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Old 06-09-2019, 06:16 AM
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It is not entirely surprising to me that the percentage who say she should lose the title is low. Tradition holds much weight in a mainly ceremonial monarchy, and stripping the title would institute a considerable change from European traditions (traditionally, it was common for even the worst of kings to keep their titles).

It is more surprising that the percentage saying she should keep the title has risen from 2010. I suppose that many people, in particular the voters who reached their majority after 2010 and grew up hearing about Princess Märtha Louise's angel school, have grown accustomed to her commercial strategies and self-promotion and do not see a major difference between her "lessons" and Mr. Verrett's.



I would have liked to see a question as to if Princess Märtha Louise should be using her title in this manner.




Yes, the figures suggest that Princess Märtha Louise is seen as irrelevant to the monarchy rather than an asset to it.
Prince or Princess are titles acquired by birth. It is unusual to be stripped of a princely title except, in the past in Denmark and Sweden, for unequal marriages. I actually find the percentage of respondents who favor stripping ML of her title quite high (25 %) considering how unusual that would be.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:52 PM
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Okay, let's learn what Svensk Damtidning's reporter had to say about the session with Shaman, she took part in.
Courtesy of the scans, LadyFinn, kindly provided for us.

The reporter, Anna von Koch, decided to follow the whole thing with an open mind.
It started with everyone being told to breathe deeply while tapping two fingers against their wrists.
Then Sham calls on good spirits and angels and opens a gate to the universe that will fill everyone with love and power. And here some begin to sob while others laugh hysterically.
The whole thing clearly has an effect on the around 50 presents. Some begin to rock back and forth on their chairs while others move their heads in a circle like in a trance.
A man howls like a wolf while a woman pretends to give birth.
The reporter actually finds it upsetting when a woman sitting behind her begins to growl like a lion.

The purpose is to find your true self and the reporter admits that Shaman has a strong charisma, preaching to those present to "take in the light."
When he tells those present to get rid of their bad energies, some begin to shake and cough. The reporter finds it intensive, like someone suffocating.

The reporter tries to go along, drumming away and breathing deeply - yet, she feels nothing. Looking around she notice she is not only one, being unaffected. Shaman notice that as well.
He doesn't blame anyone though. He explains that the road to the true self is different for different people. He tells the reporter that it is the will of the spirits that she remains calm.

After the session some are crying quietly and others are hugging each other.

The session lasted three hours and the reporter noticed that Shaman was heard and seen more during the session (he filled the room) while ML was more analytical and reasoning.

The reporter ends by concluding that the session was enriching and that it was interesting to hear the wisdom of life from both Shaman and ML.
It is a course in love, patience and respect.

- I will add that this is of course a quid pro quo. Svensk Damtidning gets this exclusive as well as an interview - in return they are not too critical.

And on another note: ML's "angel school" is that equivalent to the post above in which Astroshow lie to people about being in contact with their dead relatives?
In other words: Is ML claiming to be in contact with dead people on behalf of grieving relatives? Even if her "message" is reassuring.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:58 PM
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In other words: Is ML claiming to be in contact with dead people on behalf of grieving relatives? Even if her "message" is reassuring.
Her former partner in business talked the same stuff like the Shaman, but without the "ancestors". This is called New Age...
https://youtu.be/Vyd6jt1lB2E
skip to minute 11:00 (may be I skipped the good stuff...)

There are other vids to find on youtube with "märtha Luise angel school" and they are all in nowegian... So, no, I can't answer your question.

But anyway, do we really want to find out?
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:51 PM
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Thanks, Victor1319

Yes, I'd like to know. Because it provides another facet to ML's personality.

I watched some of the video and If I'm to sum up: To my ears it sounded like: Blah, blah, very tenuous explanations, blah, blah.

Don't get me wrong. People can believe they can communicate with spirits and angels from now on until the cows come home. Whatever makes them happy. Whatever they believe in, fine, that's people's private matter.
It's just that to my ears what was said in the video is nonsense.

It's even more nonsense, when it's used to explain the "basis" of a commercial business.

