The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Madame Verseau]

The hits just keep on coming


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rity-trip.html

They can't place him with Roberts but the gaps doesn't clear him.

Businesses are running from Andrew's patronages. Ill feelings for the monarchy. The queen IMO needs to take off her mom hat and put on the crown as monarch and get in front if this.

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by wyevale

How many times is it necessary to state the legal position in the UK ?

In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal, and the age of consent is 16...
but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes...none of which [as far as I know] has the Duke been accused of..

Whatever our opinions of this matter maybe, clarity on the Law is important.

Apparently those 2 times were not enough or you need to read better. Age of consent is for "non-commercial sex" and for cliënts. Age of consent for the prostitutes themselves is 18. However, what is not clear to me is whether a cliënt has a duty to "research" the prostitutes age. If the prostitute was forced into prostitution it is (logically) also illegal and it doesn't matter if the cliënt didn't know.

Sexual Exploitation of Children
Children under 18, exploited in prostitution, should be treated as victims of abuse. See Guidance on Prosecuting Child Abuse Cases, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance.
Those who sexually abuse children should be prosecuted under Sections 47 – 50 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. See Abuse of Children through Prostitution or Pornography in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 – Guidance, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance. This covers the prosecution of those who coerce, exploit and abuse children through prostitution. These offences carry a higher penalty.
Consent is irrelevant. A reasonable belief that the child is over 18 affords a defence if the child is 13 or over. There is no defence of reasonable belief if the child is aged under 13.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...n-prostitution

And this is not my opinion, this is the law.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...d-1026318.html

[Lumutqueen]

Rumours circling that Sarah pushed Andrew to do the interview to get ahead of the papers. That I can definitely believe.

[Mirabel]

I'm seeing much speculation about funding for Andrew's lavish lifestyle. As the DM keeps stating, the numbers don't add up.

Andrew should surrender his patronages and bow out with what grace he can muster, before he is forced to.

[ACO]

Rebecca English writes palace sources are calling the media coverage of Andrew a “witch-hunt”

Now that’s interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...officials.html

[AdmirerUS]

I have not visited this thread since before the interview. So it opened for me on page 16, with discussion of how the Palace would have vetted questions before the interview were agreed to.

Some of the posts are funny/sad in their faith in the BRF and PR interviews. I admit to being cynical on Palace PR effectiveness.

Andrew met ALL my expectations with his answers. Completely out of touch with how he sounds to average people. Why he thinks he is convincing/endearing/credible when he comments on himself is beyond me.

To be fair, I also was an adult during Andy's relationship with Jeff. I agree that the social context of the time was different. Which excuses nothing. And to expect anyone today to give a pass because context has changed is just stupid.

What a mess!

[camelot23ca]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

I have not visited this thread since before the interview. So it opened for me on page 16, with discussion of how the Palace would have vetted questions before the interview were agreed to.

Some of the posts are funny/sad in their faith in the BRF and PR interviews. I admit to being cynical on Palace PR effectiveness.

Andrew met ALL my expectations with his answers. Completely out of touch with how he sounds to average people. Why he thinks he is convincing/endearing/credible when he comments on himself is beyond me.

To be fair, I also was an adult during Andy's relationship with Jeff. I agree that the social context of the time was different. Which excuses nothing. And to expect anyone today to give a pass because context has changed is just stupid.

What a mess!

What was surprising to me was how ill prepared he seemed doing the interview, stumbling over questions, seeming to have no good answers to a couple of questions anyone should have known were coming, his overall demeanour, his seeming lack of consideration for the victims.. I could go on.

[...]

They need to hire an experienced Pitt bull and give him/her the authority to clean house. Everyone’s PR team ultimately reports to the Pitt bull, the Pitt bull reports directly to the Queen or The PoW. If anyone even looks sideways at the media without it being cleared by the the Pitt Bull, that person’s PR team is fired and the disobedient royal in question is now the direct responsibility of, you guessed it, the Pitt bull and their team. If the royal doesn’t like being put on a short leash? There’s the door.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by ACO

Rebecca English writes palace sources are calling the media coverage of Andrew a “witch-hunt”

Now that’s interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...officials.html

I agree . It is clearly a witch hunt.

So far I have not seen any evidence that Andrew has lied about being at a pizza express party at the time when Virginia alleges they were together. Yet, everybody here assumes he is guilty of having sex with a trafficked minor.

