Princess Märtha Louise & Durek Verrett: News & Information 2019 -

[Tatiana Maria]

To be honest, saying that unruly children are possessed by evil spirits seems tame compared to some of Mr. Verrett's spiritual theories which he has previously spoken about (children subconsciously wanting to have cancer, himself being part reptile, etc.). And while he is once more generalizing and calling out Norwegians, at least he is avoiding using the "racist" label. So perhaps he is slowly learning tact.

I don't think the royal family as a whole will be held responsible for his statements, as the King, Queen and Crown Prince have made it clear where they stand. In this case, I don't think Princess Märtha Louise ought to be held responsible either for her fiancé's video, as he appears rather independent and I doubt he consults her for approval before making comments.

 

[ROYAL NORWAY]

I, for one, think this is one of the worst things he has done so far.
I mean, he says that if your children are screaming and being aggressive for no reason, you should hold them, look directly into their eyes no matter how uncomfortable it makes them and say you have no power here and that you are a weak entity and that I'm sending you into the light.

IMO that is to abuse your children.

And why is he doing this?
Is it to annoy the Royal Family? NO!
Is it to annoy the Norwegian media? NO!

So what is it? Well, quite simply to earn money!
And he concludes his Instagram-video by saying: ''If you need any more tips on how to clear entities from your children, you can DM me and I can assist you. I love you.''
I think we can be more than SURE that this won't be for free! Loool.

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The tabloid Dagbladet was out with an editorial yesterday (link). Google translation (link).
They write, among other things, that no one should be in any doubt about the down-to-earth King Harald's view of his future son-in-law's dubious business. But that the King should nevertheless mark a clear distance from Durek's comments.

Well, as I wrote in my previous post, I disagree!

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The deputy leader of the Christian Democratic Party, Ida Lindtveit Røse, has told Dagbladet today that Durek's comments are dangerous and an incitement to abuse against children.
Read more here (link). Google translation (link).

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Specialist in child psychiatry Trude Fixdal told NRK yesterday that Durek's comments are completely ''ko-ko'' (a Norwegian word for crazy).
She goes on to say that what he is proposing can, from a purely academic point of view, be harmful to children.
Read more here (link). Google translation (link).

 

[principessa]

I really really really hope that Princess Märtha Louise will wake up rather sooner than later and the relationship will end. Hopefully before she says "yes" to him.

 

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Dagbladet has today talked with the Preses of the Church of Norway, bishop Olav Fykse Tveit.
He says it is important not to mix expressions about spirits and exorcism into questions about parenting. He says the church cannot stand for this and warns others not to do this.
Read more here (link). Google translation (link).

BTW, For those who may be wondering what a Preses is, well, it is a titular bishop without a diocese who leads the Bishops' Conference of the church as one who is primus inter pares (first, among equals).

 

[Mbruno]

I really really really hope that Princess Märtha Louise will wake up rather sooner than later and the relationship will end. Hopefully before she says "yes" to him.

The King could have denied his consent to the marriage, which would have had the constitutional effect of excluding Märtha-Louise (and, according to one interpretation, her daughters) from the line of succession if ML got married anyway.

The King, however, chose not to do it as far as we know, so it is implied that he must approve the marriage.

 

[Prinsara]

The King, however, chose not to do it as far as we know, so it is implied that he must approve the marriage.

He also chose not to make his consent public when he easily could have, meaning he still has the power to officially not consent... which he may very well either end up having to do, or the non-consent will just be quietly announced concurrently with the marriage.

Neither Harald nor his advisors are exactly stupid or willing to jeopardize the institution.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

The King could have denied his consent to the marriage, which would have had the constitutional effect of excluding Märtha-Louise (and, according to one interpretation, her daughters) from the line of succession if ML got married anyway.

The King, however, chose not to do it as far as we know, so it is implied that he must approve the marriage.

I really wonder about Martha Louise’s daughters - they’ve been through a lot and this charlatan their mom is engaged to is just too much! I also wonder about long time friends of hers - can’t someone get through to her?

