Princess Märtha Louise & Family General News and Information: 2003 -

[Prinsara]

She doesn't specify but she also doesn't qualify it with "everything since last Christmas" or anything like that, and it sounds from her words like something she's not experiencing for the first time. Given her sensitive temperament and the fact that she married a man who may have seemed very similar, I would guess that it is in fact something she's dealt with more chronically.

[LadyFinn]

Märtha Louise has bought a new horse to her daughter.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEyzfpQggaz/

Märtha Louise nya lyxköp – för dotterns karriär _ Svensk Dam

[Alex the VI]

Having bought a (expensive) horse for her daughter makes me think that PML is not going to relocate to the US.

[Princess_Eleanor]

Originally Posted by Alex the VI

Having bought a (expensive) horse for her daughter makes me think that PML is not going to relocate to the US.

Well, hopefully not. At any rate, I don't think she'll relocate anytime soon. It would be rather complicated during corona times, she could not easily fly back to visit and (though that might not deter her), it would simply not be a smart move. Her and the girls' support systems are in Norway.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Princess_Eleanor

Well, hopefully not. At any rate, I don't think she'll relocate anytime soon. It would be rather complicated during corona times, she could not easily fly back to visit and (though that might not deter her), it would simply not be a smart move. Her and the girls' support systems are in Norway.

If she was ever thinking of relocating to the US, that idea probably has had to be scrapped for now. Not only because of Covid-19 but also because her "shaman" lives in Los Angeles and so much of California is on fire right now.

It would make much more sense to hear that her "shaman" is desperately trying to "get outta Dodge" and get to Norway.

[Denville]

I doubt if he'd wnt to live in Norway.........

[Princess_Eleanor]

Originally Posted by Osipi

If she was ever thinking of relocating to the US, that idea probably has had to be scrapped for now. Not only because of Covid-19 but also because her "shaman" lives in Los Angeles and so much of California is on fire right now.

It would make much more sense to hear that her "shaman" is desperately trying to "get outta Dodge" and get to Norway.

I can't see the shaman moving to Norway. He seems happy with the LA lifestyle, he couldn't make as much money with his shaman "business" in Norway, he doesn't speak the language and I think he's well aware that the Norwegian people do not like him.

I could see ML moving to California actually, she's completely infatuated with the shaman. But for now there is corona, and it limits everyone's choices.

[Princess_Eleanor]

I just had a look at the shaman's Instagram page and OMG

Two days ago, he wrote that "in shamanism there is no such thing as depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental issues. Instead, shamanism is understanding certain imbalances within the spirit or how you're receiving energy in the world. (...)"

He claims that Märtha's "depression was brought on by the loss of Ari and me being so far away and many other unfortunate events which I care not to mention. She easily remedy it by getting into being in nature and confronting trauma. Now shes not depressed and has new manigble tools for difficult times. Way to go baby woo hoo"

So basically he claims that he has cured her from her depression because there is no such thing in the first place, only imbalances that he as a shaman can easily do away with?? All of this sounds like brain washing, I despair for her

[rominet09]

It's horrible to deny the reality of depression.... this man does a lot of harm.

[Alex the VI]

And the shaman's theory totally conflicts Maud's very wise words at her father's funeral to seek help.

[Marengo]

Ah, who knew that a simple walk in the mountains or on the beach would solve personality disorders and depressions! I am sure that that is an advice that depressed people have never received before! The great shaman has spoken.

What a ghastly man. And rather odd that the princess choses to stay with a charlatan with such opinions about the father of her children & about herself. Fortunately her daughters are of an age that he can not do a lot of damage to their development. I really can't see what entitles him to share such personal stories of Princess Martha-Louise with the world. That is up to her and only to her.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Ah, who knew that a simple walk in the mountains or on the beach would solve personality disorders and depressions! I am sure that that is an advice that depressed people have never received before! The great shaman has spoken.

Let us not forget his super-wonder-powers: his ability to bring the world into balance again by manipulation of THE FORCE, ermm, the energy fields!

