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Old 05-22-2019, 07:10 AM
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They have interviewed Haakon at his event today
https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/kronpri...het-1.14559228
Crown Prince Haakon stated on Tuesday for the first time about his sister's business activity.

"- It is so that we follow what is said and written. What we want is to have a dialogue with my sister, especially about what goes on titling and business activity, he says to NRK.
- The Royal Family has a good cooperation with the media. The press does an important job in Norwegian society, says the Crown Prince."

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Aha!

To me this sounds like: We would really like to talk sense with my sister about her use of her title, in order to find an acceptable solution, (before we may be pressured into something drastic) but so far no luck.

It also sounds to me like: The ongoing feud between the Norwegian press and my sister has got nothing to do with the rest of the NRF! We wish to maintain an amiable relationship with the press.
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Sounds like the key members of the royal family want ML to give up her title if she wants to continue in this business.
Like Muhler, I think pressure to give up the usage of her title for business purposes would be the furthest step they would voluntarily take, as asking her to give up her title completely or removing it without her consent would be too drastic in the context of royal traditions. It would also make a turnaround from the royal family's treatment of the business and title issue in the course of Princess Märtha Louise's career. Perhaps one of the Norwegian speakers can give a definitive opinion on the Crown Prince's comments.

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I wonder if Haakon would take a harder line than his father? Its harder IMO for parents to be harder on their children than siblings can be.

It certainly doesn't sound like a full defence of his sister as I was possibly expecting him to. He seems to be acknowledging that there is an issue and it need resolving
Agreed, it is my impression too that the royal family (minus Princess Märtha Louise herself) is reacting with less defensiveness and listening with more attention to the criticisms, compared to the earlier iterations of this discussion. I wonder what made the difference this time?


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I'm trying so hard to root for them, and especially for ML, but they don't make it easy .... :) :).

"I grew up in a very wealthy and aristocratic family. My dad David Verrett was an engineer, architect and multi-millionaire, and we had the largest house where we lived outside San Francisco. We had several houses, yachts and nannies" ... of course .... (gasp gasp ...)....
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So he grew up in a wealthy family perhaps, but certainly not an aristocratic one.

It sounds like he does not understand the difference.
The United States does not have its own aristocracy, but it is a possibility that his family belongs to, or at least descends from, another country's aristocracy. Or possibly he was using "aristocratic" as a figurative term for hereditary wealth.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:35 AM
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I assume “ what made the difference this time” is ML using her position as a princess to profit from a line of business which many people see as shady and perhaps even bordering on a con. That obviously has a negative impact on the image of the Royal Family of Norway.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:50 AM
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I assume “ what made the difference this time” is ML using her position as a princess to profit from a line of business which many people see as shady and perhaps even bordering on a con. That obviously has a negative impact on the image of the Royal Family of Norway.
But the situation you outline has been in place for years, at least since the princess founded her "angel school" in 2007, if not even earlier.

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Old 05-22-2019, 11:59 AM
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The news coverage shows no signs of dying down in Norway!

Last evening they has another show in Tromsø, a town, and the local paper must have bought a ticket because a detailed but very scathing description of what happened, because the rest of the press had been asked to leave by ML after the initial introduction and info of what would happen during the evening.
https://www.itromso.no/kultur/2019/0...k-19090257.ece
- I think I'll get back to that description later.

Here in here is a pic of ML and Durek leaving Tromsø this morning.
https://www.itromso.no/nyheter/2019/...8-19090988.ece

The papers have also begun to discuss how and indeed of ML cal drop her title:
https://www.nettavisen.no/%C3%B8kono...423687827.html
That discussion is quite interesting.
Some believe she can't be stripped of her title, because she is, as the daughter of a King, a princess. That fact cannot be changed. She is the daughter of a king for life, and as such a princess for life.
Others disagree, and refer to the Constitution which says that it is up to the monarch to decide what titles those in the Line-of-Succession have. In other words: she can remain the daughter of a King, and remain in the Line-of-Succession but there it nothing to hinder the King from stripping her of the title as Princess.
Alternatively ML can simply stop calling herself Princess and that would be a de facto renunciation of the title.

