The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023 - Page 87

Elenath · #**1721** 07-14-2019, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG

Jeffrey Epstein's arrest shows the power of one newspaper's investigation

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/08/m...ald/index.html

Let's face it, it was only through the persistence of one woman with the backing of her editor to turn this around and make TPTB start seeking other avenues such as NY.

That woman deserves a medal. This is what journalism should be. Not the lazy-click-bait type articles we see too often.

MARG · #**1722** 07-14-2019, 11:18 AM

It has been a long time since I have admired an individual Newspaper Reporter or even a Mixed Media reporter. It is amazing what one woman, Julie K Brown, with passion and a determination for justice whatever the cost, can do.

Madame Verseau · #**1723** 07-14-2019, 01:22 PM

This is from the Times. US court unsealing the files involving Andrew and his accuser.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...drew-9f0v6db5d

The judge would have to have seen the file and weigh the law before his ruling. Express is allegeding the files are about 2000, no matter. If Andrew's name comes out in more detail it's not good.

Osipi · #**1724** 07-25-2019, 12:52 PM

Seems like Jeffrey Epstein is finding out that being incarcerated at the Metropolitan Correction Center in NYC is not the "cushy" punishment he scored before. He was found almost unconscious this morning from neck injuries. Its possible it was a suicide attempt but also possible that he was attacked.

I believe in full justice and if you do the crime, you do the time but should he have been attacked, that is unacceptable to me.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...513174311.html

Troy Thompson · #**1725** 07-25-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

Seems like Jeffrey Epstein is finding out that being incarcerated at the Metropolitan Correction Center in NYC is not the "cushy" punishment he scored before. He was found almost unconscious this morning from neck injuries. Its possible it was a suicide attempt but also possible that he was attacked.

I believe in full justice and if you do the crime, you do the time but should he have been attacked, that is unacceptable to me.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...513174311.html

Honestly, I don't care what happens to Epstein as a principle in itself. However, it is imperative that no harm be allowed to befall him that will prevent him from ratting out his friends—he needs to be kept safe until he's divulged all he knows. Otherwise, quite a few child rapists will be able to live happy knowing that their secret is safe.

ladongas · #**1726** 08-04-2019, 03:45 PM

Sad but true. A man is known by the company he keeps.

**Ista** · #**1727** 08-04-2019, 03:54 PM

The article isn't directly about Prince Andrew, but it certainly makes you wonder if he knew about some of Jeffrey Epstein's bizarre ideas. Either way, it doesn't in any way reflect well on Prince Andrew's judgment.

Osipi · #**1728** 08-04-2019, 04:24 PM

I'm sure there are a whole lot of people out there crossing all their body parts that their association with Jeffrey Epstein doesn't come out and is made public. Even those that just associated with Epstein on a business level and had no clue about Epstein's private life and ideas. Andrew's name keeps on cropping up though as a "friend". and that one photograph will just not go away.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...se/1692505001/
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Rena M. · #**1729** 08-05-2019, 01:19 PM

... I think he is full fledged psychopath, who knows lots of dirty secrets of some rich and powerful people.

**JessRulz** · #**1730** 08-07-2019, 03:42 AM

As it has been some time since the Epstein scandal was in the main media, it is worth again noting that the moderating team had previously determined that this thread was specifically for Prince Andrew's involvement / connections in the scandal, not the wider Epstein scandal.

As such, several recent posts have been removed as there was no link to Prince Andrew. Please try and moderate your comments / linked media sources to the topic.

MARG · #**1731** 08-07-2019, 04:30 PM

I find it weird and very pointed that Andrew's name is being sullied for no other reason than he is who he is.

Epstein's courted the great and the good and his girlfriend paved the way for the international movers and shakers. Andrew was just one of the great and the good that includes Nobel Laureate's, US Presidents and Royalty.

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It's a convoluted story but this is the bottom line: The current charges against Epstein do not involve Prince Andrew in any way.

It is a pity that the tabloids feel the need for a good York bashing with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink insinuation of guilt by association while retreading the same old photos.

HereditaryPrincess · #**1732** 08-07-2019, 04:47 PM

The media will connect Andrew to the Epstein scandal because they always love a bit of dirt on the royals - it's what gets them sales, sadly.

Heavs · #**1733** 08-07-2019, 05:21 PM

It's not like there aren't legitimate questions about Andrew's involvement and knowledge of this show thing though, hence this thread is nearly 10 years old. He isn't simply being sullied for who he is, we all know his ex wife admitted to borrowing a substantial amount of money from him, he lost his trade envoy job over his links to Epstein *after* he had been convicted last time and has been accused of having sex with one of Epstein's underage girls and we know there's proof he at least met her.

