The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Leopoldine]

Originally Posted by Denville

I dont think that he's going to do that. He made such a mess of defending himself on TV, Im sure that the Royal advisers are nervous of what stupid things he might say to the FBI...even if he's not guity of anything...
besides, its pretty obvious that Andrew doesn't notice things that much He may well feel that he doesn't remember anything that might be helpful so its best not ot put himself into talking with a bunch of FBI agents. HIs arrogant attitude that he just expects there to be "people around him" and his rich friends, who are - servants, masseurs, asistants, dogsbodies … and he does not really see such people.. so he is not likely to come out with anything helpful.

"Helpful" -- for whom? He's a teeny bit of a loose cannon and can be very helpful to the opposition because of his blinkered arrogance. He is known for not taking advice from courtiers.

This is a shame, as he was such an inspiration when he was fighting for the UK in the Falklands and the most handsome man in England.

Maybe he agreed to an interview with Emily Maitlis to help boost Fergie with her new line of Duchess products.

[Betsypaige]

Looks like the Queen and Charles had another summit at Sandringham......they're getting used to this, lol (though actually it's kind of sad)

THE Queen and Prince Charles held an emergency meeting to discuss scandal-hit Prince Andrew.

They took time out from royal estate business at Sandringham to chat about “family matters”.

A royal source said: “Both had hoped the Duke of York could perhaps be rehabilitated back into public life in time but that is now looking increasingly unlikely.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/108512...prince-andrew/

[MARG]

I have to admit I am disgusted by the action of members of the Federal investigation into the Epstein affair. Giving interviews about Andrew's supposed worth to an investigation that will never go to trial. Making it seem like he he is a felon hiding from them from behind his name and location

I'd love to see them try this on some of the great and good in the U.S. The lawsuits would be flying and indignant outrage would fill the headlines.

Basically I believe the have a large number of the top 5% might've, could've, should've, would've or perhaps maybe. "What" is the question they can't answer through either lack of diligence or lack of intelligence.

However, the rot does start from the top and they appear to be forgoing such trivialities as procedure and the law in an attempt to satisfy the sensibilities of those concerned.

[Osipi]

One thing for sure is that if the federal investigation really did want to talk to Andrew about what he *may* know, going about it stating publicly that he's not "cooperating" and "ignoring requests" isn't going to make Andrew or his legal team eager to bounce into their office with information any time soon and spill the beans.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Osipi

One thing for sure is that if the federal investigation really did want to talk to Andrew about what he *may* know, going about it stating publicly that he's not "cooperating" and "ignoring requests" isn't going to make Andrew or his legal team eager to bounce into their office with information any time soon and spill the beans.

Agreed.....again with the bull in the china shop. There's no reason to go public with this unless they're trying to put pressure on the BRF or others to somehow force Andrew to talk.......as if they can do that.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Osipi

One thing for sure is that if the federal investigation really did want to talk to Andrew about what he *may* know, going about it stating publicly that he's not "cooperating" and "ignoring requests" isn't going to make Andrew or his legal team eager to bounce into their office with information any time soon and spill the beans.

This, if true, is another sick and sad thing about his role.
I hope they will do anything they can, but doubt it and compared to what would happen to a " nobody" this information spread now is a very little action, maybe to rise some smoke when there is no fire/ or interest to really put Andrew into the trouble he deserves!

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by MARG

I have to admit I am disgusted by the action of members of the Federal investigation into the Epstein affair. Giving interviews about Andrew's supposed worth to an investigation that will never go to trial. Making it seem like he he is a felon hiding from them from behind his name and location

I'd love to see them try this on some of the great and good in the U.S. The lawsuits would be flying and indignant outrage would fill the headlines.

Basically I believe the have a large number of the top 5% might've, could've, should've, would've or perhaps maybe. "What" is the question they can't answer through either lack of diligence or lack of intelligence.

However, the rot does start from the top and they appear to be forgoing such trivialities as procedure and the law in an attempt to satisfy the sensibilities of those concerned.

So you believe Andrew should be treated better?
It is a sad fact that abuse of children is a tabu in many societies, instead of helping the victims and stopping this crime, society turns them into feeling guilty.
This is disgusting.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Helen.CH

This, if true, is another sick and sad thing about his role.
I hope they will do anything they can, but doubt it and compared to what would happen to a " nobody" this information spread now is a very little action, maybe to rise some smoke when there is no fire/ or interest to really put Andrew into the trouble he deserves!

What trouble does he deserve? Being called into court about the allegations put against him by Virginia Roberts Giuffre? If that was to happen, it would be a matter for a civil court and not any way connected to the federal investigation into sex trafficking.

There is absolutely no indication that Andrew is being looked at whatsoever for a federal or international level crime nor has he been accused or alleged to have a reason to be looked at for a crime at this kind of a level. The federal investigation is proceeding ahead to find and prosecute those that aided and abetted Epstein in his sex trafficking ring of underage girls. That's *not* Andrew.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by MARG

I have to admit I am disgusted by the action of members of the Federal investigation into the Epstein affair. Giving interviews about Andrew's supposed worth to an investigation that will never go to trial. Making it seem like he he is a felon hiding from them from behind his name and location.

