The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[princess carmen]

I read yesterday about how Andrew managed to set up pitch palace in a way that he could profit from it. Which is against Buckingham Palace rules. I don't think anyone would be willing to tell he Queen what Andrew was up to. He is after all her favorite child. It would also seem with all the dueling factions between them all that anyone opening their mouth
would have been punished or gone after.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by texankitcat

It absolutely calls into question why and how Andrew has been able to do all these shady deals under the nose of the Queen and Prince Charles all these years. It defies logic that they would have been kept completely ignorant of Andrew’s actions considering how the Firm works.

It’s going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out. There is no question that Andrew’s actions are doing serious damage to the Monarchy.

You make it sound like the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew's actions, and I can not take it that far..........

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

You make it sound like the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew's actions, and I can not take it that far..........

I don't think they're responsible either but it does look bad that they turned a blind eye all this time. I think they have to strip Andrew of all his royal privileges now it's gone too far and they don't have a choice.

[princess carmen]

The bottom line is he is a grown man not a child. I think they thought he was an adult and would know better.

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

You make it sound like the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew's actions, and I can not take it that far..........

Huh? In no way did I state or imply that the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew’s actions. I pointed out that it was unlikely they were ignorant of his actions.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by texankitcat

Huh? In no way did I state or imply that the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew’s actions. I pointed out that it was unlikely they were ignorant of his actions.

Why? I doubt Andrew submitted an accounting of his “business endeavors” to anyone. Why would Charles or the Queen think that Andrew was personally profiting from his work? I doubt either of them ever considered such a thing.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

I don't think they're responsible either but it does look bad that they turned a blind eye all this time. I think they have to strip Andrew of all his royal privileges now it's gone too far and they don't have a choice.

Well maybe they weren't aware of anything untoward.......but, I agree with you.

Huh? In no way did I state or imply that the Queen and Charles are responsible for Andrew’s actions. I pointed out that it was unlikely they were ignorant of his actions.

I guess we can agree to disagree, because for me, saying that the Queen and Charles undoubtedly knew about Andrew's actions implies that they sat back and did nothing about it........which makes them somewhat responsible.

Why? I doubt Andrew submitted an accounting of his “business endeavors” to anyone. Why would Charles or the Queen think that Andrew was personally profiting from his work? I doubt either of them ever considered such a thing.

Agreed...

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

Well maybe they weren't aware of anything untoward.......but, I agree with you.



I guess we can agree to disagree, because for me, saying that the Queen and Charles undoubtedly knew about Andrew's actions implies that they sat back and did nothing about it........which makes them somewhat responsible.



Agreed...

There is nothing to agree or disagree about. That is how you chose to interpret my words, that is not what I said. Have a great day!

[Jannedde]

I came across this site when I was looking for comments about PA. Now I've spent a few hours reading!

My take on Andrew is that he has had limited options to earn a lot of money, so he has turned to some questionable characters mainly associated offshore, hoping he wouldn't be caught out. I think he loves his daughters, and he has needed the extra money to bail Fergie out again and again, so she wouldn't embarrass his daughters.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

Why? I doubt Andrew submitted an accounting of his “business endeavors” to anyone. Why would Charles or the Queen think that Andrew was personally profiting from his work? I doubt either of them ever considered such a thing.

I'm in agreement with this. I don't think the Queen or Charles had any clue of what Andrew was up to. He submits an itinerary for going to Bahrain (for example) and it lists his meetings for Pitch@Palace and perhaps other engagements to be approved by the Queen that serve the interest of the "Firm". In the background, with going to Bahrain, Andrew had Amanda Thirsk to squeeze in, wherever she could, meetings with people in the area (perhaps even the VIPs Andrew was meeting officially) to wine and dine and schmooze and plug his own personal business proposals. No one would have been the wiser. He was there officially with travel and expenses and security paid for by the Sovereign Grant and having a little "something" on the side probably went undetected and not known to anyone except Andrew and Thirsk. She always traveled right by his side so I think its safe to assume she aided and abetted Andrew. This is the meaning of covert dealings.

Its very possible that the Queen held her second son in a high regard for the "good" he was doing as his Pitch@Palace was taking off and growing and finding out that there were other dealings and other intentions behind Andrew's work has to have been a total shock to her. Business deals were always something that the members of the family have done in the past. For the good of Crown and country though. Charles excels in this area but his investments that he's had approved of through the Duchy of Cornwall were never for his own personal gain to his pocket.

I suppose this latest development with Andrew and his finances could add one more adjective to his character assessment in how he's perceived to be. Greedy. What he has isn't ever enough.

Originally Posted by Jannedde

My take on Andrew is that he has had limited options to earn a lot of money, so he has turned to some questionable characters mainly associated offshore, hoping he wouldn't be caught out. I think he loves his daughters, and he has needed the extra money to bail Fergie out again and again, so she wouldn't embarrass his daughters.