And, again, most of the criticism with respect to Andrew’s interview relates to his choice of words or his demeanor, which actually is mostly an issue of cultural perception. For example , when Andrew referred to Epstein as conducting himself in an unbecoming way ( or something like that) and was frowned upon by the BBC interviewer for not using stronger language, I genuinely believe his explanation that he was just “ being polite”, which is the culture he grew up in (where people refrain from using harsh words to describe even the most despicable villains).

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I agree . It is clearly a witch hunt.

So far I have not seen any evidence that Andrew has lied about being at a pizza express party at the time when Virginia alleges they were together. Yet, everybody here assumes he is guilty of having sex with a trafficked minor.

And, again, most of the criticism with respect to Andrew’s interview relates to his choice of words or his demeanor, which actually is mostly an issue of cultural perception. For example , when Andrew referred to Epstein as conducting himself in an unbecoming way ( or something like that) and was frowned upon by the BBC interviewer for not using stronger language, I genuinely believe his explanation that he was just “ being polite”, which is the culture he grew up in (where people refrain from using harsh words to describe even the most despicable villains).

I don't think that's an accurate representation of 'everybody's' view. Most ppl haven't even expressed their opinion as to guilt or innocence.

What most ppl here are up in arms about is his actions before/after the interview and what he said during the interview.

I'm going to find it really hard to buy the idea that he is so bound by his culture he can't use harsh words....please the man was in the military for years and I've yet to meet one (regardless of Nationality) that can't curse like a sailor not to mention bluntly stating their opinion.



LaRae

[Madame Verseau]

Wow. Andrew wants a do over interview.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-chance.html

If true I wonder if Fergie put him up to this one like the last time? Someone REALLY needs to get in front of Andrew's face.

[Panther2000]

Originally Posted by wyevale

How many times is it necessary to state the legal position in the UK ?

In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal, and the age of consent is 16...
but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes...none of which [as far as I know] has the Duke been accused of..

Whatever our opinions of this matter maybe, clarity on the Law is important.

The Thing is that they were "Together" in the US where is it a crime.

[Denville]

so Andrew now realises he should have expressed some sympathy with the victims now after numerous commentators have remarked that he showed no sympaty/??

[ACO]

I don't see how this is a witch-hunt. They just throwing what Andrew said out his own mouth... ON VIDEO... back at him. He created this circus by agreeing to go on camera with a seasoned reporter and spew nonsense.

And now he wants to do it again? Oy.

[Dman]

The York Minster Fund is reviewing Andrew’s patronage at their next Trustee meeting-
https://mobile.twitter.com/lizzieitv...45835806564352

The bank firm Barclays are reviewing their sponsorship of Pitch@Palace-
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizzieITV...52210364370945

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Wow. Andrew wants a do over interview.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-chance.html

If true I wonder if Fergie put him up to this one like the last time? Someone REALLY needs to get in front of Andrew's face.

The only people Prince Andrew should be talking to next is the FBI and other law enforcements.

[Jacknch]

Please note that posts referring to other members of the royal family in the context of interviews they have done and things going on in their lives have been edited or removed.

Let's stick to discussing the Duke of York in regard to his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and subsequent events.

[Dman]

BREAKING NEWS:
HRH The Duke of York IS stepping back from royal duties for the foreseeable future-
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyaNikkh...11491583311874

OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizzieITV...12427835838465

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Dman

BREAKING NEWS:
HRH The Duke of York IS stepping down from royal duties-
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyaNikkh...11491583311874

Not quite accurate;

Here’s Andrews full statement:

https://twitter.com/byqueenvic/statu...502497280?s=21

[Friedrich Karl II]

Originally Posted by Dman

BREAKING NEWS:
HRH The Duke of York IS stepping down from royal duties-
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyaNikkh...11491583311874

OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizzieITV...12427835838465

This is probably best solution. After such accusations him just haven't any other options.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Not quite accurate;

Here’s Andrews full statement:

https://twitter.com/byqueenvic/statu...502497280?s=21

Yeah, I forgot to add “for the foreseeable future.” I just added it. Typing fast here.

[wyevale]

Jolly good thing too...

As has been said before the BRF hasn't survived for a thousand years without making speedy, pragmatic changes when urgently required...