Countessmeout
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I realise that it was a long process involving being voted on by several sittings of Parliament over a number of years, but the changes came into effect when both were born but too young to know any different so they couldn't have an opinion. However their parents seem to have wanted CP to be CP as it were and officially proclaiming him Crown Prince have been discussed as an attempt to get the government to apply it for the next generation instead. Not that they ended up having any say in it. Which makes Martha's claim that she had a say in her status Very interesting.
I do wonder at the accuracy of her account. She does have a habit of sometimes changing things to fit her narrative.
Perhaps she (and maybe Haakon) were asked their opinions by someone but that wasn't anything official, just acting as a concerned relative? What do you think of "this debate that might entirely change your life, Martha?"
I can see that the Court might be quite military like even though Astrid acted as first lady. I can also see ML brushing over any impact Astrid did or didn't have as unimportant to the story she was trying to tell at the moment. She doesn't mention that her aunts faced opposition to their marriages as well. Especially as she appears to be conflating classism, snobbery, protocol and sexism into one thing to talk about one of her current problems. But we know all of which Sonja *did* face.
Does anyone know of any good books in English about this period in the Norwegian royal family? I find it very interesting.
The point you seem to be missing is they had no age.
The decision was Made before Silvia was pregnant. There was no debate. Even if Victoria or CP were old enough for an opinion when the law was passed (if they had been teens) it was too late for opinions. The process had already been started. And it had already been dated. It was dated so that no matter what the gender of the queen's first child was, it would eventually succeed the throne. So Victoria and CP were the age of 0 when the decisions were discusssed.
The king and queen's poor actions on how they treated their son at birth, knowing full well that he would never be king unless their daughter died, was their own bad decision making. It had no impact on the political decisions which had been settled years before. Yes parliament had to vote again but it was a foregone conclusion by that point. And the king had no say.
If Martha Louise is telling the truth, then her discussion was right at the start. Ever before any thing was put forward to change the law. When they were simply in the planning process. This was a process in Sweden BEFORE Victoria was even born.
And no she said it was 'military like as women were exlucuded, and was run strictkly by men like a military force'. That no women had any role in the palace. That is clearly untrue as her Aunt was very much active.
But as you pointed out mentioning her Aunt defeats the purpose. Her argument is all about female exclusion. Mentioning Aunt Astrid serves no purpose.
You'd think she'd mention her aunts as a 'well see my father the man got to marry a commoner and keep his title. Her Aunt Ragnhild when she married a commoner lost her birthday being celebrated as a flag day, because she dared marry a commoner. That seems to feed right into her sexism topic.