The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I assume the duke of York will be retired to the country side for the time being? I can't see how he can continue his normal duties for the time being while his association with this monster is becoming more clear.

I have not seen any political reactions to this matter. In my own country I would imagine that the close friendship of a member of the Royal House with a pedophile would immidiately raise questions in parlament, which means the prime minister would need to get involved. Is that the case in the UK as well?

To 'retire' from official duties now would be taken as an admission of guilt.

Andrew has not been charged with any offence.

Until he has been charged, tried and convicted he is able to continue his life as he wants and to suggest anything else is to ignore the main principle of the UK's legal system - INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law - not in the media.

I know many countries don't understand this concept but it is the cornerstone of the British legal system and has been for centuries.

Trial by media isn't a legal process. Nor is 'guilty by association'.

I would expect that come September Andrew will be doing any scheduled duties. The fact he doesn't publish his upcoming engagements ahead of time means we will never know if he cancels any engagements.

If Andrew has committed a crime, he will be charged, tried and convicted in a court of law. Only then should he be denied the rights to live his life - the same as everyone else.

The DM has made a big thing of him 'hiding in Spain' ignoring the fact that every year, after the Yorks have been to Balmoral they go to Spain or France or Switzerland for a couple of weeks together. They made it into a 'news' story when it is simply the normal practice of the family.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by MARG

I must have missed that link. Could you direct me to the right post.

There's reference to Andrew & future US visits in the link posted by Dman:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-Andrew.html

[Dman]

Andrew just might as well come clean about everything, because these small statements he’s releasing are bogus. The statements have more holes in them than Swiss cheese.

[rob2008]

Prince Andrew defends Jeffrey Epstein relationship

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49460263

Surely, the more sensible tactic - in the interests of self preservation - would be to say nothing? How do his comments help the monarchy?

[Zaira]

Originally Posted by Dman

Andrew just might as well come clean about everything, because these small statements he’s releasing are bogus. The statements have more holes in them than Swiss cheese.

He is claiming an "infrequent" acquaintance and that is an all out lie. It honestly is rather insulting, this statement.

[ACO]

Another odd statement that says nothing.

[Ista]

Unfortunately, I think what Andrew's statement says is that to him, there was nothing odd or unusual or worthy of concern in what he saw while he stayed with or visited Epstein, and if that is true, it speaks volumes about what is considered "normal" in the circles Andrew runs in.

I can't see how this statement does anything but raise even more questions about Andrew and what he got up to while in Epstein's company.

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Zaira

He is claiming an "infrequent" acquaintance and that is an all out lie. It honestly is rather insulting, this statement.

What else can he say? He's absolutely panicked. Everyone who was ever around Epstein has verified that he was always surrounded by random young girls in his homes and private plane. Even if Andrew was as innocent and naive as he claims and the girls accusing him of abusing them are liars wouldn't it have occured to him to have asked his pal who they were and why they were there? It's not as though Jeffrey hid the girls away when Andrew was around as the photo with Virginia Roberts proves and he is continuously glossing over the fact that he stood by Epstein even after he had been CONVICTED of sexual activity with a minor. He calls it 'a mistake' which is beyond pathetic. If the Queen continues to stand by him it gives the impression that she is condoning his behaviour and dosn't care about what happened to those girls and this is obviously very damaging to the Monarchy and the standing of the Queen in the eyes of the public, but what else can she do? He is a complete liability as a member of the royal family and has put his mother in an intolerable position.

[Dman]

I don’t think any of the victims of the criminal sex trafficking ring would say they were (forced) to have sex with Andrew if it didn’t really happen.

Members of the royal family are known to be quite careful in selecting their close inner circle of friends. They even vet their friends before they even let them in their exclusive circle of friends.

Come clean, Andrew. Cause I believe you just as much as I believe R. Kelly.

[Lilyflo]

Prince Andrew on his meetings with Epstein:

"During the time I knew him, I saw him infrequently and probably no more than only once or twice a year,"

The person who wrote this timeline might challenge the above statement:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Epstein.html

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

Prince Andrew on his meetings with Epstein:


The person who wrote this timeline might challenge the above statement:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Epstein.html

OMG, that little girl in the video only looks about 14, disgusting!