Has Prince Andrew not started this by declaring his will to co-operate with law enforcement?

Now the press was asking: And, does he? And then the Feds claimed, he is not answering their calls...

At least, if I remember it right...

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by victor1319

Has Prince Andrew not started this by declaring his will to co-operate with law enforcement?

Now the press was asking: And, does he? And then the Feds claimed, he is not answering their calls...

At least, if I remember it right...

Andrew was indeed asked whether he would willing to help out in the investigation. He was clearly hesitant and uncomfortable and referred to the need to ask for legal advice (like any other person) but that he would be willing to do so IF his legal team ok-ed it. Apparently, his legal team advised him not to answer any questions (presumably because it might backfire as someone explained based on the by now well-known lecture).

[Somebody]

I looked up his exact words from the original interview:

I: "Would you be willing to testify or give a statement under oath if you were asked?"
DoY (all the while shaking his head): "Well, I'm like everybody else and I would have to ehm take all the legal advise ehm that there was before I was to to do that sort of of thing but if push came to shove and the leg (cough) the legal advice was to to do so than I would be dutybound to do so."

So, that doesn't really sound as if he was 'willing'; more like he would only do so if he had no other option...

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Somebody

I looked up his full words from the original interview:
I: "Would you be willing to testify or give a statement under oath if you were asked?"
DoY (all the why shaking is head): "Well, I'm like everybody else and I would have to ehm take all the legal advise ehm that there was before I was to to do that sort of of thing but if push came to shove and the leg (cough) the legal advice was to to do so than I would be dutybound to do so."

So, that doesn't really sound as if he was 'willing'; more like he would only do so if he had no other option...

After the interview Prince Andrew made a statement, in which he said this:
"Of course, I am willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations, if required."

[Madame Verseau]

As far as I see it SDNY is working its reputation on going after and taking down powerful people. The prosecutors don't care that Andrew is royal; they see him as a British national who may have knowledge or played a role in crimes against U.S. citizens.

[Osipi]

For me, I think the Fed's main interest in Andrew most likely is his connection and friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell. They're most likely more interested in finding Maxwell and prosecuting her than actually try and pin anything on Andrew.

As far as I'm aware, there's been no hint of Andrew committing any kind of a crime against U.S. citizens that the federal investigation would be looking at.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

After the interview Prince Andrew made a statement, in which he said this:
"Of course, I am willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations, if required."

Thanks!

The key word might be required... He didn't say requested...

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Thanks!

The key word might be required... He didn't say requested...

If he gets an official request from the FBI, to his lawyers, and still stalls or refuses to go... that is one thing. But Im sure he is wary of talking to them and unless he can tell them where Ghislaine Maxwell is, he may not be much use to them.

[ladongas]

Originally Posted by Denville

If he gets an official request from the FBI, to his lawyers, and still stalls or refuses to go... that is one thing. But Im sure he is wary of talking to them and unless he can tell them where Ghislaine Maxwell is, he may not be much use to them.

Wouldn’t he be a direct witness of Maxwell’s position and duties in the Epstein ‘operation’. I’m sure he must know things that would help them build a case against her.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Osipi

What trouble does he deserve? Being called into court about the allegations put against him by Virginia Roberts Giuffre? If that was to happen, it would be a matter for a civil court and not any way connected to the federal investigation into sex trafficking.

There is absolutely no indication that Andrew is being looked at whatsoever for a federal or international level crime nor has he been accused or alleged to have a reason to be looked at for a crime at this kind of a level. The federal investigation is proceeding ahead to find and prosecute those that aided and abetted Epstein in his sex trafficking ring of underage girls. That's *not* Andrew.

Osipi, I thought you had seen the interview and recognised the truth behind his words.
Anybody ( and I do) who can read bodylanguage could very very easily see whats going on.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by ladongas

Wouldn’t he be a direct witness of Maxwell’s position and duties in the Epstein ‘operation’. I’m sure he must know things that would help them build a case against her.

It would depend how much time he spent with them or what he witnessed. He may well know things but I think careful questioning would be necessary - because Andrew is pretty stupid to get useful information out of him.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Denville

If he gets an official request from the FBI, to his lawyers, and still stalls or refuses to go... that is one thing. But Im sure he is wary of talking to them and unless he can tell them where Ghislaine Maxwell is, he may not be much use to them.

Last night I got deeper in all the details available and I can't see how Maxwell will ever go to court. She and her family have endless connections into politics and society, she is most probably in Israel who will protect her and there are too many persons who fear to get into trouble if she talked......
Disgusting,sad and unbelievable but to me it looks as if nothing was going to happen. When she gets bored of staying in one place, there are possibilities aswell, when you are connected to Mossad... nothing is impossible. And Maxwell suddenly dying from whatsoever is another possibility, like Epstein did, but that'll take some time, too.
Andrew can be happy, I think there is hardly danger for him, though he definitely lied in this TV interview and there is still Ms Giuffre who deserves her case recognised! I am not likely to make up prejudices but this time I do believe Andrew is guilty. Giuffre is not a Monica Lewinsky or...