mouth): Quite the oposite in fact. I would prefer for Elena’s children not to attend ANY political demonstrations regardless of whether they’re supporting the left or the right stance, as whilst they’re private citizens, their names are still connected to the Casa Real and traditionally royalty and politics aren’t meant to mix regardless of what “wing” a royal supports. The SRF are on thin enough ice as it is and they don’t need any more negative PR at the moment even from those who aren’t officially working members of the family.

I agree. I would prefer they not have any political affiliation. In this case, no PR is good PR for the SRF. My thoughts are also, if Elena is being supported by funds for the SRF, and in turn her children are benefiting from those funds, then they should not be participating in these protests. Of course, this is just my opinion.l

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

I would like to reassure you that I have no intent of "putting words in" the mouth of any individual. That is the reason for asking for clarification as to whether the Spanish people would consider it a problem for a member of the king's family to attend any event of a political nature, or only right-wing but not left-wing political events. Thank you for clarifying.

Not a problem People assuming someone has said the wrong thing without reading their argument fully has always been a huge problem in political discussions from both sides of the political spectrums, and having had many political discussions lately with both sides of the debate myself as a Brit (don’t think I need to mention the biggest political issue here in the UK at the moment ), I just wanted to clarify that!

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Without wanting to turn this into a political discussion (just felt that I needed to clarify before words would be put in my mouth): Quite the oposite in fact. I would prefer for Elena’s children not to attend ANY political demonstrations regardless of whether they’re supporting the left or the right stance, as whilst they’re private citizens, their names are still connected to the Casa Real and traditionally royalty and politics aren’t meant to mix regardless of what “wing” a royal supports. The SRF are on thin enough ice as it is and they don’t need any more negative PR at the moment even from those who aren’t officially working members of the family.

Exactly, and even more so that the private citizen Felipe is actually No 4 in line of the throne, as other posters have already pointed out.

[An Ard Ri]

Don Felipe and Doña Victoria de Marichalar are 4th and 5th in the line of Succession unlike the children of the Infantas Pilar and Margarita who were just the nephew/nieces of King Juan Carlos.

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by princess gertrude

I agree. I would prefer they not have any political affiliation. In this case, no PR is good PR for the SRF. My thoughts are also, if Elena is being supported by funds for the SRF, and in turn her children are benefiting from those funds, then they should not be participating in these protests. Of course, this is just my opinion.l

Another very good point. I'm guessing this is also the reason why Felipe Froilan and Victoria Federica have bodyguards too.

[An Ard Ri]

Doña Victoria de Marichalar attended a farewell party in honour of bullfighter Gonzalo Caballero who's off to Mexico.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...ero-despedida/

Translation

https://translate.google.com/transla...o-despedida%2F

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

Doña Victoria de Marichalar attended a farewell party in honour of bullfighter Gonzalo Caballero who's off to Mexico.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...ero-despedida/

Translation

https://translate.google.com/transla...o-despedida%2F

Why are they never explicitly referred to as couple in the press ?

[Somebody]

The article addressed this by stating: " Victoria Federica de Marichalar*y el torero*Gonzalo Caballero*mantienen una relación*que, sentimental o no, ya que ninguno de lo dos lo ha confirmado nunca, está claro que es muy cercana"

Or: VF and G have a relation - sentimental (meaning: as a couple) or not, something that neither of them has confirmed - that is clearly really close.

[iceflower]

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Elena and Victoria were pictured in Seville:


** Pic ** bekia.es photo ** hola: La infanta Elena y su hija adelantan la Semana Santa y ponen rumbo a Sevilla ** translation **

[iceflower]

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Victoria attended a dinner at the Carriage Museum in Seville yesterday, May 3, part of the Feria de Abril (April Fair):


** hola: El look más elegante de Victoria Federica en su debut en solitario **


** lecturas: Victoria Federica debuta en solitario en un acto oficial **

[Biri]

She looks so much like her mum!

[An Ard Ri]

Is it just me or does Doña Victoria de Marichalar look like she's getting taller and taller?

[Tirilschatz]

Yes and no; it may be the shoes here, but I think she could have inherited some of her uncles genes. And I always considered her father to be quite tall.