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Old 05-28-2019, 04:54 PM
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She used to attend most state functions alone when married to Ari, so there is no need at all to invite a boyfriend of a few months.

Actually in Norway she did not attend much official Events like State Banquets, official Dinners etc. Think the last time she attended at State Banquet was at the SV of then Queen Beatrix. Usually she was present at Family celebrations but not more.
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I'm going to jump in on this very interesting thread here. I've thought about it for a while and first off, I'd like to say that I don't question anyone's spiritual path as its a road with may pathways, exits, u-turns and most definitely pot holes that'll put your heart in your throat when you hit one. Its a learning experience and to me, the most important part is the actual seeking and growing along with it. One has to learn what doesn't work in order to realize what really does work for oneself.

My take on "The Shaman" is something that quite a few people have run into on their own paths. I used to call these "gurus" peddlers of "How to be a shaman in a weekend for $34,2342.07. The "tour" this guy is doing now isn't even close to a weekend. Its a one time admittance ticket for a show that lasts a couple of hours from what I understand.

I wish Martha Louise and her "shaman" the best of relationships if this is what really works for them. I do have a problem taking their spiritual beliefs on the road for profit but sadly, there are a lot of people out there all too willing to invest in having someone tell them what their spirituality path is. I don't believe that their intent is to cause harm but then again, we've seen well meaning people influencing how one thinks end badly. There was Heaven's Gate with Marshall Applewhite, Jim Jones and the People's Temple and David Koresh and the Branch Davidians to list some notorious ones.

I just sincerely hope that Martha Louise doesn't end up being hurt or disillusioned. Her title of "princess" doesn't come into question for me as its part of who she really is or if she does "royal duties" or not. It bothers me that she may be being led down a costly garden path into a mud bog that may cause her more harm than good.

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I just sincerely hope that Martha Louise doesn't end up being hurt or disillusioned. Her title of "princess" doesn't come into question for me as its part of who she really is or if she does "royal duties" or not. It bothers me that she may be being led down a costly garden path into a mud bog that may cause her more harm than good.

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Wondering whether you also think that her using her title as princess to promote these sessions and make of profit of it, is acceptable, given your serious concerns with making a profit out of this type of activities.
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Old 05-28-2019, 07:03 PM
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Wondering whether you also think that her using her title as princess to promote these sessions and make of profit of it, is acceptable, given your serious concerns with making a profit out of this type of activities.
No. I do not think its appropriate to use one's title or any title that serves to draw a person into believing that because of a "title", they know what they're talking about. IMO, they're *both* advertising to draw people because of some grand title such as "shaman" and "princess". The allure of this road show would be much less successful if they billed it as Durek and Martha as then they'd be perceived as two human beings with a "path" aimed on raking in the green dollars.

Case in point is myself. I could very easily set up a website and offer a "path" of spirituality based in Native American, Scottish traditional old ways and even include the ancient Kemetic religion of Egypt. Which would draw people more to "believe" me? Osipi or Rev. Osipi EWM? (just part of the my long, long extensive search for my own truths).

If this "shaman" and "princess" truly has gifts and is preaching love, light and laughter, IMO, the gift is in the sharing and making our world a better place rather than a hefty bank account. There even was, once upon a time, a teacher that overturned money changers tables stating "My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
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No. I do not think its appropriate to use one's title or any title that serves to draw a person into believing that because of a "title", they know what they're talking about. IMO, they're *both* advertising to draw people because of some grand title such as "shaman" and "princess". The allure of this road show would be much less successful if they billed it as Durek and Martha as then they'd be perceived as two human beings with a "path" aimed on raking in the green dollars.

Case in point is myself. I could very easily set up a website and offer a "path" of spirituality based in Native American, Scottish traditional old ways and even include the ancient Kemetic religion of Egypt. Which would draw people more to "believe" me? Osipi or Rev. Osipi EWM? (just part of the my long, long extensive search for my own truths).

If this "shaman" and "princess" truly has gifts and is preaching love, light and laughter, IMO, the gift is in the sharing and making our world a better place rather than a hefty bank account. There even was, once upon a time, a teacher that overturned money changers tables stating "My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Thanks for the clarification. It seems we agree: I am also fine with her staying a princess (I don't really understand the business of taking titles away) but a clear prohibition by the king not to ever use 'princess' as part of her marketing/business endeavors again might be needed to preserve the dignity of the royal house.
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Old 05-28-2019, 07:51 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. It seems we agree: I am also fine with her staying a princess (I don't really understand the business of taking titles away) but a clear prohibition by the king not to ever use 'princess' as part of her marketing/business endeavors again might be needed to preserve the dignity of the royal house.
I fully agree with you ! Very well said !
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I believe she was back in the US yesterday? Utah, I think.
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Old 05-30-2019, 01:45 AM
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Article in Svensk Damtidning last week.
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In this week's issue Svensk Damtidning publishes the interview of the couple.
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Old 05-30-2019, 05:33 AM
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I fully agree with you ! Very well said !
She wants the best of both worlds...the Royal title got her wings,and now she's in for a shaman?Oh really...love is blind as the word goes
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Old 05-30-2019, 02:49 PM
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And here is the exclusive interview with Billed Bladet.

