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I do indeed believe it would be much wiser is she, preferably of her own free will, gave up her title.
Especially as she has shown no inclination to return to "active duty" in connection with the lack of full time working adults in the NRF in the coming years.
Not even for a while or part time. So what's the point of her having her title?

Miss Märtha Lousie would be much more free to earn a living on Angel Schools and she would avoid the constant criticism in Norway.
On top of that the thread would be about her relationship with an American who calls himself a Shaman and who profess to have a number of healing abilities. Interesting, a little controversial but not very controversial.

I do not believe in spirituality. I do believe firmly in natural science and psychology.
There are many forms of alternative treatments that require a considerable education and where you need to be certified. These people treat their clients according to a certain standard and with respect for their own abilities, meaning that when they spot something that is beyond their skills they advise seeing a doctor. - That I respect!

Where I call charlatan and humbug are when people without any basic skills claim to be able to cure or alleviate serious illnesses. Based on... what?
Tribal shamans went through years of intensive training before they were even allowed to call themselves a shaman.

I have very little respect for people who prey on the sick, vulnerable or psychologically lost.
Whilst I'm a practicing Christian and do believe in spirits etc, I don't agree with spirituality such as the role of the Shaman for this bolded reason. The whole practice seems very dodgy to me (for want of a better word) and even dangerous in some cases. I want to trust Martha Louise's new partner for the sake of her happiness but I don't get good vibes, I'm afraid..
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On Verrett's webpage you can read:
dersom du er syk eller i rullestol, paralysert eller i koma, trenger du mer enn én time, du må booke to timer. Vi garanterer ikke at du blir helbredet for din lidelse. Å bli helbredet fra sykdom har å gjøre med pasientens villighet.
- "If you are sick or in a wheelchair, paralyzed or in coma, you need more than one hour, you must book two hours. We do not guarantee that you will be cured of your ailment. To be cured of a disease depends on the will of the patient."
This probably is not the most pressing question at hand, but how does one book an appointment with a shaman whilst in a coma?

And thank you for the information on the princess's registered companies.
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The money is the thing that raises the most suspicion and skepticism.

I'm Catholic-we have Saints. But people that have extraordinary faith do not intercede for others for money reward. In fact, many would say they would lose any extra intercessory abilities they have if they were motivated by venality.
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I do indeed believe it would be much wiser is she, preferably of her own free will, gave up her title.
Especially as she has shown no inclination to return to "active duty" in connection with the lack of full time working adults in the NRF in the coming years.
Not even for a while or part time. So what's the point of her having her title?

Miss Märtha Lousie would be much more free to earn a living on Angel Schools and she would avoid the constant criticism in Norway.
On top of that the thread would be about her relationship with an American who calls himself a Shaman and who profess to have a number of healing abilities. Interesting, a little controversial but not very controversial.

I do not believe in spirituality. I do believe firmly in natural science and psychology.
There are many forms of alternative treatments that require a considerable education and where you need to be certified. These people treat their clients according to a certain standard and with respect for their own abilities, meaning that when they spot something that is beyond their skills they advise seeing a doctor. - That I respect!

Where I call charlatan and humbug are when people without any basic skills claim to be able to cure or alleviate serious illnesses. Based on... what?
Tribal shamans went through years of intensive training before they were even allowed to call themselves a shaman.

I have very little respect for people who prey on the sick, vulnerable or psychologically lost.
You're right. Unlike the royal houses in Sweden and Denmark, where there are several adults working for the monarchy, in Norway are only Kings and Prince Haakon, because Princess Mette-Marit is sick and therefore can not always work. I think it would be much smarter for Marta Louise to help her brother instead of being involved in controversy.
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Ok I know very little about Martha Louise ....has she always been this way, to take up with this type of person? He sounds like a con man.


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The money is the thing that raises the most suspicion and skepticism.

I'm Catholic-we have Saints. But people that have extraordinary faith do not intercede for others for money reward. In fact, many would say they would lose any extra intercessory abilities they have if they were motivated by venality.
You are right, if really you are able to cure people, it is a gift of God, you cannot mix profit with it.
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"To be cured of a disease depends on the will of the patient."
I'm convinced there is more between heaven and earth than we know, and also that the mind is a strong influence of a person's physical well-being, but i have a categorical problem with a statement like this and a person who utters such statement.
I've seen enough illness in familymembers or other people in my surroundings who fought their hardest and wanted nothing more than to get better and survive, but who lost their battle anyway....to say something like this always sounds to me that they didn't want it bad enough

Sometimes life just isn't that simple and fair...
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No comments is also a comment...