At the very least he has shown terrible judgement when it comes to this man, him and many others it seems. I don't know if Andrew will be implicated in any of the latest round but it's not surprising he's being talked about, though there hasn't been a lot (yet?) this time really, at least in the UK.

Empress Merel · #**1734** 08-07-2019, 06:24 PM

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The media will connect Andrew to the Epstein scandal because they always love a bit of dirt on the royals - it's what gets them sales, sadly.

Andrew is NOT a victim here. He got himself into the scandal, nobody else did.

HereditaryPrincess · #**1735** 08-07-2019, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Empress Merel

Andrew is NOT a victim here. He got himself into the scandal, nobody else did.

Nowhere did I say that Andrew was a victim. And by “sadly” I was referring to the whole culture about trying to find digs on the royals, not just Andrew. I’m certainly not an apologist for someone involved in such a scandal! I’m quite saddened at this reaction from what I thought was an easy enough to understand post, but it seems that whenever I post someone will twist my words or read too much into what I say. All I was doing was referring to the media culture of scandals after another poster mentioned about the sullying of Andrew. It wasn’t meant as a sympathy post. Yes, he got himself into the scandal, that’s clear - but the media is now looking for every tiny detail that may be slightly negative and it’s that aspect that annoys me, not the fact that Andrew is being mentioned (as I said, the culture in general).

I apologise if I sounded rude in some places, or if this wasn’t your intention, but I’m just a bit fed up of having to explain myself every time I join in an animated discussion. It’s put me off joining the big debates here and I was a bit sceptical about whether I should post in this one or not. TRF should be fun!

tommy100 · #**1736** 08-07-2019, 07:08 PM

I'd have sympathy for Andrew if the media were making a fuss simply because he was friends with Epstein before his criminal acts were known, but Andrew actively engaged and met with Epstein after his first conviction, so Andrew must have known what Epstein had been convicted of and chosen not to care.

This is a Royal Forum so of course the focus here is on Andrew, likewise he is the only real major British person of note to keep cropping in this again and again with so much evidence of meetings between the two etc so of course the media are making a fuss over it.

O-H Anglophile · #**1737** 08-07-2019, 08:26 PM

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Spending time with a convicted pedophile is pretty sketchy; but it really depends on what UKTI decides. Public outry in the papers alone can't affect Andrew's role one way or the other.

Except Epstein wasn't convicted of having sex with anyone under the age of consent. There are lots of allegations, probably mostly true-but that is not what is on his criminal record. He pled guilty to two counts of felony prostitution.

A number of people are coming out now saying they had no idea the seriousness of all the allegations until recently, they hadn't heard them and only knew about the prostitution plea deal.

Obviously Epstein is also a very skilled con-man. A lot of important businessmen, scientists and others have been taken in by him

Empress Merel · #**1738** 08-08-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Nowhere did I say that Andrew was a victim. And by “sadly” I was referring to the whole culture about trying to find digs on the royals, not just Andrew. I’m certainly not an apologist for someone involved in such a scandal! I’m quite saddened at this reaction from what I thought was an easy enough to understand post, but it seems that whenever I post someone will twist my words or read too much into what I say. All I was doing was referring to the media culture of scandals after another poster mentioned about the sullying of Andrew. It wasn’t meant as a sympathy post. Yes, he got himself into the scandal, that’s clear - but the media is now looking for every tiny detail that may be slightly negative and it’s that aspect that annoys me, not the fact that Andrew is being mentioned (as I said, the culture in general).

I apologise if I sounded rude in some places, or if this wasn’t your intention, but I’m just a bit fed up of having to explain myself every time I join in an animated discussion. It’s put me off joining the big debates here and I was a bit sceptical about whether I should post in this one or not. TRF should be fun!

In my opinion, it's the job of any self-respecting journalist to go down to the bottom and get the details. You don't take down powerful, priviliged men by only scratching the surface.

MARG · #**1739** 08-09-2019, 03:38 AM

In my opinion you are right . . . when someone such as Epstein has been arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced, go fill your boots. But trial by media for someone who the Prosecutions has already stated was not involved or included in this case in NY, is just not on. Publishing speculation is not the work of self-respecting investigative journalists, certainly not if it is the DM.

You cannot go around calling people paedophiles just because of their acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein.

HereditaryPrincess · #**1740** 08-09-2019, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG

In my opinion you are right . . . when someone such as Epstein has been arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced, go fill your boots. But trial by media for someone who the Prosecutions has already stated was not involved or included in this case in NY, is just not on. Publishing speculation is not the work of self-respecting investigative journalists, certainly not if it is the DM.

You cannot go around calling people paedophiles just because of their acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein.

Thank you. This is exactly what I was trying to say, but you explained it much more eloquently than me so it seems my words were twisted again!