The papers have also responded to the criticism of ML and Durek.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/kro...itikk/71102271
It can be boiled down to this:
If a Norwegian Princess dates a shaman and embark on a spiritual tour it is news!
Not least because the pair went out and happily proclaimed their relationship to the public and in talkshows. So the press are in their right to cover them, also if they don't like the coverage.
ML and Durek directly using the princess-title in connection with their show, which they earn an income on, is news as well.
The press being critical is not bullying.
As a public, indeed prominent, figure ML will simply have to accept that.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:59 AM
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I'm going to jump into the shallow end of the pool for a minute & mention what an absolutely gorgeous couple they are. No other comment except:

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The United States does not have its own aristocracy, but it is a possibility that his family belongs to, or at least descends from, another country's aristocracy. Or possibly he was using "aristocratic" as a figurative term for hereditary wealth.
Perhaps he was an aristocrat in a past life
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Old 05-22-2019, 12:33 PM
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I'm going to jump into the shallow end of the pool for a minute & mention what an absolutely gorgeous couple they are. No other comment except:



Perhaps he was an aristocrat in a past life
He has claimed to be a king in a past life, according to an article I read somewhere.
I was under the impression that "American aristocracy" is "old money". I.e. families that have been rich and held prominent positions for at least a couple of generations.

It was a little weird to read Durek's description of his childhood. Childish in fact.
We lived in a big house! The biggest house of them all. In fact we had several (no doubt huge) houses. And yachts, loads of them. - And I will continue: We had doorknobs of gold. That is, only on the yachts. The doorknobs in our houses were diamonds....
Come on! This does sound a bit manic here, eh? And it's in line with other statements made by the good Durek. It's like he is making something impressive up, without for a second considering that someone will say: Hey, that's not how it was!
The Danish word for a person who can't help himself from lying (usually with the intention of getting attention) is "mytoman" - a "mythomaniac" - if there is such a word in English.

I found ML's little talk about herself interesting.
To me there is no doubts that the feelings about how she felt outside, out of place and a misfit within her family even, are genuine.
However, the paradox is obvious. She finds her title and her position a hindrance (that she has now partly overcome, according to herself) for her to live the "normal" life she so much desires. But at the same time she will not give up her title, or just stop using her title.
She is using her title and position to talk ad nauseaum about how hard it is for her to have the title and position! - Oh, my head!
(Something the papers have not failed to point out!)
For a person who claims to be empathic there sure is a lack of empathy in the sense that she appears unable to view things or perhaps comprehend things from the perspective of others.
And when challenged she reacts in an immature manner, by basically sulking.
I don't know if it's a character defect, or mental defect or whatever it is but it will explain the pattern we have seen over the past days.


Let's have a look at what the local Tromsø reporter has to say about the show yesterday.
He is not impressed! Not at all!
https://www.itromso.no/kultur/2019/0...k-19090257.ece

The whole thing lasted two hours in which ML and Shaman were to take the audience through some exercises in order to "inspire each other to figure out who you really are."

The journalist won't dismiss such a quest, but he has big problems seeing how the show can benefit anyone, even those who watched it wit an ironic distance.
What annoyed the journalist was lack of substance and lack of content.
ML talked somewhat incoherently about her difficult upbringing and the as a consequence mistrust of other people, and her road to how she puts it, her ending up as a "high-sensitive fountain of light."
In the reporters opinion meaningless but made monotonous when garnished with platitudes like "always follow your heart."

At long last Durek took over and the scene changed totally. He commanded the room like "a TV-preacher."
He talked about this and that end everything and inbetween he talked about being outside the box and checking out ML.
Then Shaman really tested the general knowledge of the audience, as the journalist express it, by asking:
What happens if you don't drink water?
- We die!

What happens if you quit eating?
- We die!

That was followed by some shamanisk, which consisted of tapping wrists and blowing, while Durek tried to get out the true feelings and thought in the open.

Then there was a short intermission before Durek continued with shaminist stamping of the feet, snorting and waving of the arms, before ML took over again.
That was one "long tirade of nonsense and commonalities" about how you should not fit in the "normal box" followed by the importance of loving yourself and that Norwegians are way too reserved/closed.

Here ML lashed out at the press again: "What has happened to me in the Norwegian press, will happen to all who comes out of the box."

The whole thing ended with letting the microphone going round so that some from the audience could share their negative thoughts with the rest of the hall.

The journalist commented on that by writing: "Those chosen were in turn corrected by the lectures. One of the main-points is after all that you should not let your life be controlled by the expectations of others...
That's the job of Durek and Märtha. Get it!"

- A most entertaining article!
If he is fairly representative of the Norwegian press, it's war!

And it is war!
The Norwegian paper Dagbladet has send reporters to USA to dig out dirt on Durek.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/mrt...-magi/71088856
And they have started to have a look at the court records after a tumultuous lawsuit against Durek, and his then boyfriend, who were sued for among other things harassment, threats on his life, and black magic.
I'll spare you the details, but what should have been "a spiritual commune" ended up in a big row!

- I guess we can expect more from USA the next days.
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Old 05-22-2019, 01:57 PM
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Interesting article about Durek from 2016.