And Märtha Louise is not just his sweetheart, she is officially his business partner. That is evident from the Princess and the Shaman tour.
Do you really believe a lawyer going for Shaman would spare his companion?

Well, if people believe it helps sleeping with a seven-pointed star made from paper, silver or gold under their pillow, they will feel better.
In my younger days I was a bookbinder, we produced edition after edition of a book called The Seven Star, listing hundreds of examples of little wonders sleeping with a seven-pointed star had, The book even included a seven-star in cardboard, with the note that a seven star made from silver or gold would work even better!
In Danish, English, French and German. It was great business!
- Now, what's the harm done in this example? None I guess, except that some ended up with a seven-star made from silver in a drawer somewhere.
But what if the author at a lecture had claimed that the silver star might cure your diabetes? Well, insulin is expensive, why not give it a try? The placebo effect does make you feel better - for a while... So you drop your insulin altogether until your body collapses.
Many would now seriously consider a lawsuit.

It's something like that I see in the horizon.

Well, He did comment! He said he was happy she had a new boyfriend and looking forward to meet the guy, something like this.

I´m not an expert, but Shamanism has very different techniques other than you wrote about in your examples! It is an ancient, archaic way of coming in contact with different kind of spirits, arisen masters etc. This has nothing to do with putting a crystal star under ones pillow.... Things having absolutely nothing to do with each other getting mixed up here....

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I think, the problem is, that Märtha Luise is a scandinavian princess:

Folks from other denominations would say, Durek might have a point, or he is talking to evil demons and evil demons through him,

but Scandinavia is pretty hardcore protestantic - they say "Humbug". Protestantism..., Protestantism has somehow saved christianity by diminishing everything it considered excessivly and making the believe in Jesus more "abstract" and by that has opened the way for science and enlightment. And now comes the "Shaman"... Wrong time (it is not the Seventies anymore) and totally wrong place!

The thingy by Märtha Luise with talking to the angels, that was somehow "innocent", but now everything is about Big Money! I googled it, the prices for seeing their show "The Princess and the Shaman" are quite high - one can see the best music artists for that money.
So, yes, I think @Muhler has a point!

Well, as I understand it, shamanism is beyond times or "zeitgeist" - it is an ancient technique you will have to learn long and hard to be able to perform it!
So, this has nothing to do with the "1970s" or any other period.

Märtha Louise said in an interview a couple of days ago what she answers when being asked how it was like being a Princess. She said she does not know because she does not know how it feels like NOT to be a Princess, because she was, and that this was a fact.
That shows the ML sees that title not just as a "brand", but obviously as a part of her personality!
Can you just swap a part of your personality?!


And last, why would her talking to angels be more "innocent"?! ML went on tour with a female friend (her angel-school partner) on this as well just as selling books!
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Well, He did comment! He said he was happy she had a new boyfriend and looking forward to meet the guy, something like this.

I´m not an expert, but Shamanism has very different techniques other than you wrote about in your examples! It is an ancient, archaic way of coming in contact with different kind of spirits, arisen masters etc. This has nothing to do with putting a crystal star under ones pillow.... Things having absolutely nothing to do with each other getting mixed up here....
I know about what the King said. In fact I believe I read about three quotes.

What I meant was that sometimes not saying anything is a statement too. - That does not only apply to this case.

And let us make one thing very clear: Durek has absolutely nothing in common with a genuine, traditional, tribal shaman!
A traditional shaman was a kind of priest, GP, councilor, herbalist and psychologist in one person and as such served a vital function in tribal communities - and only after years of intensive training.
- Durek is neither of these.

There are lots of people these days who run around calling themselves druids, shamans, gurus, witches and what not - but who have very little in common with the real thing.
Then there a few who actually seriously study and try and rediscover the ancient arts of medical care and psychological methods as well as incorporating parts of the old religions in their treatment.
- Durek does not.

