The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #201  
Old 07-11-2017, 11:55 AM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 14,597
To be honest, I'm not that familiar with the Beckhams at all as I don't follow celebrities but in this case, I do believe the blame doesn't fall on them but rather on the Yorks. If they know this guy, they know how he operates and it was a severe lack of judgement to not ensure that a private visit to the palace remained private and out of the public eye.

From what I've been reading, its been stated that the general public touring Buckingham Palace are not allowed to use their cameras and take photos while in the palace. Seeing as Andrew has lived at BP just about all his life, its a rule he should have known about and asked the Beckhams not to take photographs.

All in all it was another thing for the media to bash the Yorks about and in this case, I'd go as far as to say it was deserved. It didn't do the royal family and those that run BP any favors either.
__________________

__________________
No law can be sacred to me but that of my nature. Good and bad are but names very readily transferable to that or this; the only right is what is after my constitution, the only wrong what is against it.

~~~Ralph Waldo Emerson~~~
Reply With Quote
  #202  
Old 07-11-2017, 01:36 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,862
In one sense I don't see anyone as having done anything wrong. If i was a member of the RF and could invite my friends little girl around to celebrate her birthday in Princess style would I do it? Yes of course. Likewise if I was friends with a member of the RF and had a daughter who loved being a 'Princess' and they invited us around for afternoon tea to celebrate her birthday would I accept, yes I would.

IMO I don't feel comfortable with this because I don't think the Beckhams and Yorks are that good friends that they see each other enough for it just to have come up in conversation. As such it makes you think that either the Beckhams or Yorks engineered the situation into this for their own benefit in some way (not necessarily financial).
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #203  
Old 07-11-2017, 03:03 PM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 13,601
I wouldn't be surprised if Beckham paid Fergie a lot of money to get access. Wouldn't be the first time for her to do something like that.
Reply With Quote
  #204  
Old 07-11-2017, 03:26 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,827
I think it's very important to not spread any rumors about this event. We all know everyone is worked about this tea party (I really don't know why) but I think it's very important to try to stay away from unfounded rumors about Sarah, Duchess of York, Prince Andrew and Princess Eugenie.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #205  
Old 07-11-2017, 03:58 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,862
Sarah's past selling access to her husband means it doesn't take a lot for the media to suggest thats what has been done here.
Reply With Quote
  #206  
Old 07-11-2017, 04:02 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade View Post
I wouldn't be surprised if Beckham paid Fergie a lot of money to get access. Wouldn't be the first time for her to do something like that.
The first thing I thought of too. The Beckham's seem to be relentless social climbers and David never misses an opportunity to appear close to the royals. I believe he would be willing to pay a lot for that birthday tea at the palace and given Fergie and Andrew's past money grabbing antics.....well, let's just say the whole situation dosn't look good for everyone involved.
Reply With Quote
  #207  
Old 07-11-2017, 04:05 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,827
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy100 View Post
Sarah's past selling access to her husband means it doesn't take a lot for the media to suggest thats what has been done here.
Yeah, we know the media would of course be quick to jump on that bandwagon, but there's no proof of any of that whatsoever. So going down that speculation is just wrong.

Members of the royal family do host private events at the royal residences. Nothing goes on in Buckingham Palace without The Queen's permission and knowledge. She's kept up to date about everything the family do and where they go. Even If there's some unwanted hanky panky going on, her staff let her know about it.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #208  
Old 07-11-2017, 04:22 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 5,025
I thought the same thing: that somehow Fergie benefits from this.

(We'll see if she starts turning up in items from Victoria's clothing line!)
Reply With Quote
  #209  
Old 07-11-2017, 04:52 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Coastal California, United States
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osipi View Post
Regardless of if it was Sarah or Andrew, the fact remains that what came out of it made it seem like Buckingham Palace is "for rent" to anyone with enough money to fork over to have a "palace" party for their kid. It didn't help matters that Eugenie posed with the little girls which made her look like a "princess for hire". I'm sure that Andrew will hear about it from his mother but we'll never know about it. Either way, the Yorks were careless in not setting certain parameters for this "tea party" and making sure that as it was a private party, it should remain private.

How soon is BP being closed down for renovations? Right now I'm thinking the quicker the better.
Well, I'm sure this tempest in a teapot will settle down as soon as the next headline grabbing event happens. But the obvious question is if BP is mostly for 'private events' for the Royal Family then why aren't they the ones paying for the renovations out of their own pocket or at least paying for the % which is used for private purposes?
Second question is why can the Beckhams post photos taken where the public who actually pay to visit aren't allowed to take them - seems rather unfair that Joe Public who spends his hard earned cash to visit BP is forbidden from taking photos for 'security' or whatever reasons yet the multi millionaire Beckhams can both take and post photos on the internet.
