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Old 02-23-2019, 12:26 PM
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Froilán, on the other hand, on February 10th attended a mass demonstration against the government in Madrid.
The manifestation was summoned and attended by right and far right wing party that opposed the Prime Minister's intention to accept a mediator figure at the cross-party talks on Catalonia. Protesters called Pedro Sanchez a traitor and asked for immediate elections.

Apparently, Froilán asked the Casa Real for permission to attend the manifestation and allegedly it was granted because the demonstration hadn't been called by one political party only.

https://www.elmundo.es/loc/casa-real...4738b45dd.html
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:08 PM
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Zarzuela has denied that Froilán communicated to them that he was going to the demonstration, and therefore they did not give him any permission.

https://www.lne.es/espana/2019/02/23...a/2431599.html

He is no longer a member of the Royal Family
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:40 PM
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That seems an unwise move (although Felipe might secretly agree with his nephew - given his firm speech on the Catalunya crisis- he will of course deny it in public).


Froilán might no longer be a member of the Casa Real, he is still the king's nephew and therefore a member of the 'king's family' and as such should stay far away from politics imo. Although I understand that being in that 'in-between' position makes it hard for him.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:07 PM
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Froilán, on the other hand, on February 10th attended a mass demonstration against the government in Madrid.
The manifestation was summoned and attended by right and far right wing party that opposed the Prime Minister's intention to accept a mediator figure at the cross-party talks on Catalonia. Protesters called Pedro Sanchez a traitor and asked for immediate elections.

Apparently, Froilán asked the Casa Real for permission to attend the manifestation and allegedly it was granted because the demonstration hadn't been called by one political party only.

https://www.elmundo.es/loc/casa-real...4738b45dd.html


I can't believe the Casa Real would not advise Froilán against doing it.

I understand Froilán is not an HRH and not a member of the Royal House. However, he is still 4th in line to the throne, which is pretty high. The monarchy is constantly under attack by leftist republicans as an allegeded relic of the Franco regime. Having a member of the Royal Family attend a right-wing rally along with far right groups that are nostalgic of the old regime only makes the RF more vulnerable to criticism as it reinforces the republican point of view.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:22 PM
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Don Felipe Juan Froilán de Marichalar is 4th in line to the throne and should have been advised against attending the mass demonstration in Madrid.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:27 PM
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Froilan is not a member of the Royal Family, therefore the Royal House is not his nanny and they can not prevent him from doing things that they do not know he is going to do.

It was his mother's job to educate him and teach him what public attitudes were admissible and what were not according to his position, but he always behaves like a rebellious boy. Froilán and Victoria are of legal age, now the press is following them and does not lose the opportunity to create controversies ... but they have some attitudes and hobbies that facilitate criticism.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:35 PM
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Froilan is not a member of the Royal Family, therefore the Royal House is not his nanny and they can not prevent him from doing things that they do not know he is going to do.
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But the OP said Froilán consulted the Royal House before attending the rally and asked for their approval. So, if that is true, not only did they know what the boy was going to do, but also they were OK with it, which is what I find surprising.
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He's a headstrong young man and does exactly what he wants,he's no stranger to controversy,I doubt he listens to anyone.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:54 PM
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But the OP said Froilán consulted the Royal House before attending the rally and asked for their approval. So, if that is true, not only did they know what the boy was going to do, but also they were OK with it, which is what I find surprising.
Read my previous message ... Zarzuela has officially denied that Froilán communicated anything to them (you also have to know the ideological position and the intention of the newspaper that published the news)... as I said he is not part of the Royal House, and therefore has no obligation to ask permission to do anything.

I do not think that in general the image that the press transmits of Froilán and Victoria like posh children, not very good students, that they like the bulls and the hippodrome ... it coincides with the image that Zarzuela wants to transmit today. But if their parents and grandparents do nothing to amend it, Zarzuela and Felipe can not do it.

It is not a new problem ... some children of Infanta Pilar have always been accused of using their last name to obtain privileges or business. It is the problem of the King's Family, they do not have any official responsibility, they are private people ... and they do not always behave with due prudence. It has happened and will always happen.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:31 PM
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It was a silly thing for him to do for several reasons. Hopefully those reasons have been pointed out to him and he’s gained some perspective.

