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Old 10-17-2020, 05:31 PM
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Ahhh... George Harrison made the mistake once stating that jelly beans were his favorite treat. I love jelly beans but damn... that never connected me at all with George.

They share a mutual heritage from the past but I don't believe that "drew" them together any more than me eating jelly beans would draw me closer to George.
It would, however, certainly ease the conversation and subject matters on the first date.
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Old 10-18-2020, 03:51 AM
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Ahhh... George Harrison made the mistake once stating that jelly beans were his favorite treat. I love jelly beans but damn... that never connected me at all with George.

They share a mutual heritage from the past but I don't believe that "drew" them together any more than me eating jelly beans would draw me closer to George.
I share the same birthday (different year) as George Harrison, that's a closer connection than jelly beans.

As far as the sham's Norwegian roots, saying it, doesn't make it so. He needs to take a DNA ethnicity test.
Something tells me he didn't start this "look, I'm Norwegian, too" business until after staking eyes on the Princess. Oh my
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Old 10-18-2020, 05:30 AM
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I am a history buff but I don’t get the whole DNA ethnicity crap. Sorry but I watch those commercials where people suddenly learn they are a different culture and it’s a change. If your ethnic culture is so far back you don’t know it without a test it doesn’t impact who you are. I am British, Irish and German. I know that as my family in living memory came from there. That’s where our traditions and such come from.

He is not Norwegian. Just another desperate claim as his link to Martha and her name. Any more then if I found out my Scottish ancestors had some Viking blood. Next thing he will be claiming he is descended from ancient Norway kings. Or some great explorer.
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Old 10-18-2020, 05:51 AM
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^^^Exactly that.
And of course he will find more ways to be connected to her. Because, you know, their's is a meaningful connection.
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Old 10-18-2020, 06:29 AM
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Some norwegian genalogists have looked into the norwegian ancestry thing. Their conclusion is that it's false. If you're a history buff, check out especially the post on page 9 in this thread (the ones at the bottom).
https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/2...ssiden/page/9/
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Old 10-18-2020, 06:45 AM
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Some norwegian genalogists have looked into the norwegian ancestry thing. Their conclusion is that it's false. If you're a history buff, check out especially the post on page 9 in this thread (the ones at the bottom).
https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/2...ssiden/page/9/
Doesn't realy matter does it? he is a tiresome idiot who will say anything to get attention and to further his connextion with Martha L. Why not just ignore his meanderings.
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Old 10-18-2020, 07:27 AM
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Doesn't realy matter does it? he is a tiresome idiot who will say anything to get attention and to further his connextion with Martha L. Why not just ignore his meanderings.
As a keen genealogis myself, I would have been interested in researching a similar case if it happened in Sweden. Not because he's a nice person, but because I love genalogy and researching mysteries.
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Old 10-18-2020, 08:12 AM
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As a keen genealogis myself, I would have been interested in researching a similar case if it happened in Sweden. Not because he's a nice person, but because I love genalogy and researching mysteries.
I gather a lot of these DNA tests aren't that accurate.. and its the sort of thing that the shaman would say, he's suddenly discovered he's Norwegian.. blah blah.
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Old 10-18-2020, 08:14 AM
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Some norwegian genalogists have looked into the norwegian ancestry thing. Their conclusion is that it's false. If you're a history buff, check out especially the post on page 9 in this thread (the ones at the bottom).
https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/2...ssiden/page/9/
Very interesting discussion and precise! Thank you.
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Old 10-18-2020, 08:39 AM
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Some norwegian genalogists have looked into the norwegian ancestry thing. Their conclusion is that it's false. If you're a history buff, check out especially the post on page 9 in this thread (the ones at the bottom).
https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/2...ssiden/page/9/

That's very interesting, thank you!

So to sum up, it was the shaman's step-grandfather, not his grandfather, who was Norwegian and he is therefore not actually part Norwegian as he claims. He has also claimed to have Russian ancestry but no evidence has been found of that either. The same goes for his claim that his grandmother was a shaman as well.
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Old 10-18-2020, 08:48 AM
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Hmm, interesting discussion on that board. So it seems he's either lying or was mistaken about family history. It's also possible that he had a part Norwegian unofficial step-grandfather. And it seems like a lot of his family were in fact well off black Catholics in France not shamans. In itself it doesn't really matter if he does or doesn't but it becomes part of a long line of "what will he say next?"

I think those that said he would probably up "long line of Norwegian Oracles" in his book to "ancient line of Kings" eventually.
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Old 10-18-2020, 08:59 AM
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Actually, knowing my genetic roots was interesting to find out. My daughter had me have it done as that's a field of interest for her. I was adopted as a baby but the results show that my Irish roots centralize in the same area of Ireland that my adoptive father's family came from (Ballinrobe, Mayo). Other than that, it is what it is.