To illustrate: I once saw a documentary about a teenage girl living somewhere in Eastern Europe, who claimed to be in possession of abilities to "see" things. Like what kind of illness people suffered from and so on.
People came to see her from the region she lived in and they firmly believed in her skills. And she didn't profit from her "skills", that was a gift from God, as far as she and those who believed in her felt and I believe she and the locals felt it would be immoral to profit from such a blessing.
She also firmly believed in her skills and as such she was perfectly willing to undergo scientific tests in a controlled environment.
She failed. She wasn't able to "see" more or less than the average person undergoing the same tests.
While I believe this shook her personally, it did not rock the conviction of those in her country who still believed she was somehow "blessed."
- That I can respect. She didn't try to profit from her supposed abilities. She simply tried to do good. Nor did she try to "explain" anything, it was simply a divine gift as she saw it, and she just used that "gift" to the best of her abilities while being thankful to God for being able to do so. You don't try and explain gifts from God. Nor did she claim to really understand her "gift."
So there were no "twisted atoms" nor any "ancestors" from her mouth to explain what I believe was a statistical fluke combined with a good deal of placebo effect and a lot of empathy.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:01 PM
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Prince or Princess are titles acquired by birth. It is unusual to be stripped of a princely title except, in the past in Denmark and Sweden, for unequal marriages. I actually find the percentage of respondents who favor stripping ML of her title quite high (25 %) considering how unusual that would be.
Well, as you can see from my two previous posts, the number is even ''higher'' in other surveys (over 30%). And the percentage of those who want her to keep the title is usually around the same level, except for when she is under ''heavy'' criticism from the media, such as in 2010 and now in 2019 - when the number is at over 50% (I give an opinion on why in post 215).
So I don't think many here in this country think of it as ''unusual to be stripped of a princely title,'' especially not when several commentators and so-called experts (in newspapers and TV-debates) have asked for it to happen since 2007. Yes, twelve-years with talk about it. And most Norwegians probably have no idea that it is so ''unusual'' either.

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Is ML claiming to be in contact with dead people on behalf of grieving relatives? Even if her "message" is reassuring.
The angel-school have sold courses where various mediums have been hired in ''to teach people to speak with the dead.''
Does she claim to have contact with them herself? Yes, she has previously said: ''Det er ikke vanskelig å komme i kontakt med de døde heller, på samme måte som med englene. Også den kontakten kan vi opprette når som helst, når vi ønsker det.''
''It's not difficult to get in contact with the dead either, just like the angels. Also that is a contact we can create at any time, whenever we want.''
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:19 PM
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So, Märtha Luise and her fellows are not so far away from german cable tv, where you can talk to your dead grandma for some hefty money...

Ouch!

Hopefully this is not her motivation for her new love to the Shaman - I hope she sees him for what he is - either a lightly crazy or a con man - and not as her personal Obama-Meghan.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:14 AM
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I saw PML on Hest360. It's like she has different personalities. On Hest360, she seems very likable, fun, outgoing. But then in her spiritual world, her persona seems more serious, subdued, even less pretty, .. and I would run a mile in the opposite direction.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:41 AM
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Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett were spotted in London:


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Old 06-14-2019, 11:23 AM
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Princess Marta Louise posted a new picture with Durek


https://www.instagram.com/p/BysZpuViVfp/

Princess Martha Louise and Durek support the Mandela Mile today in New York

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzUGRBZoz2Y/

Martha Louise ,Durek and Gwyneth at Hamptons!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz8suaRC-28/
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:17 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, I was born in another millennium, but what's "Happy Hacks"?
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:36 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, I was born in another millennium, but what's "Happy Hacks"?

I am pretty sure it derives from "computer hacking", invading a computer system - like "life hacks", which are tricks to make life easier, what would make "happy hacks" tricks to achieve happiness.
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:49 PM
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Shaman Durek must have an impressing dressing Room
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:36 PM
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Princess Marta Louise posted a new picture with Durek


https://www.instagram.com/p/BysZpuViVfp/
Obviously she is very much in love… and sincere...
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Old 06-30-2019, 02:53 AM
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Oh The Princess is amazing
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:00 PM
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Gallery from the Mandela Mile
ROYAL: Märtha Louise und ihr Freund Shamane Durek Verrett beim Mandela Mile Event in New York
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Not exactly a huge crowd. If it wasn't for PML, there would be no one!
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:24 AM
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Märtha Louise posted a photo with Gwyneth Paltrow.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz8suaRC-28/
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MM is also following Gwyneth Paltrow, I wonder if she's friends with her or knows her too or if she is following because of the celebrity status.
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:43 PM
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MM is also following Gwyneth Paltrow, I wonder if she's friends with her or knows her too or if she is following because of the celebrity status.
Mette-Marit has been good friends with Gwyneth Paltrow, Marie Chantal of Greece and Rosario of Bulgaria for a long time. Other members of that set were Madonna and Stella McCartney.
Mette-Marit and Haakon are friendly with many in the European jetset and were guests at the religious wedding of Pierre Casiraghi and Beatrice Borromeo. Other friends are the designer Valentino Garravani and the deceased journalist and editor of Vogue Italia Franca Sozzani.
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MM is also following Gwyneth Paltrow, I wonder if she's friends with her or knows her too or if she is following because of the celebrity status.
If i'm not mistaken her boyfriend is Gwyneth Paltrow's go-to healer. I am not sure whether ML met him through her or the other way around.
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