Summary of interview in Billed Bladet #22, 2019.
Interviewer: Marianne Singer.

- With no comments from me.

Summary of article in Billed Bladet #22, 2019.
Interviewer: Marianne Singer.

This interview took place during the Danish leg of The Princess and the Shaman tour, as an exclusive for the Danish press BTW.

As you know the press has been more than critical of ML and her Shaman and to that Durek says: “It’s a test of your love, isn’t it? If you truly love someone unconditionally, you will walk through fire with them. I’m not the man who runs away from her, because things gets difficult. What kind of man would I be then?”
ML adds: “It’s true. Men should do that more often – stand by their women. During my upbringing I always felt guilty over the press pursuing my friends and sweethearts. But now I have reconciled myself with that. We must come through this together.”

Durek does not hide his feelings: “I honor her, I worship her, I love her.”

Their first meeting, in the words of Durek: “The first time I saw her… the light… It was a beautiful day in Los Angeles and I lived in this here very beautiful and remote house that I rented and which had a really nice zen-garden you had to go through in order to get to my door. To see her open the big wooden-doors and stand there with the light and the energy she radiated. She walked through the door – so fast and I thought: OK… and then she said…”

ML contonues the narrative: “I said: I know you already. I’ve met you before.”

Shaman: “And I said in a I-know-just-what-you-mean-way: Yeah, it was written in the stars that we were to meet. And then my niece looked at me with a look in her eyes that said: Cool it, uncle.”

There wasn’t time for romance back then in Los Angeles though. But that came later.
Durek: “Only later on in our relationship, when she visited me in New York, did we get time alone together. And then it began to develop naturally from there.”

ML: “We were close friends for a long time.”

Shaman explains that it was important for him, before starting a relationship to see that ML could be genuine and herself in her role as Princess, something that was confirmed when she visited his family.
“In my family we are very colorful, full of joy and very merry. We are very intellectual and really funny people. So I wanted to see if she would fit in. She did and everyone loved her.”

ML: “It was fantastic! I love his family. It was wonderful and really fun. They are very open and direct and I love that.”

Shaman: “They all have my abilities, so you can’t hide anything. They can see and feel things.”

ML: “And I love that, because I have never been with a family where you can that.”

Shaman: “You can’t get away with anything, because then suddenly a member of the family will step into the room and say: I have just been speaking with the ancestors and the decision you are about to make is not the right one.
So they are very open about their skills. That I think has been very refreshing for your, right?”

ML: “Yes, definitely.”

But Durek has also met her family.
That happened on 17th May.
ML: “It was lovely.” But apart from that she does not wish to elaborate.

Shaman: “I can definitely say that it’s wonderful to be with her family. I love them. I truly love them.

Shaman is born and raised in Sacramento, California, with mother Sheilah and father, David. And one episode from his youth has made a big impression on both Shaman and ML. One day he was about to go out the door to meet some friends: “On the way out the door my mother says there is a message from my ancestors. With the sweetest voice (mimicking the voice) she says: Darling, you are going to fall in love with the princess of Norway. When the time is right and have matured a lot more and become more humble and don’t get crossed so easily.
And I said: OK, mum. Really?
Then she continued: Darling. It’s what the ancestors are saying. It’s the vision I have had. You don’t believe it, but wait and see. There is someone who will introduce you. Don’t question it. It will happen. It’s written in the stars.
And I thought: Ah, really, the princess of Norway. How is that sort of going to happen?
At the time I lived in San Francisco and had never been to Norway. Then I went over to my friends a little irritated and told them about it. And now that we are together all my friends have contacted me and said: Do you remember?”

On this tour they went on stage together for the first time.
Shaman: “It was fantastic. I wanted to show her the biggest possible respect. She contains so much wisdom and knowledge and I did not want to be in the way of that in any way. Because she is so clever/smart and when I see her speak I become sort of… sigh. That’s why I’m in love with her. It’s so lovely to see someone you love, be so articulated and enchanting in the way she presents herself, speak, share, and the way she is open. It was beautiful for me to see.”

ML: “It was real fun. There were many new ideas. It’s a creative process, because it’s the first time we do it together. We supplement each other. It just flowed.”