 

[kalnel]

Dear King Harald,

Entities can enter your royal family, especially through your daughter. They sense the light of paparazzi flashbulbs, and they can express themselves to the entire world through your family. You cannot let this happen. So the way to stop this happening is to hold Durek by the shoulders, look directly into his eyes -- no matter how uncomfortable it makes you -- and say, "You have no power here. You are a crazy entity. And I'm sending you into the light in California right now. Deep into California!"

And, King Harald, you say that! You say that with power! And you have to do it with anger! If you don't do it with anger, the entity will think he can stay in Norway and marry your daughter, and you'll never get rid of him. And, it will act out even more on your child.

If you need any more tips about how to clear this entity from your family, DM me.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

He also chose not to make his consent public when he easily could have, meaning he still has the power to officially not consent... which he may very well either end up having to do, or it will just be quietly announced concurrently with the marriage.

Neither Harald nor his advisors are exactly stupid or willing to jeopardize the institution.

I wonder if the royal house will really be able to preserve secrecy forever around whether or not King Harald V grants his consent to the marriage under article 36 of the Constitution to allow his daughter to remain in line to the throne. Given the level of interest in Durek, won't someone eventually remind a reporter to ask about article 36?

Even if the royal house could maintain the silence, I don't think they ought to. The King may not enjoy the negative publicity from the announcement that he officially approves Durek as a potential prince consort, but the people of Norway (and every other hereditary monarchy, in my opinion) deserve to know who is and is not in line to reign over them.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Dagbladet has today talked with the Preses of the Church of Norway, bishop Olav Fykse Tveit.
He says it is important not to mix expressions about spirits and exorcism into questions about parenting. He says the church cannot stand for this and warns others not to do this.
Read more here (link). Google translation (link).

BTW, For those who may be wondering what a Preses is, well, it is a titular bishop without a diocese who leads the Bishops' Conference of the church as one who is primus inter pares (first, among equals).

It seems Durek Verrett's spokesperson is doing his part by repeating that the couple do not represent the royal house and that Durek's opinions are his own, not those of the royal house or Märtha Louise.

Interesting that the Preses commented on this (he must be aware that with his high position, his statement will be taken as representative of the Church of Norway's leadership even if it is not an official church statement), because if I am remembering correctly, previous criticisms from bishops were directed at Princess Märtha Louise or both of them. The Princess is obligated to be faithful to Church of Norway teachings given that she is a member of the church and in line to be monarch (since the Constitution requires the monarch to be Lutheran). But she is not involved this time, Durek is not a member of the Church of Norway and I don't recall if he has even clarified what religion he belongs to, so does the Church of Norway even have any standing to "not stand for" Durek's statements?

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Dear King Harald,

Entities can enter your royal family, especially through your daughter. They sense the light of paparazzi flashbulbs, and they can express themselves to the entire world through your family. You cannot let this happen. So the way to stop this happening is to hold Durek by the shoulders, look directly into his eyes -- no matter how uncomfortable it makes you -- and say, "You have no power here. You are a crazy entity. And I'm sending you into the light in California right now. Deep into California!"

And, King Harald, you say that! You say that with power! And you have to do it with anger! If you don't do it with anger, the entity will think he can stay in Norway and marry your daughter, and you'll never get rid of him. And, it will act out even more on your child.

If you need any more tips about how to clear this entity from your family, DM me.

Oh my gosh, this is the best thing ever - I love it!!!?

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Interesting that the Preses commented on this (he must be aware that with his high position, his statement will be taken as representative of the Church of Norway's leadership even if it is not an official church statement), because if I am remembering correctly, previous criticisms from bishops were directed at Princess Märtha Louise or both of them. The Princess is obligated to be faithful to Church of Norway teachings given that she is a member of the church and in line to be monarch (since the Constitution requires the monarch to be Lutheran). But she is not involved this time, Durek is not a member of the Church of Norway and I don't recall if he has even clarified what religion he belongs to, so does the Church of Norway even have any standing to "not stand for" Durek's statements?

As it is not entirely clear wether the Presiding Bishop (or any priest) from the Church of Norway will marry them, or if they will have a civil wedding - his statement is interesting….

We only know that they have planned to have the wedding at Hotel Union in Geiranger…

 

[Tatiana Maria]

As it is not entirely clear wether the Presiding Bishop (or any priest) from the Church of Norway will marry them, or if they will have a civil wedding - his statement is interesting….