Perhaps BP can raise the funds for the renovations by hosting paid for tea parties for 6 year olds w/ a promise that a real princess will visit for poses and pictures just like Disney does w/ faux Princesses. Sarah can organize the tea parties.
Reply With Quote
  #210  
Old 07-11-2017, 05:52 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,862
I think the fact the pictures were so publicly shared shows that the Beckhams and Yorks aren't that close and this was a first time visit for them. If they visited so often they wouldn't post pictures on social media as they would just be visiting friends 'at home'.
Reply With Quote
  #211  
Old 07-11-2017, 06:17 PM
Leopoldine's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 610
I don't fault the Beckhams for taking up on an invitation to BP to do something special for the little cutie, if that's what happened. The resulting blame-game is making it all worse.

I personally thought that Angelina Jolie and her son taking a private evening tour of Buckingham Palace (about 2-3 months ago) was way more offensive.
Reply With Quote
  #212  
Old 07-12-2017, 12:26 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,984
Says it all really
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ew-Fergie.html
Reply With Quote
  #213  
Old 07-12-2017, 01:47 AM
M. Payton's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: USA, United States
Posts: 1,851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leopoldine View Post
I don't fault the Beckhams for taking up on an invitation to BP to do something special for the little cutie, if that's what happened. The resulting blame-game is making it all worse.

I personally thought that Angelina Jolie and her son taking a private evening tour of Buckingham Palace (about 2-3 months ago) was way more offensive.
IMO Angelina Jolie who is the mother of six, an Oscar winner, a director and actress and an Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations… and an humanitarian and now an Honorary Dame by HM is more of the stuff that HM seems to care about then a football player and his wife who are clearly social climbers and from viewing their pictures (as that is all we have) are nothing but people who think that their money will buy them entrance to BP. IMO all these 2 people are after is status and wealth and think that HM is their new best friend though Prince Andrew and Sarah....I sure hope not for then the republicans will be out in full force trying to displace HM and the entire family.
Reply With Quote
  #214  
Old 07-12-2017, 01:55 AM
Countessmeout's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: alberta, Canada
Posts: 11,164
The difference between Angelina and David is not who is the better person. The difference is the type of visit

Private tour of the public part if the palace va private event

Angelina had a private tour if the palace. Of state rooms and public spaces. The part of the palace that is a public building.

The Beckhams on the other hand were guests in private apartments.

What the critics seem to forget is the palace is also a residence for members of the royal family. Not just the queen. Including Andrew. He didn't invite them to have a tea party in the state banquet room. Or anything else related to his mother or being a sovereign. It was in his private apartments.

Royals do this alll the time. They do have private lives. If Camilla and Charles had a dinner party at Clarence House would people complain? If Kate and Will had a party for three friends at Kensington no one would blink. Meghan stays with Harry and no one complains.

The only difference is it is the Yorks. Any reason to dirty them is taken.
Reply With Quote
  #215  
Old 07-12-2017, 06:22 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 13,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by Countessmeout View Post
Royals do this alll the time. They do have private lives. If Camilla and Charles had a dinner party at Clarence House would people complain? If Kate and Will had a party for three friends at Kensington no one would blink. Meghan stays with Harry and no one complains.

The only difference is it is the Yorks. Any reason to dirty them is taken.
I wonder why. Of course royals have private lives but with the Yorks, very often personal benefit or at least something dodgy is involved/behind the motivation.
Reply With Quote
  #216  
Old 07-12-2017, 06:35 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,984
Let's not forget what has happened to London the last couple of months. So many young people killed or their parents have died. Homeless with nothing and the Yorks throw a princess experience party for a privileged 6 year old
Extremely bad taste at the very least no matter who did it
Reply With Quote
  #217  
Old 07-12-2017, 07:38 AM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 14,597
I most definitely agree. Its one thing to invite your friends over to a dinner party or tea in your royal apartments at BP like the Yorks did as that has happened many, many times. It was extremely bad taste and poor form to not set parameters with the guests as what is allowed and what is not allowed and to request that the party be strictly treated as a private matter and the general rule for *everybody* is that no pictures are allowed to be taken while in BP. Andrew, above all, should have known better.

It also reflected badly on the Beckhams' part not only to post the pictures and allude to things that caused quite a bit of backlash, but it also reflects these parents as blatantly using their child to garner popularity and admiration from the general masses. It was a "look at what *WE* can do and you can't" kind of a move with a whole lot of name dropping to boot.

None involved in this fiasco (excepting the six year olds) showed any kind of class whatsoever. These are people that wonder why the press has a field day with them.
__________________
No law can be sacred to me but that of my nature. Good and bad are but names very readily transferable to that or this; the only right is what is after my constitution, the only wrong what is against it.

