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06-23-2021, 08:57 PM
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Terribly written article but we get the gist of it! :-)
It seems so strange that the wealth of the NRF is so unevenly distributed. I hope lessons are learned for Sverre Magnus down the road
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06-23-2021, 09:04 PM
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Yes, I’d say the article was translated into English from a Norwegian news outlet (magazine?) though it doesn’t give any source. And it’s badly translated at that. Still, it does convey a general idea about M-L’s finances.
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07-06-2021, 02:43 PM
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This news has now found it's way into Bunte online - Headline:"How should I survive with this?" [1]
Yep, if one considers - if the numbers are correct - that Märtha-Louise would have gotten not much more than roughly 1 400 US Dollar per month, then this is an understandable question for a working royal, which she was supposed to be with this apanage, right?
Now we can, but don't have to, speculate: Would she have married a boring noble man and lived happy afterwards, if she would have been about to receive a little bit more money from the taxpayers?
I always thought, that she was more of a moderator and a kind of human spotlight for strange elfs-talkers and those, who are in contact with the gone... - what was strange in itself; but if it pays the bills?
Not that I am seeing her completely different now... but!
[1] https://www.bunte.de/royals/royals-w...eberleben.html
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07-06-2021, 03:35 PM
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A wild thought: Perhaps she could have had a job beside her apanage?
With her connections she would probably have been able to secure herself a nice little and not too demanding job somewhere.
Another crazy thought: Perhaps she could arrange to ensure her expenses not exceeding her income? - I think I'll call this novel thought a budget.
With her fortune in real estate and what not, she would be able to live a comfortable higher middle-class life.
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07-06-2021, 04:00 PM
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I'm not saying ML is prudent with money. Perhaps she always spends more than she has, but in a country that manages the oil fund as carefully as they do it seems a little strange that the NRF doesn’t have someone to make investments that guarantee her a source of income. In other words, she's not much of a trust fund kid.
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07-06-2021, 04:27 PM
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I'm willing to bet twenty boxes of chocolate that she has had guidance in investing her fortune in order to secure a decent and stable income - or at least secure her fortune.
But if you exceed your income - and it's pretty evident that she has - you have to get money from somewhere. I.e. first a loan. Then sell your stocks and investments to pay back your loan. = Less income. - Then you have to mortgage and eventually sell your property. = Much reduced fortune.
I don't know the word in English. In Danish and I think in Norwegian as well, ML has put herself in a "gældsfælde" = literally a debt-trap. - And it difficult to get out! Usually requiring a total reform of your lifestyle and professional guidance.
ML is not there yet, where she is forced to seek help.
I imagine she still has a few assets left, but if she continues her current lifestyle, she will within a few years run out of options and means.
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07-11-2021, 06:58 AM
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ML has been interviewed by a Norwegian newspaper, about her plans and she has been talking in a podcast about her initial feelings for Durek.
It's behind a paywall though: https://www.vg.no/rampelys/tv/i/bnrQ...ytting-til-usa
But fortunately Svensk Damtidning is also on the theme: https://www.svenskdam.se/kungligt/ma...tuellt/7693970
She does plan to move to USA and Durek, but Corona has put a spanner in the wheel, so when that happens is not yet clear.
It wasn't sparks and stars when they met the first time, confides ML in a podcast, Summa summarum.
It was a nice meeting though.
The second time they met was in New York. ML intended to drop by and say as she was in town. It just so happened that he lived in a hotel right next door.
But it wasn't love at first sight. They actually talked about it, but there were no indications of their relationship amounting to more than a friendship.
But love found a way and now they intend to move in together.
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07-17-2021, 12:00 PM
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The Norwegian gossip mag, Se & Hør, reports that Durek has bought a luxury villa, where he, ML and her children will move in together.
The article is behind a paywall, so I only know what is summarized in a few sentences here: https://www.bt.dk/royale/skal-nyde-h...tter-fra-norge
The villa has a swimming pool, spa and roof terrace and is located in Los Angeles.
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07-17-2021, 02:54 PM
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I hope those poor girls aren’t forced to uproot to LA.
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07-17-2021, 04:39 PM
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My main concern is indeed with her daughters. Are they expected to move as well and if not, what support system is in place?
I assume Emma will join her mother as she is only 12 years old. Maud is 18, so can do as she pleases but Leah is 16, not likely to be interested in moving but still needing guidance and support.
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07-17-2021, 06:05 PM
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ML is their mother and only parent, so they will go with her.
Unless there are serious reasons to fear for the well-being on ML's children no one can prevent her from going to USA to live there and bring her children with her.
We can imagine that ML's daughters contact the social services because they don't want to go to USA, but again, unless there are serious reason to fear for the well-being of the children, there is very little the authorities can do, except perhaps call ML in for a talk.
By all accounts there is no evidence I know of that even suggest that ML neglect or mistreat her children in any way.
