The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Princess of Durham]

This woman really needs to keep her mouth firmly shut!!!!

[Roslyn]

Oh dear!

[royal rob]

I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Fergie's mouth and hope people realize the girl isn't " out to get Andrew " she trying to get Epstein. Can't see this happening too many rich and powerful people that can pull strings and make stuff disappear.
When has a young female ever won against rich powerful men


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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...le-pal-5037951


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[Curryong]

I hope Fergie keeps quiet. If she tries to 'help' by giving Andrew an alibi and later proof comes out that Andrew was there, she may well end up regretting it.

[royal rob]

After reading Epstein meet Fergie and the princess's I feel sick and disgusted that Andrew would introduce his beautiful girls to such a disgusting and immoral person.



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Originally Posted by Curryong

I hope Fergie keeps quiet. If she tries to 'help' by giving Andrew an alibi and later proof comes out that Andrew was there, she may well end up regretting it.

If she does say something no one will believe her because she would have said it when she was telling the world that Andrew was the greatest man ever and her best ex husband ( and only as far as we know )


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[US Royal Watcher]

I think Jane Doe #3 is out to get Epstein, Andrew, and Dershowitz. Otherwise, why did her lawyers send Andrew the letter AND release the contents to the media? She's going after all three of them.


Regarding the possibility that Andrew was with Fergie and his daughters, the article doesn't indicate that Fergie is saying anything. The fact that the York family spent Easter 2001 in the Bahamas was probably reported by the media at the time. The question is whether any of the plane's manifests indicate whether Andrew flew to Epstein's private island. If there are no plane manifests to that effect and Fergie, her daughters, and other possible witnesses say that Andrew never left the Bahamas, it hurts Jane Doe's case.


Jane Doe #3 has given specific dates and places where she claims sexual encounters with both Andrew and Dershowitz took place. Dershowitz has filed documents casting doubt on her claims. If it turns out that Jane Doe's specific claims are incorrect, it casts doubt on her overall credibility.


It's possible that Jane Doe has a lousy memory for dates and the rest of her story is accurate. However, mistakes like that could provide Dershowitz, Andrew and their supporters an opening to discredit her allegations.

[hernameispekka]

Originally Posted by royal rob

After reading Epstein meet Fergie and the princess's I feel sick and disgusted that Andrew would introduce his beautiful girls to such a disgusting and immoral person.



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I think it was Sarah that was friends with Epstein first though...

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by royal rob

If she does say something no one will believe her because she would have said it when she was telling the world that Andrew was the greatest man ever and her best ex husband ( and only as far as we know )


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We are talking about events that happened 14 years ago. The royals travel so much that I wouldn't be surprised if they had to double check the dates of their travel.

I think it is safe to say that Andrew's lawyers are trying to verify his whereabouts for that time period and probably won't go public until they can be absolutely sure they won't be contradicted.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by hernameispekka

I think it was Sarah that was friends with Epstein first though...

It may have been but Andrew was there when the girls meet Epstein

What hold does Sarah have over Andrew ?? It's the strangest relationship with lots of grubby people and money leaders etc


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[Roslyn]

For what it's worth, in her affidavit of 19 January 2015, Roberts says the Virgin Islands orgy took place when she was "about 18" and that Andrew flew out the next morning. She turned 18 in August 2001. On 11 September 2001 Andrew flew to Atlanta for an Outward Bound Trust dinner that evening. The CC does not mention when he returned though he was back in London for The Changing of the Guard on the 13th September. On 13th October he flew to New York for a few days of engagements. He returned on 17th October and it was a busy schedule of engagements with no days unaccounted on that trip.

Earlier in her affidavit she said that her second encounter with Andrew was in Epstein's mansion in New York in "Spring 2001". Andrew started an official tour of the US on 9th April 2001, landing in New York that day and he then had 2 days of engagements in Boston and returned to New York on 11th April. Roberts & Epstein landed in New York on 9th April. There's no record of what Andrew did between 11th April and 15th April (Easter Sunday) when he was in the Bahamas with Sarah and the girls.

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by Roslyn

For what it's worth, in her affidavit of 19 January 2015, Roberts says the Virgin Islands orgy took place when she was "about 18" and that Andrew flew out the next morning. She turned 18 in August 2001. On 11 September 2001 Andrew flew to Atlanta for an Outward Bound Trust dinner that evening. The CC does not mention when he returned though he was back in London for The Changing of the Guard on the 13th September. On 13th October he flew to New York for a few days of engagements. He returned on 17th October and it was a busy schedule of engagements with no days unaccounted on that trip.

Can the information about September 11th and September 13th be correct? I thought all planes, including private aircraft, to and from the United States were grounded. I supposed it is possible he flew in a military plane.


ETA: I think his plane into the U.S. may have been allowed to land, but how did he get back to the UK? Private and commercial planes were grounded.

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

Can the information about September 11th and September 13th be correct? I thought all planes, including private aircraft, to and from the United States were grounded. I supposed it is possible he flew in a military plane.