The example I used about crystals does not necessarily have anything to do with shamanism, as you are very well aware, but was an example of a stress-relieving technique used in alternative treatment.
Lying still for an hour, listening to calming sounds/music, with a crystal on your forehead and elsewhere on your body, means you are eventually going to relax - that's logic. It's just called "Crystal-Therapy" or something fancy.
- But that's not what Durek is saying.
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Well, as I understand it, shamanism is beyond times or "zeitgeist" - it is an ancient technique you will have to learn long and hard to be able to perform it!
So, this has nothing to do with the "1970s" or any other period.
Yeah, but he is more of a Guru, right? He just calls himself Shaman! Probably because of these "à la mode" latin american rituals like Ayahuasca, which are shamanic.

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Can you just swap a part of your personality?!
I don't know Märtha Luise, nor her personality. But she might have been more than ready for this "Shaman"! It looks like her whole vitae culminates here...

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And last, why would her talking to angels be more "innocent"?! ML went on tour with a female friend (her angel-school partner) on this as well just as selling books!
Oh, I did not know that! My fault! But it surely raked not that much money in like her gig with Shaman.
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Well this told me all I needed to know ;-)

In some ways they seem perfect with their slightly "out there" ideas.

I can't help but think someone is being quite clever here - making the relationship public just before they go on a tour. Now theres 100x as much media coverage as before. I just hope they are both in it together and ML isn't just being used
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Well this told me all I needed to know ;-)

In some ways they seem perfect with their slightly "out there" ideas.

I can't help but think someone is being quite clever here - making the relationship public just before they go on a tour. Now theres 100x as much media coverage as before. I just hope they are both in it together and ML isn't just being used
Yes, we have of course to take into consideration that both of them know perfectly well what they are getting into. No accident there, I agree. The question is who came up with the idea? One or both? Or ML's discreet partner at the Angel School?

In fact I have heard it being suggested from Norwegian side that it is Durek who is being used.
I.e. the conman is being conned. (By his "intended victim") - If so it's in perverse way better than any soap!
But personally I prefer to let the benefit of doubt of that one go to ML.

- I had, after Mette-Marit went public with her illness, hoped and indeed expected that Märtha Louise would help out with the royal duties. Even is she is far from generally respected among the Norwegians, surely she could cut a ribbon here and there, give a speech or two and visit the odd retirement home. - Harmless stuff, you know.
But with this, perhaps the Norwegians are fortunate she is no longer an active royal - and if it was now left to me to decide, no longer a royal at all. Even if it means the NRF will be stretched to breaking point for the next ten-fifteen years work-wise.


Latest news from Norway.

There will not be a press conference in connection with Princess and Shaman show in Copenhagen tomorrow.
Nor will they answer individual questions, nor will it be permitted to take photos during the show.
A spokesperson says:
Vi har hele tiden hatt fotoforbud på kurs vi holder, også dette. Det er av respekt for de som har kjøpt billett for egen del. Vi har ingen ytterligere kommentar
"We have all along prohibited photos at the course we are having, also this one. It's out of respect for those who have bought a ticket out of personal interest. We have no further comments."

https://www.vg.no/rampelys/i/Wb8W92/..._content=row-1
- The comments from the readers in the bottom of the article are hardly positive towards ML and Durek!

Durek is pretty irritated!
Friday he put up a video where he express his annoyance against the Norwegian press.
It's in English, so I'll him speak for himself...
https://www.nettavisen.no/livsstil/d...423686313.html

Finansavisen - The Norwegian equivalent to Financial Times, have in their editorial called the Princess & Shaman tour for "swindle."

The editor, Trygne Hegnar, is here quoted for elaborating his editorial:
Han er jo ikke en sjaman, men en sjarlatan. Han driver med helbredelser ved healing, og da hevder at han kan helbrede kreft og masse rart, sier Hegnar i gårsdagens sending av Økonominyhetene på HegnarTV.