Last line--"We therefore stand by our statement that the shaman Durek Verret is a con man and a dirtbag."

https://www.vantru.is/2016/03/01/10.00/
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Old 05-22-2019, 02:19 PM
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I'm trying so hard to root for them, and especially for ML, but they don't make it easy .... :) :).

"I grew up in a very wealthy and aristocratic family. My dad David Verrett was an engineer, architect and multi-millionaire, and we had the largest house where we lived outside San Francisco. We had several houses, yachts and nannies" ... of course .... (gasp gasp ...)....

Is Durek Verrett's family aristocratic and wealthy? Where can I read more information about Durek Verrett's family?
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Is Durek Verrett's family aristocratic and wealthy?
Based on what I've read about him so far--I have my doubts. He contradicts himself over the years about his family background.

More for reading about the Shaman--

The Urban Shaman | Matt Falber

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/o...rek-a-kidney#/

https://www.mindbodygreen.com/wc/durek-d-verrett

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Old 05-22-2019, 03:01 PM
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Fascinating.

I should like to see his kidney-scar...

And keep in mind that he (according to a quote digged up by a newspaper) predicted 9/11 two years before it happened. And predicted a bomb in a cafe in Israel - and thereby saved his friends by convincing them to go somewhere else.
When asked why he didn't warn people at the cafe, he responded that it would mean that he would have arrived at the cafe just as the bomb went of and that would (undeniably...) have been a bad move.

Okay, it's difficult to make predictions, especially about the future, but now I'll make on. Durek is really going to entertain us in the future about what miracles he made with the NRF.
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Old 05-22-2019, 05:54 PM
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She was this open and vocal - even with pretty similar words - for a long time. See e.g. these quotes I translated about a year ago:




I don't see a substantial change in her words and opinion about royal life. While I certainly don't share her opinion and really don't get why she speaks about her 'not fitting in' with royal standards again and again when at the same time insisting on staying a princess (and - much worse- using the title for her shady business ideas), I don't think that one could accuse her of mentioning her issues with growing up in the royal family only when she benefits of the publicity (e.g. now) or suddenly changing her attitude towards the subject. She was always very open about this aspect of her life.
I don't follow ML as much as other members of the NRF so I don't always catch up on her interviews from previous years - I must have missed that one last year too. I can imagine Harald and Sonja are sadly used to such remarks from ML, in that case. Whilst I do understand the desire to be more "ordinary" in ML's position (obviously not from experience! ) such feelings are best kept to herself IMO.
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You can bet the press are busy digging into this mans past and his families past.
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Old 05-23-2019, 01:47 AM
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More for reading about the Shaman--

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/o...rek-a-kidney#/

If he was from such a wealthy family he has told, why he needed this kind of funding campaign for a kidney.

This case does not end well for ML.
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Old 05-23-2019, 02:15 AM
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He is a mythomaniac, that's what.
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And why did he have to rent a house rather than buying one if he was so rich ...
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Old 05-24-2019, 05:57 AM
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On May 22 Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett had a workshop in Edderkoppen:


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 **


Yesterday evening, May 23, they had one at Gamlebyen Kulturhus in Fredrikstad:



** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 **
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Old 05-24-2019, 02:16 PM
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Thanks, Iceflower

Well, glancing at the news, it's obvious the Danish press couldn't care less.
I haven't seen a word about them.

The Norwegian press and to some extent the Swedish press is another matter! But they clearly didn't bother sending reporters to Copenhagen to follow the latest shows.

In Norway there is a wild debate about the whole issue.
Should ML lose her title?
How about giving Durek a title as prince?
She can't go on embarrassing her country and family!
She is being hounded!
- You get the picture...

What is clear is that ML is still among the top news in Norway.
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:17 PM
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I don't think ML's new partner has been picked up in the British media either - though out of the European RFs the Norwegians are one of the lesser reported here in the UK, from experience on what I've read.
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Thanks, Iceflower

Well, glancing at the news, it's obvious the Danish press couldn't care less.
I haven't seen a word about them.

The Norwegian press and to some extent the Swedish press is another matter! But they clearly didn't bother sending reporters to Copenhagen to follow the latest shows.

In Norway there is a wild debate about the whole issue.
Should ML lose her title?
How about giving Durek a title as prince?
She can't go on embarrassing her country and family!
She is being hounded!
- You get the picture...

What is clear is that ML is still among the top news in Norway.
Have there been suggestions in Norway to confine royals' business involvement to uncontroversial careers, or would that be out of the realm of possibility from the Norwegian point of view?
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Old 05-24-2019, 05:21 PM
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Have there been suggestions in Norway to confine royals' business involvement to uncontroversial careers, or would that be out of the realm of possibility from the Norwegian point of view?
I haven't noticed that specifically, but I think every possibility is discussed in Norway these days!
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