We only know that they have planned to have the wedding at Hotel Union in Geiranger…

The Church of Norway's English-language page on weddings appears to imply that its weddings take place in church: There are instructions on applying to marry in a church outside of one's home congregation, but no instructions on applying to be married by a priest in a secular location. But the press is indeed saying it is unclear whether there will be a church wedding, despite the couple's announcement that they will marry in a hotel. Do the church regulations permit dispensations to marry religiously outside church?

https://www.kirken.no/nb-NO/church-of-norway/Ceremonies/wedding/

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[Hans-Rickard]

The Church of Norway's English-language page on weddings appears to imply that its weddings take place in church: There are instructions on applying to marry in a church outside of one's home congregation, but no instructions on applying to be married by a priest in a secular location. But the press is indeed saying it is unclear whether there will be a church wedding, despite the couple's announcement that they will marry in a hotel. Do the church regulations permit dispensations to marry religiously outside church?

https://www.kirken.no/nb-NO/church-of-norway/Ceremonies/wedding/

The norwegian version has another option that doesn’t seem to be listed at the english version. It basically indicates that it is possible to hold wedding services outside or at other places, but that it must be requested and approved by the local parish in advance.

Utendørs eller andre steder i Norge

Dersom dere ønsker å gifte dere utendørs, kontakter dere presten i området der dere ønsker å ha vielsen. Det er viktig at stedet er godt tilrettelagt for vielse. Noen vigselssteder må godkjennes internt i kirken på forhånd, så det er lurt å være ute i god tid.

wich in english means

Outdoors or at other places in Norway

If you want to get married outdoors, you contact the priest in the area where you want to have the wedding ceremony. It is important that the place is well prepared for the wedding. Some wedding venues must be approved by the Church in advance, so it's a good idea to book well in advance.

https://www.kirken.no/nb-NO/bryllup-i-den-norske-kirke/personlig-seremoni-i-kirken/

 

[Saragli]

He also chose not to make his consent public when he easily could have, meaning he still has the power to officially not consent... which he may very well either end up having to do, or the non-consent will just be quietly announced concurrently with the marriage.

Neither Harald nor his advisors are exactly stupid or willing to jeopardize the institution.

That's an interesting thought and one I am inclined to believe. Is someone able to further clarify what withholding consent would mean? I understand it would remove M-L and any potential children with Durek from the line of succession but why do some believe it might remove her current children as well?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Is someone able to further clarify what withholding consent would mean? I understand it would remove M-L and any potential children with Durek from the line of succession but why do some believe it might remove her current children as well?

Likely because article 36 of the constitution only says "descendants", rather than "descendants from the marriage".

https://lovdata.no/dokument/NLE/lov/1814-05-17

Article 36

A Prince or Princess entitled to succeed to the Crown of Norway may not marry without the consent of the King. Nor may he or she accept any other crown or government without the consent of the King and the Storting. For the consent of the Storting two thirds of the votes are required.

If he or she acts contrary to this rule, they and their descendants forfeit their right to the throne of Norway.​

 

[Saragli]

Likely because article 36 of the constitution only says "descendants", rather than "descendants from the marriage".

https://lovdata.no/dokument/NLE/lov/1814-05-17

Article 36

A Prince or Princess entitled to succeed to the Crown of Norway may not marry without the consent of the King. Nor may he or she accept any other crown or government without the consent of the King and the Storting. For the consent of the Storting two thirds of the votes are required.

If he or she acts contrary to this rule, they and their descendants forfeit their right to the throne of Norway.​

Thank you, that is a tricky interpretation. The line of succession to the Norwegian throne has always been very small so I suppose they'd be fine if the girls were removed but I feel the King wouldn't want to do that.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

It is a tricky interpretation indeed that leaves many question marks… The norwegian version has exactly the same wording…

And as 2 of her 3 children is above 18 and legal adults, i really wonder if there is any legal ground to exclude them based on something their mother does…

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The norwegian version has another option that doesn’t seem to be listed at the english version. It basically indicates that it is possible to hold wedding services outside or at other places, but that it must be requested and approved by the local parish in advance.