I am afraid, a simple walk on the beach only might help, but it would be much better, if one uses The Shamans wonderpowers too... And The Shaman does not need the money one has to pay for these services for himself, but to heal even more...

All this is really frightning! But ML is imho not the innocent victim here: She has started the relationship with this "I know you from another life!" and since then enabled The Shaman to find new victims.

[acdc1]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Ah, who knew that a simple walk in the mountains or on the beach would solve personality disorders and depressions! I am sure that that is an advice that depressed people have never received before! The great shaman has spoken.

What a ghastly man. And rather odd that the princess choses to stay with a charlatan with such opinions about the father of her children & about herself. Fortunately her daughters are of an age that he can not do a lot of damage to their development. I really can't see what entitles him to share such personal stories of Princess Martha-Louise with the world. That is up to her and only to her.

As someone who has struggled for many years with depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, i WISH it were as simple as just going on a walk through the mountains!

He truly is awful. I would be beyond furious if the person I was romantically involved with said such things about my mental health issues and those of my ex-husband, who took his own life as a result of them. He obviously has no thought of the feelings of his partner (although I’m sure she thinks something similar) or of those of her daughters who he claims to care about. Her taking up with him and continuing to espouse his views is embarrassing enough, but this is just truly awful. He loves the spectacle and the popularity it gives him. My big fear is that she will decide to marry him and he will start appearing at official functions. In Norway does the king still need to grant permission to wed? I can’t imagine that any of the royal family would want him becoming an official part of it.

[Princess_Eleanor]

Originally Posted by acdc1

As someone who has struggled for many years with depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, i WISH it were as simple as just going on a walk through the mountains!

He truly is awful. I would be beyond furious if the person I was romantically involved with said such things about my mental health issues and those of my ex-husband, who took his own life as a result of them. He obviously has no thought of the feelings of his partner (although I’m sure she thinks something similar) or of those of her daughters who he claims to care about. Her taking up with him and continuing to espouse his views is embarrassing enough, but this is just truly awful. He loves the spectacle and the popularity it gives him. My big fear is that she will decide to marry him and he will start appearing at official functions. In Norway does the king still need to grant permission to wed? I can’t imagine that any of the royal family would want him becoming an official part of it.

I think all reasonable people know that is no cure. Obviously being in nature can sometimes be helpful, but to think that it would cure depression or other mental health issues...

I agree. It's especially terrible for him to act like that when his girlfriend suffers from depression herself, not to speak of Ari... what must the girls be thinking?


I think she might very well marry him. I do think the King has to grant permission if she is to remain in the line of succession but I can't quite see him withholding permission, even if he might not approve of the shaman personally. But the Norwegian people's opposition remains intense, so they might have to reach some sort of agreement, whereby she is allowed to marry the shaman but he won't appear at official functions. Märtha Louise has not appeared at official events, other than family ones, ever since outrage over the shaman began in Norway over a year ago anyhow.

Another obstacle to the marriage may be their living situation - as I've said, I can't see the shaman moving to Norway and if Märtha Louise's daughters don't want to move to the US, that might be a big obstacle.

[Prinsara]

At the risk of pushing this thread off-topic (Verrett has his own one), I'm very concerned that the King isn't well, and that all hell is truly going to break loose in the family post-Harald.

[maria-olivia]

On Christmas at the Church Martha Louise was with Verrett and the whole Royal Family !

[Princess_Eleanor]

Originally Posted by victor1319

Let us not forget his super-wonder-powers: his ability to bring the world into balance again by manipulation of THE FORCE, ermm, the energy fields!

I am afraid, a simple walk on the beach only might help, but it would be much better, if one uses The Shamans wonderpowers too... And The Shaman does not need the money one has to pay for these services for himself, but to heal even more...

All this is really frightning! But ML is imho not the innocent victim here: She has started the relationship with this "I know you from another life!" and since then enabled The Shaman to find new victims.