One thing that has crossed my mind here with the latest developments is that perhaps even back in 2010, Andrew wasn't so squeaky clean and unaware when Sarah fell for the fake Shiekh sting in her "cash for access" endeavors. She just got caught. Perhaps even then Sarah and Andrew were working in tandem back then. Sarah found the people, got the cash and Andrew would meet with them and reel them in hook, line and sinker. Perhaps the clues were always there concerning Andrew but not in blinking neon lights that we or anyone else would notice.

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Osipi

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One thing that has crossed my mind here with the latest developments is that perhaps even back in 2010, Andrew wasn't so squeaky clean and unaware when Sarah fell for the fake Shiekh sting in her "cash for access" endeavors. She just got caught. Perhaps even then Sarah and Andrew were working in tandem back then. Sarah found the people, got the cash and Andrew would meet with them and reel them in hook, line and sinker. Perhaps the clues were always there concerning Andrew but not in blinking neon lights that we or anyone else would notice.

Here’s a link to the transcript where Sarah rather convincingly describes Andrew’s advice about what to ask for from the fake sheikh https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rave-face.html
Of course after she was caught she fell on her sword and said Andrew knew nothing - but I never believed that, there’s been far too much financial smoke surrounding Andrew & his lifestyle for there not to be fire. Plus, if she had betrayed him, why did she continue to live in his home, why did they buy the Verbier chalet together, etc.. Andrew behaved like he owed Sarah something & it wouldn’t surprise me if her claiming to have made up the part about him knowing is part of why Andrew behaved towards her after the sheik debacle.
Note also the News Of The World set up the fake sheikh sting because an aide had tipped them that Sarah was accepting cash for access to Andrew.

[Osipi]

Hindsight is great isn't it? I have a gut feeling that we're going to have more hindsight with 2020 vision after the first of the year.

Another thing occurred to me and I need to correct a previous statement that I stated where the financial information was from the Daily Mail. It actually was the Mail on Sunday and logic leads me to believe that with the ongoing lawsuit against the MoS from Meghan, I would think that with publishing the "facts" of Andrew's financial wheeling and dealings, they were thoroughly researched and found to be credible in reporting so as not to invite yet another lawsuit against them. Its just logical in my mind but then again, who knows?

[Curryong]

I don't think that Andrew's 'business' activities have exactly gone unnoticed over the years. It's more that Britain's strict libel laws have prevented the Press from publishing too much. Personally I can remember reading Guardian articles for nearly twenty years now, raising questions over his dodgy friendships with oligarchs and the disparity between what his income was officially and what it really was.

And yes, I believe that Andrew and Sarah have worked in tandem and have had a good thing going for themselves for several years now.

However, wasn't any notice ever taken at BP of these articles, of the other evidence which piled up that Andrew was not really levelling with the Palace? After his Trade Envoy position was pulled that should IMO have begun a full inquiry from BP as to what was really going on.

This is a slow growing ulcer regarding Andrew, which has now burst, tainting the entire BRF. If a few questions had been asked years ago about this Prince's activities by TPTB then Andrew could have been quietly withdrawn from most Royal duties, opportunities for corrupt activities stopped and all these revelations of the last couple of days could have been avoided.

[Osipi]

So many things keep coming back to point to not so on the up and up dealings that concern Andrew. I think most people remember that Andrew and Sarah's marital home, Sunninghill, was sold for a good sized profit. Its legal title records that the house and some of its grounds were sold for £15 million in 2007, £3 million over the asking price, to an offshore trust in the British Virgin Islands. Sunninghill remained vacant and then demolished in 2016. Once again, the offshore business in the British Virgin Islands come into play here. Doing the math, at the time of the sale of Sunninghill, Andrew was already "friends" with Epstein so there's a possible connection there as to where the "profits" went and who was advising Andrew at the time.

All of these things, I believe can be a game of connecting the dots (which isn't considered "factual but seeing previous doings in a different perspective) which means that Andrew's involvement with Epstein goes far deeper and gets shadier and points to much, much more than just the allegations that he had sex with Ms. Giuffre. Is it no wonder then that Andrew will not and cannot regret his "friendship" with Epstein? He stood too much to lose by "ghosting" Epstein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunninghill_Park

[stunking]

Fergie and PA reek of corruption, the whole setup of her living with him is very conveneint for plotting and planning and sharing secrets. I seriously doubt if The Queen or PC knew what Andrew was up to. PA is a grown man and has his own life to live and he choose unwisely. PA gave the interview with arrogance, ect..... He was advised not to but knew better. He is impeaching his self. I never knew PA was so thick, sad. I will pray for his victims, family and others.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by stunking

Fergie and PA reek of corruption, the whole setup of her living with him is very conveneint for plotting and planning and sharing secrets. I seriously doubt if The Queen or PC knew what Andrew was up to. PA is a grown man and has his own life to live and he choose unwisely. PA gave the interview with arrogance, ect..... He was advised not to but knew better. He is impeaching his self. I never knew PA was so thick, sad. I will pray for his victims, family and others.