~~~Ralph Waldo Emerson~~~
Reply With Quote
  #218  
Old 07-12-2017, 10:35 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Middlewich, United Kingdom
Posts: 20,737
Quote:
Originally Posted by royal rob View Post
Let's not forget what has happened to London the last couple of months. So many young people killed or their parents have died. Homeless with nothing and the Yorks throw a princess experience party for a privileged 6 year old
Extremely bad taste at the very least no matter who did it


So I have major issues with the situation. Like I think it's completely out of line that Sarah has basically sold her ex-husbands home and her daughter for the Beckhams.

However, I disagree that you can compare the goings on in London with somebody having a birthday party. All that had to happen is for nobody to post pictures. Then nobody would know. Harper Beckham can have a birthday party, a princess experience one because she's allowed. You cannot blame Harper for her parents and who she was born to. It's like attacking Eugenie for Sarah's mistakes. Shouldn't happen.

Whilst this situation is a huge failure on the PR part, live goes on. Atrocities happen, if you're going to say the above then you might as well say that the State Visit shouldn't happen because look at all those ladies in tiaras.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #219  
Old 07-12-2017, 11:20 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 5,025
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
It's like attacking Eugenie for Sarah's mistakes. Shouldn't happen.

But shouldn't Eugenie realize that it is a major mistake to take part in these things?

It's been said that Fergie and Andrew never learn, but Eugenie ought to know better after all the blunders her parents have made in the past.
Reply With Quote
  #220  
Old 07-12-2017, 11:49 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Brasil, Brazil
Posts: 10
York's can never win. This story reminded me of Beatrice and Ed Sheeran last year and everything that was done about it, and it was not even that.
So the parts we do not know make a lot of difference, about what really happened.

I think it's my first comment, sorry my English.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
duke of york, prince andrew, princess beatrice, princess eugenie, sarah duchess of york, sarah ferguson


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
York Family News and Pictures 1: September 2003-September 2015 Martine Current Events Archive 1441 09-14-2015 05:00 AM
Princess Beatrice of York News and Pictures 2: August 2004-August 2005 samitude Current Events Archive 185 08-08-2005 05:01 AM
Princess Beatrice of York News and Pictures 1: May 2003-July 2004 Josefine Current Events Archive 83 07-27-2004 05:18 PM




Popular Tags
aristocracy armenia bangladesh belgian royal belgian royal family charles of wales chittagong crown crown prince hussein crown prince hussein's future wife cyprus danish royalty denmark diana princess of wales duchess of cambridge duchess of sussex dutch royal family dutch royals french revolution future genealogy germany haakon vii hill history house of bernadotte house of grimaldi israel jumma kent kiko king salman lithuania lithuanian palaces mailing meghan markle monaco christening monarchist monogram mountbatten naples netflix nobel prize norway history official visit pakistan popularity potential areas prince charles prince daniel princely family of monaco princess margaret pronunciation queen maud queen paola rania of jordan rown royal children south korea spain state visit state visit to denmark sweden swedish history thailand tracts united kingdom unsubscribe visit from sweden working royals; full-time royals; part-time royals;


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:29 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2020
Jelsoft Enterprises
×