Utendørs eller andre steder i Norge

Dersom dere ønsker å gifte dere utendørs, kontakter dere presten i området der dere ønsker å ha vielsen. Det er viktig at stedet er godt tilrettelagt for vielse. Noen vigselssteder må godkjennes internt i kirken på forhånd, så det er lurt å være ute i god tid.

wich in english means

Outdoors or at other places in Norway

If you want to get married outdoors, you contact the priest in the area where you want to have the wedding ceremony. It is important that the place is well prepared for the wedding. Some wedding venues must be approved by the Church in advance, so it's a good idea to book well in advance.

https://www.kirken.no/nb-NO/bryllup-i-den-norske-kirke/personlig-seremoni-i-kirken/

Thank you for the information and translation. Then a Church of Norway wedding remains a possibility even with the couple's choice of venue. Still, I wonder what the reason would be for choosing a hotel as a wedding venue if the wedding was to be a Christian ceremony.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Thank you for the information and translation. Then a Church of Norway wedding remains a possibility even with the couple's choice of venue. Still, I wonder what the reason would be for choosing a hotel as a wedding venue if the wedding was to be a Christian ceremony.

A civil wedding or an outdoor wedding seems most natural to me, if they have planned to hold it altogether at the hotel.

If the plan is a church wedding followed by a party at the hotel, that would logically have been annonced at the same time as they announced the hotel.

But who knows with this couple.…..

 

[Prinsara]

It's her second marriage and the groom is not only a practicing non-Christian but has positioned himself in opposition to the Church on a few occasions.

Other than sentiment on ML's part (and then it would require a clergyperson willing to take the responsibility of officiating), I can't see why they would want to have any kind of a church wedding at all.

But yes, this is the "stranger things" couple.

 

[polyesco]

Princess Märtha and Shaman Durek: QUITE FRANKLY PODCAST

From an article about the podcast
https://www.seher.no/kongelig/fyrer-los-storste-rasistene-av-alle/80685994

"Now the 49-year-old fires another shock volley. This time in a filmed podcast where he, in the chair next to Princess Märtha Louise, talks about his first meeting with Norwegian society.
He describes it as Xenophobic (term for fear of xenophobia, journ.anm.), and that society was locked in the idea that: "We are like this and we are like this, and that's how it has to be or we'll push you away".
...
- She didn't know what racism looked like or felt like, she didn't know the nuances in the treatment of black people and didn't understand it until our relationship. So my reaction and feelings for Norway were different from what she saw at the start, until she learned about those things and eventually saw it for herself.
Furthermore, the shaman states that "everyone" here is talking themselves down, and places much of the blame on the Jante law. He also states that "everyone is xenophobic and racist without even knowing it".
- I did a trick on her (Märtha Louise), to see if she had racism in her, and of course she did. She is part of the royal family, and the royals are the biggest racists of all. They are the "originals", they live in a bubble and have zero understanding of it, says the 49-year-old.""

 

[Somebody]

Wow, talk about trashing your fiancée's family/future in-laws: 'the royals are the biggest racists of all.'

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Thank you for providing the major quotes from the podcast, polyesco, for those of us who don't have the time to listen to it.


I wonder if Durek Verrett's remarks are meant more for an American audience than a Norwegian one. His strong accusations of racism and xenophobia against Norwegians as a whole would probably lead to a backlash against his Norwegian critics and the Norwegian monarchy and sympathy for him in his home country (cf. the American reaction to the Duchess of Sussex's accusations), but after seeing how the Norwegian public and even leftwing politicians have reacted to him up to now, he presumably could predict that in Norway, putting down the Jante law (a cherished principle of egalitarianism for many Scandinavians) and saying "the royals are the biggest racists of all" will probably lead to backlash against himself.


Interesting clarification from his spokesman to Se og Hør:

"Durek is trying to point out and illuminate royal families in a historical perspective, with a view to how invading and colonizing land can be understood as symbols of a time when racist attitudes were widespread. It isn't meant as a criticism of the Norwegian royal family, royal house or Princess Märtha Louise."​

(Before the last sentence, I was wondering which lands the Norwegian royal family had invaded and colonized.)