I’ve thought before it would have been better for young Felipe to remain in the US for his post secondary education. Juan Carlos and Sophia will have paved the way for lives of financial and especially social privilege for their daughters’ children and, of course, their lives will be much more free than those of their royal cousins. Felipe will have doors open for him anywhere in the world and he’s never been great at navigating the media scrutiny he gets in Spain. A few more years to mature in anonymity might do him good.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:35 PM
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Supposedly, Spain is a free country. Juan Froilan is a private citizen, who is free to participate in any activity he wants to. He should not really care about King Felipe/Casa Real's opinion or ask for a permission to take part in political activities.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:41 PM
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He's a headstrong young man and does exactly what he wants,he's no stranger to controversy,I doubt he listens to anyone.
Agree with this summary of Felipe Froilan - he was acting based on how he personally feels about the issues raised at hand during the demonstration and as a person of a strong character decided to act on that. As lula pointed out, he has been portrayed in the press as being a bit of a "black sheep" from a young age (I remember there were stories from when he was ten of him giving the middle finger to the paparazzi) and the press probably want to continue stories along these lines as most of the public no doubt view him as such based on what they've read about him in newspapers and magazines.

Felipe is a private citizen so I think that, whilst it may of been better for him to stay at home given his ties with the royal family (who have already faced so much negative PR over the past few years and are already on "thin ice"), though he has no official association with the royal house so it's not as important as, say, if Princess Leonor had attended the same event. Hasn't his mother Elena also publicly declared her views on the Catalonia referendum issue? Reminds me of the issue of Prince Charles here in the UK and political views.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:12 AM
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Victoria Federica attended the Olivenza Bullfighting Fair last weekend:



** hola: Victoria de Marichalar disfruta de un fin de semana con amigas en la feria taurina de Olivenza ** translation **
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:27 AM
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Froilán might no longer be a member of the Casa Real, he is still the king's nephew and therefore a member of the 'king's family' and as such should stay far away from politics imo. Although I understand that being in that 'in-between' position makes it hard for him.
It becomes a problem when - as obviously in this case - both Felipe and Victoria have bodyguards that are paid for by the Spanish State/taxpayer, and those bodyguards guard Felipe at a demonstration against the very state that pays for them.

It's never a good image to be seen smoking, partying, hanging around in elite circles while not performing at super expensive elite schools that your King emeritus grandfather pays for you but at some point if not the uncle but the parents or grandparents who foot the bill for the youngsters should maybe have a word with them about public conduct.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:55 PM
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It becomes a problem when - as obviously in this case - both Felipe and Victoria have bodyguards that are paid for by the Spanish State/taxpayer, and those bodyguards guard Felipe at a demonstration against the very state that pays for them.

It's never a good image to be seen smoking, partying, hanging around in elite circles while not performing at super expensive elite schools that your King emeritus grandfather pays for you but at some point if not the uncle but the parents or grandparents who foot the bill for the youngsters should maybe have a word with them about public conduct.
Is it confirmed that Froilán and Victoria have state-paid bodyguards ?
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:11 PM
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Is it confirmed that Froilán and Victoria have state-paid bodyguards ?
https://www.clm24.es/articulo/gente/...014237642.html
https://translate.google.de/translat...014237642.html

Most articles mention it, and it poses a problem when they attending demostrations against the Sanchez government or events hosted by right wing parties.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:37 PM
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Seems like it's a pretty tough time to be King of Spain -- and the King's extended family isn't making it any easier. It's particularly bizarre considering Juan Carlos had to abdicate in part due to errors in judgment and family scandals. You'd think everyone would have the good sense to be on their best behavior . . .
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https://translate.google.de/translat...014237642.html

Most articles mention it, and it poses a problem when they attending demostrations against the Sanchez government or events hosted by right wing parties.
Interesting. I didn't think they would be considered "important" enough in terms of succession for bodyguards; though the SRF is on a rocky road as it is so if true I can imagine the court are just being cautious. But attending right wing demonstrations doesn't help ease this rocky road
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:08 AM
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They have bodyguards for their unexpected attitudes !
Is this a result of a bad Education, their Father's illness , their parents Divorce ??
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Jaime de Marichalar is ill? What ails him?
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