ETA: I think his plane into the U.S. may have been allowed to land, but how did he get back to the UK? Private and commercial planes were grounded.

Excellent question. I'm afraid the significance of the dates hadn't registered with me, though the should, of course. He somehow got back to London though by the 13th, because the CC records "The Duke of York witnessed a special tribute at the start of the Changing of the Guard on the Forecourt of Buckingham Palace this morning, in recognition of the tragic events in the United States of America. His Excellency the Ambassador of the United States of America was present."

[Skippyboo]

I found this article about a guy from Coke who was organizing the dinner in Atlanta that Andrew was going to attend. His London flight on 9/11 was diverted to Canada. The attacks were in the morning so I don't think a super early flight would have made it to Atlanta especially since the flight is longer in time than going from US to UK because it's against the jet stream. U.S. Flights started back up on 9/13

http://www.theguardian.com/media/200...smandthemedia1


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[Lady Nimue]

Hmmmm.......I haven't been following the thread or the story but just heard this with two commentators I respect. Papantonio is a lawyer. This is ugly. Seems like there could be some political blackmail afoot here.

PAPANTONIO: THE PLOT THICKENS IN THE DERSHOWITZ-EPSTEIN STORY
LINK: Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story | Ring of Fire

Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=Z6JmkAlrZic
TEXT: "Published on Jan 23, 2015: The Jeffrey Epstein / Alan Dershowitz child sex scandal has mainly fallen through the cracks of mainstream media’s attention, but the story has the potential to become the Bill Cosby scandal on steroids. America’s Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, discusses the case with Thom Hartmann."

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by Skippyboo

I found this article about a guy from Coke who was organizing the dinner in Atlanta that Andrew was going to attend. His London flight on 9/11 was diverted to Canada. The attacks were in the morning so I don't think a super early flight would have made it to Atlanta especially since the flight is longer in time than going from US to UK because it's against the jet stream. U.S. Flights started back up on 9/13

The comfort of strangers | Media | The Guardian

How very interesting. Good sleuthing!

That article reminds me that I saw a telemovie about those landings in Newfoundland. It was made in 2009 and David Suchet was in it. "Diverted" was the name of it. The IMDb blurb says: "38 planes headed to New York City were diverted to Gander, Newfoundland, Canada. A town of 9,000 took in 7,000 passengers for 4 days until American airspace reopened."

The CC entry for 11 September 2001 says:

"The Duke of York this morning departed Gatwick Airport, London, for Atlanta, Georgia, United States of America.
His Royal Highness was received on arrival at Hartsfield International Airport this afternoon by Her Majesty's Consul-General for Atlanta (Mr. Michael Bates).
The Duke of York, Chairman of the Trustees, Outward Bound Trust, this evening attended a Dinner at Piedmont Driving Club, Piedmont Avenue, Atlanta.
Captain Richard Dilworth is in attendance."

Does this mean we cannot rely on the accuracy of the CC?

Seems there were still planes landing at Atlanta till nearly midday. Edited to delete link which doesn't show as a link but as a direct image. If you google "September 11: FAA Closure of US Airspace" you can see a planetracker image of all the flights leaving and landing at the various airports that morning.

[Curryong]

Interesting, Lady Nimue! Thanks for that.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue

Hmmmm.......I haven't been following the thread or the story but just heard this with two commentators I respect. Papantonio is a lawyer. This is ugly. Seems like there could be some political blackmail afoot here.

PAPANTONIO: THE PLOT THICKENS IN THE DERSHOWITZ-EPSTEIN STORY
LINK: Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story | Ring of Fire

Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=Z6JmkAlrZic
TEXT: "Published on Jan 23, 2015: The Jeffrey Epstein / Alan Dershowitz child sex scandal has mainly fallen through the cracks of mainstream media’s attention, but the story has the potential to become the Bill Cosby scandal on steroids. America’s Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, discusses the case with Thom Hartmann."

Thank you so much for this
Wish everyone could see this, people have to made to pay for what they have done


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[Winnie]

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue

Hmmmm.......I haven't been following the thread or the story but just heard this with two commentators I respect. Papantonio is a lawyer. This is ugly. Seems like there could be some political blackmail afoot here.

PAPANTONIO: THE PLOT THICKENS IN THE DERSHOWITZ-EPSTEIN STORY
LINK: Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story | Ring of Fire

Papantonio: The Plot Thickens in the Dershowitz-Epstein Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=Z6JmkAlrZic
TEXT: "Published on Jan 23, 2015: The Jeffrey Epstein / Alan Dershowitz child sex scandal has mainly fallen through the cracks of mainstream media’s attention, but the story has the potential to become the Bill Cosby scandal on steroids. America’s Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, discusses the case with Thom Hartmann."

Just watched and really makes me wonder !!!

[Skippyboo]

Apparently Andrew was en route to Atlanta on 9/11 but the plane turned around and returned to London

http://onlineathens.com/stories/0504...20504024.shtml


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[Roslyn]

Thanks so much for posting that, Lady Nimue. It's great stuff! I was very pleased to hear what he said about the Statute of Limitations point.