 

[Somebody]

The sentences ' I did a trick on her (Märtha Louise), to see if she had racism in her, and of course she did. She is part of the royal family, and the royals are the biggest racists of all.' makes a very clear point in connecting the racism accusation to Märtha Louise and her family. So, his spokesman trying to explain it away is just doing that... Durek's words are clear enough.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The sentences ' I did a trick on her (Märtha Louise), to see if she had racism in her, and of course she did. She is part of the royal family, and the royals are the biggest racists of all.' makes a very clear point in connection the racism accusation to Märtha Louise and her family. So, his spokesman trying to explain it away is just doing that... Durek's words are clear enough.

Wasn't it not too long ago that Mr. Verrett was posting videos praising King Harald V for (in short) speaking up against the racism directed against him? I wonder if something has occurred between himself and the senior royals behind the scenes.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Princess Märtha and Shaman Durek: QUITE FRANKLY PODCAST

From an article about the podcast
https://www.seher.no/kongelig/fyrer-los-storste-rasistene-av-alle/80685994

"Now the 49-year-old fires another shock volley. This time in a filmed podcast where he, in the chair next to Princess Märtha Louise, talks about his first meeting with Norwegian society.
He describes it as Xenophobic (term for fear of xenophobia, journ.anm.), and that society was locked in the idea that: "We are like this and we are like this, and that's how it has to be or we'll push you away".
...
- She didn't know what racism looked like or felt like, she didn't know the nuances in the treatment of black people and didn't understand it until our relationship. So my reaction and feelings for Norway were different from what she saw at the start, until she learned about those things and eventually saw it for herself.
Furthermore, the shaman states that "everyone" here is talking themselves down, and places much of the blame on the Jante law. He also states that "everyone is xenophobic and racist without even knowing it".
- I did a trick on her (Märtha Louise), to see if she had racism in her, and of course she did. She is part of the royal family, and the royals are the biggest racists of all. They are the "originals", they live in a bubble and have zero understanding of it, says the 49-year-old.""

There is no need for others to put this guys reputation into pieces….. He does that perfectly himself !

 

[Adda]

King Harald, you cannot give your consent. Märtha-Louise is free to do whatever she wants with her life, but let her do so OUT of the line of succession! Enough is enough.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

King Harald, you cannot give your consent. Märtha-Louise is free to do whatever she wants with her life, but let her do so OUT of the line of succession! Enough is enough.

Since Durek Verrett once said he would "most likely" break up with Princess Märtha Louise if she became queen, perhaps he could be persuaded that it is in his best interests for the princess not to request the King's official consent for their marriage and in this way be excluded from ever becoming queen.

But if he cannot be persuaded, then I can only imagine his reaction if the King cuts off his wife from the throne for marrying him by denying his official consent, given that he has already called the royals "the biggest racists of all" even while the King has been (publicly) nothing but supportive of him as a family member and even supported some of his comments about Norwegian racism.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Since Durek Verrett once said he would "most likely" break up with Princess Märtha Louise if she became queen, perhaps he could be persuaded that it is in his best interests for the princess not to request the King's official consent for their marriage and in this way be excluded from ever becoming queen.

But if he cannot be persuaded, then I can only imagine his reaction if the King cuts off his wife from the throne for marrying him by denying his official consent, given that he has already called the royals "the biggest racists of all" even while the King has been (publicly) nothing but supportive of him as a family member and even supported some of his comments about Norwegian racism.

I didn't know that Durek said he would most likely break up with Märtha if she became Queen...
First I don't think he would do this, secondly I think she will never become Queen. There are enough others in the family to take up that role.

I just don't understand why those two are constantly provoking Märtha's family. What do they think they can gain? They just want to convince people that they are the right ones speaking of enlightenment and spirituality. Some people are believing them and are finding their luck in such esoteric matters.
But it is a niche and they should accept it instead of fighting and alienating the family and the Norwegian people. But they are both so determined to convince people that their way is the right one, and all those who don't believe or don't accept it, are on the wrong side.
I didn't listen to the whole podcast, but that is the essence what I understood.
Harald and Sonja seem to be very loving parents, they are so old now and I feel very sorry for them to endure such attacks from their future son in law.
I somtimes imagine if they were just a normal family, it might be easier because no publicity, but still it would cause problems.