- At han kan tillate seg å si at han kan gå inn i kroppen og snu det som foregår i kromosomer og atomene, og det kan han snu og påvirke slik at vi kan leve lenger, det er noe skikkelig erkesludder alt sammen. Det som nesten er trist for kong Harald og dronning Sonja er at de får en ny svigersønn som er like.. som den forrige,


"He isn't a shaman, but a charlatan. He is curing people with healing and then he claims he can cure cancer and other good things.
That he can allow himself to say that he can enter the body and twist what is going on in chromosomes and the atoms and that he can twist and influence it so that we can live longer , that's a bunch of terrible arch-nonsense all of it. What is almost sad for King Harald and Queen Sonja is that they are getting a new son-in-law who is... like the last one.

Jeg skiter i hva Märtha Louise gjør med kjærestene sine, enten det er hestetrenere eller biljardspillere eller folk som tror. Altså Märtha Louise har jo sagt til oss at hun kan snakke med hester og bikkjer, at hun kan snakke med bestemødre og avdøde, så hun er jo på en måte helt utafor.

"I don't give a sh*t about what Märtha Louise is doing with her boyfreinds, whether it's horse-trainers, billiad-players and people who believe. After all Märtha Louise has told us that she can talk to horses, that she can talk to grandmothers and diseased, so she is in a way (already) totally derailed.(? I'm not entirely sure about the last few words.)"

- Men, at hun driver næringsvirksomhet og tar 595 kroner billetten for å prate tull med denne nye kjæresten sin, det er næringsvirksomhet og det har jeg greie på. Det er noe som heter markedsføringsloven, og da skal man levere det man lover, sier Hegnar, som mener Märtha Louise aldri kan levere halvparten av det hun lover og det hun skal selge sammen med Shaman Durek.

"But that she is doing business and charge 595 NKK (less than half of what the Danes have to pay) a ticket to talk silliness with this new boyfriend of hers, that's doing business and I have problems with that. There is something called the Legislation Regarding Marketing and according to that you must deliver what you promise. - Märthe Louise can never deliver half of what she promises and that she is about to sell alongside Shaman Durek."

- Vær gjerne forelsket og hold på med det. Stikk til skogs opp i Lommedalen og bli der, men ikke driv næringsvirksomhet med tullete tanker og på en måte forlede folk til å tro at du kan helbrede folk for kreft eller endre atomene i kroppen min. Det er bare til å le seg ihjel av,

"Do be in love and keep on being that. Go into the woods up in Lomme Valley (a beautiful spot!) and stay there, but don't do have a commercial business with silly thought and somehow misguide people to think you can cure people of cancer or other atoms in my body. It's to laugh yourself to death over."

Hegner goes on to encourage ML to go home to her parents and take her love, her joy and preferably take her new beau with her.

- Men du må ikke drive forretninger i Norge. Det er bare helt skjørt.

"But you are not to do business in Norway. That's just totally crazy."

- Jeg skulle ønske at kong Harald kalte henne inn og ga henne et rapp på rumpa. Når de får spørsmål om næringsvirksomheten, og ikke kjærligheten - den kan du ha for deg selv, den driter jeg i - men når de da får spørsmål om næringsvirksomheten, da sier de bare «det kan vi ikke uttale oss om, da må dere snakke med hennes sekretær». Sånt går ikke vet du.

"I'd wish King Harald called her in and spanked her on her bottum.
When they get questions about the business, not the love, you can keep that to yourselv, I don't give a crap about that - but when they are asked about the business, then they just say: We can't talk about that, you must talk to her secretary.
- That won't do, you know."

- Det er fint at man kan tro på at det finnes noe annet mellom himmel og jord en det vi har i hodet, men ikke driv og selg det til andre.

"It's fine that you believe there is more between heaven and earth than what we have in our heads, but turn it into a business and sell it to others."

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- Phew! the blood-pressure be high in this one!
A tricky translation since I tried to stay as close to what and how he said it as possible. I still hope it makes sense.

You can watch the video of him here:
https://www.hegnar.no/TV/video/a9048...80348-78451fca

https://www.hegnar.no/Nyheter/Naerin...e-seg-ihjel-av

Now, I know to little about Norwegian press to give a background on Hegner.
What little I have learned suggests he is a controversial figure with strong opinions, apparently not least against ML.