I don't think there's any coincidence that when Sarah needed money to pay off debts after her "cash for access" scheme fell through in 2010, it was Epstein that was turned to to loan funds to pay debts in 2011. Although I do feel that Andrew has brought all of this on himself with Sarah and Amanda Thirsk as co-conspirators, I can't help but wonder if Andrew and Sarah are really as thick as a brick and was led by the nose into corruption by Epstein stroking Andrew's ego and making him feel like the *huge* financial success that Andrew wanted to see himself as and that, in turn, had Sarah following in tow like a groupie.

Just musings here as I have no real clue.

[Claire]

I really don't understand it - surely Andrew's accountants would have flagged something - surely the Pitch at the Palace accountants would have picked something up . I also don't understand how is Sarah still in debt she appears to have been in debt forever - or am I just been naïve.

[Osipi]

Andrew's personal business dealings would not have been done in association with Pitch@Palace but rather, Pitch@Palace would provide for a cover to be various places where he'd also set up meetings for his own personal business.

Pitch@Palace, I believe, is not being cited as anything but the program for which it was created for. Its even been stated that the 2% gratuity should a Pitch be profitable, goes to the funding of the events that are put on so investors and entrepreneurs come together and "pitches" happen. All those books most likely *are* on the level.

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by Curryong

I don't think that Andrew's 'business' activities have exactly gone unnoticed over the years. It's more that Britain's strict libel laws have prevented the Press from publishing too much. Personally I can remember reading Guardian articles for nearly twenty years now, raising questions over his dodgy friendships with oligarchs and the disparity between what his income was officially and what it really was.

And yes, I believe that Andrew and Sarah have worked in tandem and have had a good thing going for themselves for several years now.

However, wasn't any notice ever taken at BP of these articles, of the other evidence which piled up that Andrew was not really levelling with the Palace? After his Trade Envoy position was pulled that should IMO have begun a full inquiry from BP as to what was really going on.

This is a slow growing ulcer regarding Andrew, which has now burst, tainting the entire BRF. If a few questions had been asked years ago about this Prince's activities by TPTB then Andrew could have been quietly withdrawn from most Royal duties, opportunities for corrupt activities stopped and all these revelations of the last couple of days could have been avoided.

Exactly! Andrew‘s shady dealings have been circulating for years and it was only a matter of time before the excrement hit the rotating device. I am assuming that BP has the resources to quietly perform an internal investigation so they can get ahead of any potential scandals that would jeopardize TRF reputation. It appears that Andrew has been running amuck for years without any oversight or restraints from BP, who now have to deal with the aftermath of one scandal after another, which is both embarrassing and concerning for TRF.

[Osipi]

I'm willing to bet my last leftover cold turkey sandwich that *all* the members of the BRF have their own investment portfolios and financial advisers whose job it is to "manage" the investments made. Its all above board to do with their personal wealth as they see fit. For instance, the Queen invests, I believe in horse breeding and such and its even been reported that the Queen, herself, has money in offshore tax havens. What they do with their own wealth is their own business. No problem there. I don't believe that the Queen or anyone within the "Firm" would even think of demanding to see everything financial and that would ring true with Andrew.

When it becomes known that Andrew is alleged to be using and abusing his roles in relations to his work for the "Firm" or for his official charities and patronages, which the Queen funds out of the Sovereign Grant, that's where she can step in as the "Boss" and demand to see every penny that Andrew has spent from that funding and what he did with it. If he used his roles for squeaking in personal business for personal profit, this is where any CEO of any business would hit the roof and sack the guy. The company pays for employees to do business for the company and not for their own personal business.

In other words, Andrew could very well be funded by the Sovereign Grant to fly to and promote "Goofy Golf" with the Sultan of Pluto as part of his role in "Golf For Children With Special Needs" and that's working for a campaign sponsored and approved by the Queen. Now, if Andrew was to meet with the Sultan of Pluto and schmooze him into investing into Mr. Pahrump's new resort that will have the *best* golf course ever and Andrew stands to make a profit from bringing in investors, that's not what he's there for and would be in deep doo-doo for misusing the Queen's funding for personal gain.

So its not what Andrew is actually doing with his own money that's the problem, he can privately invest in a genesis project to make Mars habitable if he wanted to. Its how he's trying make personal deals through using his royal status and events funded by the Sovereign Grant that is the problem.

Perhaps this financial information was presented to the Queen before it hit the media. It could explain why Andrew's office was given the boot out of Buckingham Palace. The Sovereign Grant and its funding has been totally cut off from Andrew at this point. Andrew is on his own. His mother may still privately allot him an allowance out of her personal income and Andrew has his own money, I presume in investments so he's not going to be hurting. Just no more free rides as a "prince" and "senior working royal for the British monarchy".