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by sophie25

OMG, that little girl in the video only looks about 14, disgusting!

Sorry to whom are you referring to because all the women in the video look 25 years + to me...

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Sorry to whom are you referring to because all the women in the video look 25 years + to me...

The one with the ponytail walking Epstein to his car and then going back into the house where Andrew remained after his friend had left.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by sophie25

The one with the ponytail walking Epstein to his car and then going back into the house.

I thought that was the one you were on about, yeah everyone’s perception is different but I’d say she’s 20+.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

To 'retire' from official duties now would be taken as an admission of guilt.

Andrew has not been charged with any offence.

Until he has been charged, tried and convicted he is able to continue his life as he wants and to suggest anything else is to ignore the main principle of the UK's legal system - INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law - not in the media.

I know many countries don't understand this concept but it is the cornerstone of the British legal system and has been for centuries.

Trial by media isn't a legal process. Nor is 'guilty by association'.

I would expect that come September Andrew will be doing any scheduled duties. The fact he doesn't publish his upcoming engagements ahead of time means we will never know if he cancels any engagements.

If Andrew has committed a crime, he will be charged, tried and convicted in a court of law. Only then should he be denied the rights to live his life - the same as everyone else.

The DM has made a big thing of him 'hiding in Spain' ignoring the fact that every year, after the Yorks have been to Balmoral they go to Spain or France or Switzerland for a couple of weeks together. They made it into a 'news' story when it is simply the normal practice of the family.

That is the system indeed. But the fact remains that the Duke was a friend of a convicted pedophile who groomed and raped dozens of children. The duke himself is accused of all sorts of things.

Any charity or event that the duke will visit will be overshadowed by this case. It will distract from the purpose of a visit, in which case it may be better to send another member of the family.

I imagine few associations or people will be jumping with joy with the thought of a visit of the Duke at this moment. Some may even find it uncomfortable to see their charity or event associated with somebody who befriended a convicted pedophile, who at least condoned the behavior of this monster and perhaps even did worse.

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

I thought that was the one you were on about, yeah everyone’s perception is different but I’d say she’s 20+.

Everyone's perception is but she's tiny and childlike in the face and, to me, looks early teens. That's not surprising though as that's the age group Jeffrey liked.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by sophie25

OMG, that little girl in the video only looks about 14, disgusting!

I don't think one can accurately judge age from a brief video or photo. I looked 12 or 14 until I was about 30.

But I guess people see what they want to....

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I don't think one can accurately judge age from a brief video or photo. I looked 12 or 14 until I was about 30.

But I guess people see what they want to....

Very well said.

Originally Posted by sophie25

Everyone's perception is but she's tiny and childlike in the face and, to me, looks early teens. That's not surprising though as that's the age group Jeffrey liked.

I’m currently 26, and I got ID’d the other day when I was buying a lottery ticket which has an age restriction of 16.

I’m 5 foot 1 (5ft1.5 on a good day) height literally has nothing to do with age, unless by tiny you mean she’s thin which again has nothing to with age. In the video she stands at Epstein’s shoulder and he’s 6 ft.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Trial by media isn't a legal process. Nor is 'guilty by association'.

This is my main issue with this whole thing. The Miami Herald investigation is one thing, most of the others are something else entirely.

Yes, Andrew had poor judgment in this friendship--but he is not alone. Many, many others in prominent positions in many fields are in the same boat. I do not believe they are all guilty of pedophilia.

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I don't think one can accurately judge age from a brief video or photo. I looked 12 or 14 until I was about 30.

But I guess people see what they want to....

I don't see what I want to at all. The woman Andrew waved off from Epstein's house looked like a woman and the girl with the ponytail looked like a teenager. If you looked 12 or 13 when you were 30 who am I to argue with you but bearing in mind the sexual leanings of the man involved here I am prepared to guess that a girl who looked like a young teen entering his house was exactly that.