ML and Durek have been asked for a comment and that goes like this:
Vi har ingen kommentarer til Hegnars respektløse karakteristikker. Han må få lov til å mene det han vil

"We have no comments to Hegnars disrespectful characteristics. He is allowed to have the opinion he has."
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Princess Martha-Louise and her boyfriend Durek Verrett arrive at their workshop in Copenhagen for todays workshop with the title ''The Princess and the Shaman''.

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Thanks, Eya.

To my surprise we actually have a report from the Danish press from the session today - it's otherwise politics 24/7 these days here in DK.
https://www.bt.dk/kendte/norsk-prins...rinsesseboksen

As you know the press were not allowed to ask questions or take photos during the session.
Around 70 people had shown up for The Princess and the Shaman, Activation Divinity.

They were told to look deep in the eyes of the one sitting next to them, while chanting: "Let your light grow." And realize they were in reality looking at themselves.
Durek told them it was about quantum physics (!!) and about being ambassadors of love.
Combined with deep breaths, some of the participants smiled, others teared up.
All the participants were Scandinavian women, aged 8-70 or so.

People let go of their shoes and relaxed while Shaman gave his lecture, danced around, whooping and ML talked about breaking out of "your box" that other are trying to put you in, and about being in contact with yourself.

ML talked about how she never felt she belonged in the royal family, and didn't fit into the princess-box. She was too wild, too fond of action and couldn't reconcile herself with her duties as princess.

She joked: "I dreamed that my real parents would one day come and take me with them."

She told about how she broke away from the NRF and how the public reaction was. How she was called crazy and laughed at.
"I cannot recognize what the press is writing about me. They try to put me into a box, but I don't want to go in there."

There were several journalists present among the 70 attendees, all having paid 950 DKK. (70 X 950 DKK = 66.500 DKK = roughly 10.000 $)
Durek told them he wouldn't let the press ruin his internal energy.
He talked about how the press often use doctors and other professionals to take apart his methods. But the doctors don't understand him, because they don't understand his world. They insist on putting him into a box.
He went on:
"My world is free of prejudice. A logic person would examine shamanism. An illogical and ignorant person simply determine that my methods cannot work.
That's how you limit the society. That's how societies die."

- Well, if ML feel she doesn't really belong in the NRF and that being a princess is so far removed from her personality and what she want's to do, why doesn't she give up her title? - Asks this ignorant and illogical person writing this post...
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The couple attended the wedding of Princess Alexandra of Berleburg and Count Michael Ahlefeldt-Laurvig-Bille in Denmark yesterday:


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And the following articles include some short videos of today's workshop attendance:


** nrk.no: NRKs reporter på prinsesse-workshop: Krampegråt, risting og skriking **


** vg.no: Prinsesse Märtha Louise og Durek Verrett gjester i hemmelig bryllup i Danmark **
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ML talked about how she never felt she belonged in the royal family, and didn't fit into the princess-box. She was too wild, too fond of action and couldn't reconcile herself with her duties as princess.

She joked: "I dreamed that my real parents would one day come and take me with them."
That's a terrible and hurtful thing to say, she must know it'll be reported by the media and get back to her parents.

She wants it both ways, the title and status with no responsibility but all the privileges

Seeing she has such little regard for her heritage she SHOULD give up her title
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I would like to think she didn't mean anywhere near as unkind as it sounds.
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I would like to think she didn't mean anywhere near as unkind as it sounds.
It shouldn't have been said though. How would she feel if her children said that about her. (As a parent it would devastate me.)

In the interview with Good Morning Norway TV 2 Thursday she said of her renouncing her title:
"It's not something I consider. I am a part of that family, and will still be part of it"

She seems a foolish woman who has no filter and says the first thing that comes into her head.
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What she said is very cruel. I think she wants the best of both worlds. The title and status and privileges of being a member of a royal family and the freedom to be an ordinary person. I also think she should give up the title for the sake of the monarchy. What if she was the heir to the throne? fear
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- Well, if ML feel she doesn't really belong in the NRF and that being a princess is so far removed from her personality and what she want's to do, why doesn't she give up her title? - Asks this ignorant and illogical person writing this post...
The statements by ML and her boyfriend during their "show" were interesting. They are hucksters-pure and simple.

I agree-at this point she needs to lose the "Princess" title-she can still be a member of her "family" without it--even though, from her own words, she doesn't really seem to care much.
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