Yes, she has enabled the shaman to find new victims, but at the same time, I think she is a victim of his herself. I think he put most of this stuff in her head - such as I know you from another life blabla - and yes, she is susceptible to that but still. I feel bad for her.

She is obviously dealing with mental health issues and the shaman pretending that he has healed her, and in the process also making her dependent on him in order to "feel good and not depressed" could make her situation even worse.

It's a very dangerous thing he's doing, playing with ML's and his "clients" minds like that and all of this, of course, without being a true professional. A professional therapist would never treat their own partner anyhow but just in general, it's really dangerous - providing some strange alternative to therapy when you've got no psychological or psychiatric education whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Alex the VI

And the shaman's theory totally conflicts Maud's very wise words at her father's funeral to seek help.

I am glad that Maud is so wise at such a young age already. This way, the shaman won't be able to get to her, thankfully. She already knows better

Originally Posted by Prinsara

At the risk of pushing this thread off-topic (Verrett has his own one), I'm very concerned that the King isn't well, and that all hell is truly going to break loose in the family post-Harald.

I didn't want to say but yes, I think it was obvious that he wasn't well during Sverre Magnus' confirmation. That's likely another one of Märtha's concerns but thankfully the shaman seems to at least have known enough not to mention that on his Instagram page.

[Prinsara]

Originally Posted by Princess_Eleanor

I didn't want to say but yes, I think it was obvious that he wasn't well during Sverre Magnus' confirmation. That's likely another one of Märtha's concerns but thankfully the shaman seems to at least have known enough not to mention that on his Instagram page.

Unless he's alluding to it.

The thing is (at least) twofold:
-Harald is pretty much the only person who can get ML to "do" or not do anything (I don't think Sonja's influence is nearly as strong). So that's one check against her doing anything too extreme.
-So when she eventually loses him, how will she deal? Will she do something foolish because she's bereft and he's no longer there?

[Princess_Eleanor]

Originally Posted by Prinsara

Unless he's alluding to it.

The thing is (at least) twofold:
-Harald is pretty much the only person who can get ML to "do" or not do anything (I don't think Sonja's influence is nearly as strong). So that's one check against her doing anything too extreme.
-So when she eventually loses him, how will she deal? Will she do something foolish because she's bereft and he's no longer there?

True, he might have been alluding to it.

I do think that due to her emotional unstableness Märtha Louise depends greatly on both her parents. She's lucky to have them and I think if it were not for them, she might already be living in California with the shaman. Losing one of them would certainly be difficult and probably lead to her depending even more on the shaman emotionally.

I think whatever she might do would be more of a personal tragedy for her than one for the monarchy. Haakon is the next King, Ingrid Alexandra a promising heir and Märtha Louise doesn't even do royal engagements anymore.

I believe the foolish thing she might do is marry the shaman, move to California and blow all her money on him - and she might do that either way. I think she might listen to both her parents to some extent, but then she also thinks she knows what's right and does certain things that they'd advise her against.

She's infatuated with the shaman, she won't be dissuaded from that; one day she'll probably realize what she has gotten herself into and that will probably be very difficult for her to deal with.

I don't know how much influence Sonja has over ML but I can actually imagine her giving the shaman a piece of her mind lol.

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by acdc1

As someone who has struggled for many years with depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, i WISH it were as simple as just going on a walk through the mountains!

He truly is awful. I would be beyond furious if the person I was romantically involved with said such things about my mental health issues and those of my ex-husband, who took his own life as a result of them. He obviously has no thought of the feelings of his partner (although I’m sure she thinks something similar) or of those of her daughters who he claims to care about. Her taking up with him and continuing to espouse his views is embarrassing enough, but this is just truly awful. He loves the spectacle and the popularity it gives him. My big fear is that she will decide to marry him and he will start appearing at official functions. In Norway does the king still need to grant permission to wed? I can’t imagine that any of the royal family would want him becoming an official part of it.

Exactly in the same mental situation as you and I completely agree with you.