The Shaman harping on ancestral DNA from Norway tells me this man is grasping at straws to present the idea that the two of them were mystically and magically drawn together even from opposite sides of the globe. Its a lot of hooey if you ask me.
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Old 10-18-2020, 09:26 AM
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It is IMO always beneficial to take a completely opposite view on things - all things - and see where it leads.

I am going to suggest that the conman is being conned.

We have Durek.
Obviously a conman. Whether he actually believes in himself is an interesting question. Judging form his inconsistent and easy to deflate claims, that also seem to change with events, I think it's safe to say that he does believe in his own nonsense. Or that he has an alternative perception of reality.
Any cool professional, would set up a much more convincing story, come up with much more convincing explanations and not allow himself to be caught with his pants down all the time.
So Durek IMO clearly believes in this pseudo-religion that shamanism has become.
Unfortunately a lot of other people (be they desperate or not) tend to believe in this and him as well. Enough of them certainly for him to create and be able to live comfortably of his own fortune.

Then we have ML.
An egoistic person. In her many and elaborate stories about self-realization she constantly talks about... herself. She never seems to consider that perhaps her brother had similar misgivings about his life and destiny and that her own actions may have caused her family and people unnecessary concern and even grief.
She has, in the light of MM's illness, not offered to return to the royal fold and shoulder some of the burden. On the contrary, she has persisted in talking up and down how hard her life as a royal was.
She lives well above her means. Her debt is a testament to that. Her need to sell otherwise solid assets like property is also a testament to that fact. There have been many stories in the Norwegian press about her financial predicaments.
She has a known history for testing her boundaries.
She tried, and failed, to set up an "angel-school" or whatever it was. - Some could say that is an easy way of earning money, while doing as little as possible...
Not many buy, let alone wish to pay for, her tenuous concept of being extra sensitive and being able to communicate with angles and what not. My impression is that she in contrast to Durek, simply isn't convincing enough.
- The best liars or those who believe in their own lies.
But whatever you may say about ML she's not stupid.
If she loves him, she may see Durek's claims as charming eccentricities. If she thinks like most of us here, she will most likely see right through them and perhaps even think: Hello, sucker.

Now, what has ML to offer to Durek?
Her title. She is undeniable a genuine princess, from a real life royal family.
Her connections. People in royal circles and high society, who could be potential costumers - or at least be used for name-dropping. - Or so she gives the impression...
A big official stamp of approval. The stamp of supplier to the royal court does mean something!
The royal allure. Prince Durek... That does have a good sound. Whether he becomes a Norwegian prince is irrelevant and a mere detail. I imagine the royal connection would appeal very much to Durek! He used to be a pharaoh, remember...

But what has Durek to offer ML?
Money.
Connections. Wealthy connections.
A much more professional platform. In comparison to Durek, it is my opinion, that ML is a mere amateur.
Durek's talents for shall we say persuading clients from parting with their money, combined with her royal affiliation, could give the pair of them an advantage. Advantage = money.

What has ML given Durek?
Not much actually.
She has no money. Few clients worth mentioning. Basically she has only lend her royal aura, and that doesn't cost her anything - but some bad press in Norway.

What has Durek given ML?
Free stays in USA with all expenses paid, including holidaying in locations that are above her own means. Like Hawaii.
Connections and opportunities.
Remember they were just about to launch their joint venture, where ML's royal status was accidentally and very conveniently mentioned, when Corona set in. Who knows what it might have led to? And there is still time.

Will they get married?
IMO a likely possibility.
It could be an advantage for both parties.
Durek gets married to a real life princess. Good for business - and his own self-image.
ML marries into money and a much more successful business. If this goes well, they will together earn even more money and they don't even have to spend that much time together.
But why shouldn't they have a merry time together? Durek is seemingly entertaining and funny and judging from his reports from their gettogethers he's eating out of her hand. All she has to do is bang the bongos from time to time or talk about spirits.
Should they divorce ML should be able to secure a most comfortable settlement. Any good lawyer should be able to fleece Durek for at least a very good part of his fortune.

So is Durek being conned? Has he found someone who is better at the game than he is?

There are indications hinting towards the fact that Durek has been heckled.
His way over the top messages of love and praise for ML could indicate that he has genuinely fallen for ML. Admittedly such flowery language is his style, but if they were two conmen who have gotten together, surely there would be no such need for such a public spectacle?
If he is sure of her love, why continue to embark on this full scale courting-offensive?

So, perhaps things are not a clear cut as it may seem?