What happens in the future is not yet determined. So far ML lives in Norway with her three children, while Shaman will soon move back to Los Angeles.
Shaman: “I think the closest we come to plans for the future right now, is what we are going to do for the rest of the year. We don’t talk about the long-term future. We focus on what we can do together right now, because she has children to consider.”

ML: “We must figure it out.”

ML sums up their relationship: “I have a feeling of having come home and that our souls light up each other.”

The interview ends with a piece of advice to the reader.
Shaman: “Say seven and beautiful and nice things about and to yourself when you wake up in the morning.
Say seven things about how wonderful life is, what you learn and how you grow as a person, when you go to bed in the evening.
Every time you go out into the world, no matter the circumstances, be friendly, generous and loving towards all people.”

ML: “Have courage to live outside the box and exist outside the box. Follow your heart, because you are the only person who can sense whether you have strength, is happy and thriving.
Follow your inner guide and be true to yourself through it. And even if people around you look at you in a strange way and turn their backs on you, you must know that you ends up in the right place for you and you will feel whole and filled with love, when you get there (to your destination).”


- And for those of you who wish to read the interview in Danish or look at the photos, you can find it here: https://app.box.com/s/2a0yn00xhze2depzvpqyx6xcg6tkvg5r
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[QUOTE=Muhler;2226324]
Shaman is born and raised in Sacramento, California, with mother Sheilah and father, David. And one episode from his youth has made a big impression on both Shaman and ML. One day he was about to go out the door to meet some friends: “On the way out the door my mother says there is a message from my ancestors. With the sweetest voice (mimicking the voice) she says: Darling, you are going to fall in love with the princess of Norway. When the time is right and have matured a lot more and become more humble and don’t get crossed so easily.
And I said: OK, mum. Really?
Then she continued: Darling. It’s what the ancestors are saying. It’s the vision I have had. You don’t believe it, but wait and see. There is someone who will introduce you. Don’t question it. It will happen. It’s written in the stars.
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Sorry, this sounds like bad movie dialogue.
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It's so stupid, I don't have words for it. I fear that ML believes what she says. I really hope that her children have enough reasonable influence from other people.
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You are welcome.

Actually it wasn't. In my current mood I had this song in my head while translating the quotes:


As it happens, I actually like the song, but the lyrics is perfect for this interview.
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Okay, joking aside, what do I think?

Difficult to say actually.
The way they profess their love is so theatrical that either its totally genuine and mutual. Over the moon flying on the wings of love.
Or only one of them is genuinely in love. Not sure which one though. We have the Scandinavian restraint versus the perhaps more American superlative expressions.
Or this is just as much a business arrangement, in which the relationship is a relationship of convenience.

But ML is beginning to seriously annoy me, when she is talking about all the things she didn't have in her own family. By every single account and by everything they have done for her, her parents loved her and still love her. To the point of indulgence perhaps. She's not a teenager or a young inexperienced person, she is a mature woman who by now should be able to reflect at her life and her family in a more nuanced and balanced way.
And she being a mother herself, should know that being a parent is all about making bad decisions, mistakes and saying and doing the wrong things in the hope our children will get through to adulthood in reasonable shape.
That kind of reflections are missing totally IMO. ML is all about me, myself and I. By now that is such an ingrained trait in her personality, that I will have no hesitation in labeling her an egomaniac.
I don't give much about her advice. I could just as easily read them in a fortune cookie. It's banal nonsense that is of little practical use.
And since I don't believe in angels, souls, afterlife or contacting ancestors (who may not be the same as those listed on the pedigree BTW!) all that talk is meaningless to me personally. But if it helps others, who am I to say they should think like me?

Shaman.
Or charlatan as I would prefer to call him.
Apart from his own, eagerly overrated, descriptions of his own abilities and contacts with dead and living, he has shown nothing any reasonably talented heckler couldn't do much better.
He is mixing a number of folklore and old religions in one big pot, where he picks up what is useful for the occasions.
The only redeeming thing is that he may actually believe in himself. That may explain totally idiotic explanations for the "treatments" he perform. They are basically explanations for things he don't understand, hence "twisting atoms" "quantum physics" and so on.

I would label the two of them pretty harmless, if it wasn't for the fact that Shaman offer advise and treatment that goes against what doctors advice. (That is alas a current trend Durek is not alone in doing. Many who should know better do the same these days! Say vegan diet to infants, avoid vaccinations and so on and so on.)
Both of them are fleecing other people, and ML at least have no qualms about using her title in that respect, despite her eagerness to break out of the "royal box" she was put in. - Bah! Then stay out of the "royal box" if she genuinely means it! So that makes me question her sincerity very seriously.

