The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by royal rob

Which is why Koo giving interviews is highly suss

I don't understand. I would have thought it might be naive, since she's old enough to know that often friends and family suspect nothing when in fact their friend/loved one is in fact off on a grand old crime spree when they're not looking. But why "suss"?

[hernameispekka]

Originally Posted by Roslyn

I don't understand. I would have thought it might be naive, since she's old enough to know that often friends and family suspect nothing when in fact their friend/loved one is in fact off on a grand old crime spree when they're not looking. But why "suss"?

I agree. More naive than suspect. If she was clever and just wanted money she wouldn't connect herself to a thing that could blow up in her face if it's proved he did it. So my money is on naive.

[royal rob]

What else has she got to sell except her time with Andrew


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[hernameispekka]

Originally Posted by royal rob

What else has she got to sell except her time with Andrew


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She could sell old stories about him, not comment that he's "too good" to do something like this.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by hernameispekka

She could sell old stories about him, not comment that he's "too good" to do something like this.

That's a none story they wouldn't pay for it without mention of what's happening now


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[hernameispekka]

Originally Posted by royal rob

That's a none story they wouldn't pay for it without mention of what's happening now


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Depends on the story. We don't know what she's sitting on.


And who says she is wanting to sell? For all we know she did it to help him in her naive, non-helping way.

[Dman]

Is there anything going on with the case? The story seems to have died down. Much to the relief of Prince Andrew and Palace officials.

[royal rob]

Koo part 2
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Koo-Stark.html


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[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Dman

Is there anything going on with the case? The story seems to have died down. Much to the relief of Prince Andrew and Palace officials.

It's still bubbling along. The victims have now obtained the full text of correspondence between the defense attorneys and the prosecutors and Epstein's trying to get orders to keep it all secret so the press doesn't get hold of it to generate publicity. (Surprise, surprise! ) The Jane Does are opposing such orders. http://images.politico.com/global/20...ordptfoppn.pdf

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Roslyn

It's still bubbling along. The victims have now obtained the full text of correspondence between the defense attorneys and the prosecutors and Epstein's trying to get orders to keep it all secret so the press doesn't get hold of it to generate publicity. (Surprise, surprise! ) The Jane Does are opposing such orders. http://images.politico.com/global/20...ordptfoppn.pdf

Oh okay. I just didn't seem much about it in the press.

[Roslyn]

And Epstein wants to keep it that way.

[MARG]

Well that I can accept and agree because we have already seen the trail of devastation caused by trial by media on the internet for those who were merely "mentioned" in the Civil Suit.

I firmly believe that had anything of a criminal nature been established by the released documents, warrents would have been issued and people charged. Had there been any crime committed that is subsequently not able to be addressed because of the Statute of Limitations, I would expect the District Attorney's Office to have made a pre-emptive PR strike to get the heat off themselves.

That has not happened so it seems to me it is down to whose PR assault is the best.

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by MARG

Well that I can accept and agree because we have already seen the trail of devastation caused by trial by media on the internet for those who were merely "mentioned" in the Civil Suit.

I firmly believe that had anything of a criminal nature been established by the released documents, warrents would have been issued and people charged. Had there been any crime committed that is subsequently not able to be addressed because of the Statute of Limitations, I would expect the District Attorney's Office to have made a pre-emptive PR strike to get the heat off themselves.

That has not happened so it seems to me it is down to whose PR assault is the best.

The documents in question are not evidence of guilt - they allegedly show who corresponded with the U.S. attorney trying to get Epstein a favorable deal, I think (did not read the opposition to the motion Roslyn posted, just a quick glance).

Also, prosecutors often have evidence of guilt but decline to prosecute. It happens all the time, for many reasons.

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by royal rob

Koo part 2
Prince Andrew was 'sexploited'. So was I, says his former lover Koo Stark | Daily Mail Online

I watched the video. I was surprised that she reminded me of Sarah Ferguson. She looks lovely and seems grounded.

Honestly, I saw nothing more than a friend, perhaps the only one among Andrew's friends who can do so, can step forward and take the risk. She's being a friend, and if she's accepting a fee for her story, I don't think it's a problem, nor would Andrew find it a problem, given who he seems to be. JMO.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Ms Roberts' already doubtful credibility is under pressure: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2125569

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Ms Roberts' already doubtful credibility is under pressure: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2125569

Of course, it doesn't mean that she is lying about her relationship with Prince Andrew but, if the Daily News can be believed, it raises serious questions about her credibility. I also feel for the two boys and their families who apparently went through months of uncertainty because of false allegation.

It is actually quite sad. The article mentions a group home. Was Ms. Roberts placed in a group home at 14 for some reason? What would drive a 14 year old girl to use drugs and get involved in sex? I know many teens have sexual relations but 14 is very young. She must have been desperate to be loved.

[Mermaid1962]

If she was in a group home, it means that her family was severely troubled or that she was so "wild" that her parents couldn't handle her. Social workers will do almost anything to keep a family together. Breaking up a family unit is a last resort. I'm guessing that Ms. Roberts was sexually abused as a child, which made her highly vulnerable to other predators. This is just a guess, and I'm not suggesting that the abuse took place in her own home.

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

It is actually quite sad. The article mentions a group home. Was Ms. Roberts placed in a group home at 14 for some reason? What would drive a 14 year old girl to use drugs and get involved in sex? I know many teens have sexual relations but 14 is very young. She must have been desperate to be loved.

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Ms Roberts' already doubtful credibility is under pressure: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2125569

So the three of them got wasted on booze and drugs and had a threesome. Seems the only issue was whether or not it was consensual. The authorities decided not to proceed. Wouldn't be the first time. Doesn't mean the 14 year old girl was lying when she said she didn't consent to the sex. This sad incident doesn't mean she was lying about Andrew, it just explains something about the sort of life she lived in those early teen years and how she got sucked in by Epstein. She was a very vulnerable teenage girl.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Duke of York’s 'sex slave' accuser had rape claim rejected at 14 - Telegraph

The “sex slave” at the centre of allegations against the Duke of York previously claimed that she was a victim of rape, but the case was dropped amid doubts about her credibility, according to court papers.

Virginia Roberts alleged that two teenage male friends sexually assaulted her in a car in Florida in 1998 after they smoked marijuana and drank alcohol when she was 14.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Roslyn

So the three of them got wasted on booze and drugs and had a threesome. Seems the only issue was whether or not it was consensual. The authorities decided not to proceed. Wouldn't be the first time. Doesn't mean the 14 year old girl was lying when she said she didn't consent to the sex. This sad incident doesn't mean she was lying about Andrew, it just explains something about the sort of life she lived in those early teen years and how she got sucked in by Epstein. She was a very vulnerable teenage girl.

As the picture of Robert's early adolescence is painted, I think we can easily see why she would have found the lifestyle that Epstein was offering to her as somewhat of a miracle.