And Durek may have his faults but preying on children and teens are, as far as I am aware, not among them. Nor is there evidence to suggest that he mistreat the children or expose them to danger.
If it is any consolation, I'm more than sure that the NRF and the Norwegian Foreign Ministry can and will be informed of any hints suggesting the children are in a bad way. There are all sorts of informal channels to ensure that.
After all, the children need only have access to a phone or computer in order to contact the family back in Norway to call for help or to say the word to a visiting relative.
And last but not least, ML is IMO egocentric and also irresponsible in regards to her economy, but not to the extent that she will override the well-being of her children.
She gives the impression of being a loving and protective mother.
And the children have a strong adult sister to go to as well.
So it's not the children I'm concerned about, I'm more concerned about what kind of mess ML may get herself involved in, and what kinds of methods she will use to fund the lifestyle she has.
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07-17-2021, 06:14 PM
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Maud is 18, so there is no need for her to join her mother and sisters. If she wants to stay in Norway, I am sure something can be arranged. It will be interesting to see what she decides, both having her mother and sisters leave is probably quite daunting as well as joining them.
And yes, Märtha Louise can of course take her younger daughters with her but I would hope she takes their well-being into account as well; and if Leah would want to stay in Norway, I would hope that wish prevails over Märtha Louise's desires. It is typically not recommended to move teenagers to a different continent (and even less so if it is because you want to be with your new beau). Moving to a different country preferably takes place at an earlier age.
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07-17-2021, 06:28 PM
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If it were a custody dispute, Leah would be old enough to decide where she wants to live, so it's not necessarily a given. On the other hand, for someone as dedicated to makeup as she is, LA might look like a dream come true. The simple fact is, we don't know how the girls feel. Maud might not want to be separated from her mom and sisters.
It bothers me that ML would not only separate Emma from everything, though, but from her horse. Her much-lauded and beloved horse, when ML herself appreciates an equine bond. Something doesn't feel entirely accurate there.
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07-17-2021, 07:15 PM
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Maud and Leah could stay with their grandparents, I think Queen Sonja and King Harald wouldn't mind staying with their granddaughters for a while.
But Emma, who is 12, will probably have to go with ML.
I don't know, but a change of parents at this point in the lives of three teenagers I don't know if it's the most appropriate.
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07-18-2021, 04:13 AM
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The reports of Martha Louise moving to LA to be with her shaman boyfriend has been circulating since at least the November 2020 issue of Vanity Fair. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...and-the-shaman
Every month or two we see a recycle of essentially the same old news. I don't think this is anything new. Years from now we'll be reading the same story except no one will care. Shaman who? Princess Martha Louise will still be living at home in Norway. Neither one of them have the multi millions it takes for a life style equalling the Sussexes. Durek may be able to con a palatial mansion for a few days of photo shoots but I think that's about it.
I'll believe these rumors when Vanity Fair reports ML and Durek are actually living together in a palatial mansion in LA... not just renting one for a visit or a photo shoot.
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08-07-2021, 04:47 AM
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https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...eresten-i-sorg
A friend of the couple, Katie Griggs is dead. Also known as Guru Jagat, she had established a well known name for herself in connection with yoga Los Angeles.
She died of heart failure after a routine surgery.
Durek has written that he considered Katie Griggs a spiritual support and as someone who could make him smile - even in difficult time.
- Well, insensitive and inappropriate it may be, but my mind couldn't help thinking these two thoughts:
Doesn't this clash with Durek's teachings? He has on several occasions expressed a remarkable approach to illness and death.
Why does a yoga-instructor call herself a guru? I suppose you can become a guru in regards to yoga - if you are a Hindu.
ADDED: Did a quick Google. There are, as far as I can tell, no indications of her being a Hindu.
She died at the age of 41, which is of course terrible for her family.
Well, even people who have a - shall we say - very high commercial approach to Hindu spirituality, die eventually.
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08-07-2021, 05:46 AM
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Guru just means teacher, doeesnt it?
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08-07-2021, 06:00 AM
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Quote:
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Guru just means teacher, doeesnt it?
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In the Hindu interpretation a guru is a spiritual teacher and guide. You attain a higher level of spirituality through doing X, Y, Z.
Katie Griggs based her teaching on Yoga on a version taught by a yogi, which is indeed a (lesser in spiritual context) teacher. Eqiuvalent to the Japanese sensei. A master. Or perhaps more correctly a teacher in the art of Japanese archery, tea ceremony or sword fighting, which includes a high level of spirituality.
There are quite a few who have called themselves guru, but just like shaman or witch the title is somewhat questionable, certainly in the original interpretation. - But it sounds fancy.
What struck me about Katie Griggs was that she labeled herself a "serial-entrepreneur" bragged about it actually.
There are no doubt Christians among the members reading this, so this would IMO be the equivalent of someone selling splinters from the cross of Christ calling herself a "serial-entrepreneur."
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