To conclude: The two of them are indeed "Twin souls" as ML labelled it. Well, may they remain so for life (and afterlife) and not harm anyone else while being it...
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Shaman is born and raised in Sacramento, California, with mother Sheilah and father, David. And one episode from his youth has made a big impression on both Shaman and ML. One day he was about to go out the door to meet some friends: “On the way out the door my mother says there is a message from my ancestors. With the sweetest voice (mimicking the voice) she says: Darling, you are going to fall in love with the princess of Norway. When the time is right and have matured a lot more and become more humble and don’t get crossed so easily.
And I said: OK, mum. Really?
Then she continued: Darling. It’s what the ancestors are saying. It’s the vision I have had. You don’t believe it, but wait and see. There is someone who will introduce you. Don’t question it. It will happen. It’s written in the stars.
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Sorry, this sounds like bad movie dialogue.
i am not convinced by this story either... so mum has 'powers' and predicts that he will be in love with a norwegian princess. shaman runs to his friends and tells his friends (all of them presumably teenager) that mum has powers and told him a prophecy of him being in a relationship with a norwegian princess. which male kid/teenager would

a. talk about their romantic aspirations with his teenage friends
b. admit his mother does prophecies to said teenage friends
c. be at all interested in romance and princesses?

and apparently said kids still remember the shaman's mum's prophecy to remind him today of said prophecy?

it is all rather strange.
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Thank you for the translation, Muhler.

When I first read the interview, I found it nauseating, in the same way a sickly sweet dessert is nauseating. After rereading it, I am just finding it sad and a little embarrassing, as though we've all been invited to read the diary of a teenage girl who is gushing about her crush. Sad, because I have zero confidence in the authenticity of the relationship, and sad, because, as Muhler pointed out, this is a supposedly mature woman with children of her own, who has been born into a life of incredible comfort and privilege, but who apparently feels as though her birth family is some kind of unfair burden. The lack of self-awareness is a little pathetic, and I hope she doesn't look back on interviews like this with regret in the future.

All of this would be completely her private business, but she is choosing to make money off her status and her relationship, and that moves this from totally her business to something that is open for others to criticize and comment on in a way that doesn't reflect well on her judgment.
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What an interview!

And I'm still not sure, who is the villain and/or villainess here. It looks like, when the first met, Märtha started the conversation with this "I know you" line...
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Could Gwyneth Paltrow's love shaman ignite my energy field? JAN MOIR makes a date for enlightenment with a spiritual guru - but only gets pins, needles and a heap of hokum
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He has dated both men and women. His longest romance was eight years with masseur Hank Greenberg.
They ran a healing business in LA, and it was Hank who nursed Durek through his convalescence after the transplant.
The couple, who were engaged to be married, split under acrimonious circumstances in 2015.
'I loved Durek dearly and wish him all the best, but I don't have anything nice to say about him,' says Greenberg, 47.
'I have a hard time believing he is authentic based on my own personal experiences with him.
'He has immense talent and I believe in his mission that love is the answer, but I don't believe in the man any more.'
Greenberg now lives in Arizona, is in a loving relationship and happy with his life. He has been asked by Durek's management to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement, but refuses.
He feels he was left with debt when their business went bankrupt and he does not approve of how Durek becomes friendly with his rich and powerful clients.
'It's a conflict of interest for a counsellor to go after his clients. I don't think it is ethical. I would feel responsible if anyone got hurt, which is why I'm speaking up.'
For his part, Shaman Durek believes that 'my ex is going to say bad things about me because he is my ex.' And he also believes he has never been in love like he is with Princess Martha.
Gwyneth Paltrow's love shaman tries to ignite JAN MOIR's energy field _ Daily Mail Online
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the interview and that relationship really reflects bad on her judgment; she sounds so immature and selfobsessed.



As a parent one should have learned one or two things in life; like our small self isn't the center of the world... oh dear.



And for the Charlatan ... with what I could read about, what his Ex has to say about him - every word is wasted.


I'm also clearsighted: my spirits told me, it will end in tears for her. That's for sure.
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Shaman explains that it was important for him, before starting a relationship to see that ML could be genuine and herself in her role as Princess, something that was confirmed when she visited his family.
“In my family we are very colorful, full of joy and very merry. We are very intellectual and really funny people. So I wanted to see if she would fit in. She did and everyone loved her.”I read this as: "I wasn't sure if ML was intellectual and funny enough to be around and be part of my family. We tested her and she passed; now we are so in love ....". His ancestors could have told him if she was at the right level of intelligence ...
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can't understand why they are getting so much attention.. It all seems very silly stuff and Martha Louise should not be using her Princess title in this way.....
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