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You can rest assured that the Norwegian Police Intelligence Service have long since asked their colleagues in the FBI about Durek. Just as the Norwegian Foreign Ministry have quietly made inquiries to the US foreign ministry about Durek. That would be the duty of any government.
But it is not against the law, not even for royals, to be connected with people with a questionable background.
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Old 10-18-2020, 02:13 PM
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Muhler, you always have a wealth of Information, I like to read what you have to say. Thank you. As for Martha Louise, I wish she wake up from this trance and smell the coffee. I am sure there is a great man in Norway or some where, who will love her for herself, not the Title. This may be a bit harsh, she only think of her own needs and wants,not of her children, they should be her first priority and also her family.
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Old 10-18-2020, 02:30 PM
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Muhler, you make a very compelling case for ML being the grifter (or an equal partner) here, and yes, it is good to remember two can indeed play this game, and that the princess is neither particularly stupid nor innocent. But I do think she is the more vulnerable one. Between her lack of a criminal history (or exes saying "I fear for Durek") or pathological lying, her three minor and bereaved children in sole custody, and least of all, her very public position, she has a lot more to lose here if and when things go sour.

Verrett isn't sure enough of their relationship. Whether that's his neediness or his grip on her, who knows, but that's why the courtship bombardment continues.
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Old 10-18-2020, 03:56 PM
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Well done Muhler!

I have grown tired of the "poor Martha Louise being conned" posts and those making Derek out to be a big bad wolf.

I have always thought and still firmly believe that Martha Louise is a grown woman who knows what she is doing. She is not some young, immature, lovesick teenager who is being taken advantage of .

The fact that there is mutual adoration (as seen on their Instagram posts) means that Martha Louise is happy and clearly benefiting from the relationship in some way or shape.
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Old 10-18-2020, 04:51 PM
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She is not some young, immature, lovesick teenager
The problem is, that is exactly what she has been acting like, unfortunately not with the most reputable partner.

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who is being taken advantage of .
Whether she is or not, she's vulnerable, and there are enough red flags to make the situation worrisome. Saying "she's a grown woman so there's nothing to be done and it will probably be fine" doesn't make it less worrisome.
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Old 10-18-2020, 05:37 PM
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The problem is, that is exactly what she has been acting like, unfortunately not with the most reputable partner.

Whether she is or not, she's vulnerable, and there are enough red flags to make the situation worrisome. Saying "she's a grown woman so there's nothing to be done and it will probably be fine" doesn't make it less worrisome.
Actually, what it does is put the agency firmly, squarely in her own self, as a grown ADULT. There has been a disturbing undercurrent in this thread that she is, simply as a woman, somehow more vulnerable to this "conman" who has come into her life.

Muhler, quite rightly, points out that ML has, herself, seemed more than willing to fleece people with her own brand of New Age spiritual exploration in these "angel schools" but been rather unsuccessful. She is, IMO, no more reputable than the shaman, but has gotten away with it, protected by her status as a royal princess.

Take those two items together - royal princess and woman and we are given the ultimate gender trope of "damsel in distress." It is easy to fall for that trope but I must say, I rather applaud Muhler for looking beyond that and breaking down why we might very well be mistaken in believing that ML is the more vulnerable party in this equation or that she stands nothing to gain from the relationship.
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Old 10-18-2020, 06:09 PM
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Well, I am not really surprised that Durek's claim about his supposed Norwegian heritage turned out to be false. He really is a very complex character.
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:20 AM
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I am a history buff but I don’t get the whole DNA ethnicity crap. Sorry but I watch those commercials where people suddenly learn they are a different culture and it’s a change. If your ethnic culture is so far back you don’t know it without a test it doesn’t impact who you are. I am British, Irish and German. I know that as my family in living memory came from there. That’s where our traditions and such come from.

He is not Norwegian. Just another desperate claim as his link to Martha and her name. Any more then if I found out my Scottish ancestors had some Viking blood. Next thing he will be claiming he is descended from ancient Norway kings. Or some great explorer.
I'm going to venture that were sham Durek to take a DNA test it would show he is 99.9% not Norwegian. I don't think he has a solid sense of who he is at this point having made up so many stories about himself over the years, given his need to embellish and fabricate, having told so many big whoppers (lies). Muhler's post implying who is really the con, Durek or ML provided excellent insight into their ongoing relationship. I think these two have some (major) mental health issues independent of one another. Together, this can't end well. It's kinda sad but on the other hand, buckle up and hang on for the ride.

Regarding DNA testing, not everyone knows their genetic background. Many people who are adopted still have no information about their birth family's ethnicity or where they come from. Displaced people or those raised away from their families of origin lack, what I consider, important information. There are several commercial labs that offer genetic testing related to ethnicity. Are they as reliable as, say, for example Mayo Clinic's Department of Clinical Genomics used in medical diagnostics and research, most likely not.

Regarding commercial DNA ethnicity tests; I've thought about taking a test, it might be fun to see what pops up in my own Daly Herring/red haired blue eyed tree.
For those interested I found an article rating the current commercial DNA testing sites. https://www.verywellhealth.com/best-...g-kits-4171686
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