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Old 12-12-2020, 05:16 AM
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Prince Andrew's alibi falls apart
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ss-excuse.html

Did anyone believe the pizza express story? I know I didn't.
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Old 12-13-2020, 03:29 PM
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I read this rubbish. No one is telling the trues here, all this is, is she said he said. The ones who knows are not talking, one bit the dust the other is in jail there are many more out there and they don't want to talk without incriminating themself's, to doing something they knew was very wrong. Maybe every one wants, or is embellishing their story so it fits their scenario because they feel they have done nothing wrong. And the court of public opinion is what it is, opinion, no more no less. At the end of the day the only thing what counts is the Court of Law.
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Old 12-14-2020, 10:58 AM
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This story is being picked up by many news outlets now and its doing the rounds of national radio talkshows today:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...pstein-mansion
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Old 12-14-2020, 03:12 PM
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I read this rubbish. No one is telling the trues here, all this is, is she said he said. The ones who knows are not talking, one bit the dust the other is in jail there are many more out there and they don't want to talk without incriminating themself's, to doing something they knew was very wrong. Maybe every one wants, or is embellishing their story so it fits their scenario because they feel they have done nothing wrong. And the court of public opinion is what it is, opinion, no more no less. At the end of the day the only thing what counts is the Court of Law.
At the end of the day, it's fairly widely-accepted than Prince Andrew is an entitled bully, who has used his position to get what he wants for many years. He may have done some good things in his life, but for the reputation of the British Monarchy, it is completely correct that he has withdrawn from public life. Whether he has done anything illegal or not will be decided by the courts in due course. In the meantime, the reputation of the British Monarchy outweighs his own personal reputation.
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Old 12-14-2020, 03:22 PM
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From a legal standpoint, things are pretty quiet for now. I imagine as we get closer and closer to the date of the start of Maxwell's actual trial, things will be revealed in depositions as Maxwell tries diligently to save her own skin.
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Old 12-15-2020, 04:25 PM
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I just read, Peter Nygard a Canadian Fashion Mogul was arrested in Canada on sex crimes he is 79 years old. I am putting this here, because a while back there was a photo of Prince Andrew Sara and the Pss, the Greek CP couple and Nygard, shown on this Forum I think even on this site or the one the site with A and Epstein. If this is the wrong place please move it. Thank you. I am just writing about it because no one took offense of the Greek CP couple there as well.
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:26 PM
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Jean-Luc Brunel a associate of J Epstein was arrested today, he was on his way to Dakar. Maybe he knew what was coming down the pike.
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:07 PM
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From a legal standpoint, things are pretty quiet for now. I imagine as we get closer and closer to the date of the start of Maxwell's actual trial, things will be revealed in depositions as Maxwell tries diligently to save her own skin.
Ghislaine Maxwell requests a new $28.5 million bail package. Just when we thought things were quieting down up pops this. Her new application proposes a $28.5 million bail package, and that she be transferred from the MDC to home confinement with 24/7 security surveillance. Maxwell’s lawyers argued in the application, as they often have, that she is being held to account for Epstein’s crimes and not her own. Prosecutors will now respond to Maxwell’s application, at which point the judge in the case will review the arguments and determine whether to hold another bail hearing.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/ghislaine-maxwell-bail-application
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:28 PM
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I saw that and sincerely hope that all hope of bail for Maxwell is quashed and never granted. Just the price tag on the bail request tells me that she's trying to "buy" her way out of her cell and that shouldn't ever happen.

She has been accused of enough wrongdoings that her crimes are her own and not because of Epstein. She willingly procured girls and groomed them and trafficked them of her own free will. She didn't have Epstein pointing a gun in her face to make her do the things that she did.

As far as I'm concerned, I hope they throw the book at Maxwell and she goes away for the rest of her life.
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Old 04-03-2021, 02:27 PM
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I just came across an article, which states, Gislaine Maxwell wants a new bail hearing. She says her having to stay in Jail is SEXIST. This is a new one for me. So I must assume that a stint in prison for a rapist and murderer is racist or something. Maybe this makes more sense to anyone else, because I am lost here.
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Old 04-03-2021, 03:21 PM
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I just came across an article, which states, Gislaine Maxwell wants a new bail hearing. She says her having to stay in Jail is SEXIST. This is a new one for me. So I must assume that a stint in prison for a rapist and murderer is racist or something. Maybe this makes more sense to anyone else, because I am lost here.
Nothing odd about it. her lawyers will just try and turmp up some reason for her to be let out of jail....
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Old 04-03-2021, 06:17 PM
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Two new US federal charges of sex trafficking conspiracy and sex trafficking of a minor have been filed against Ghislaine Maxwell.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...effrey-epstein
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Old 04-03-2021, 11:00 PM
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I just came across an article, which states, Gislaine Maxwell wants a new bail hearing. She says her having to stay in Jail is SEXIST. This is a new one for me. So I must assume that a stint in prison for a rapist and murderer is racist or something. Maybe this makes more sense to anyone else, because I am lost here.
They've been trying to spring her out of jail since she was incarcerated and so far, nothing has worked and I sincerely hope they do *not* grant her bail for any reason whatsoever. If staying in jail in sexist, then what the hell is the purpose of jails solely for women? The criminal justice system is an equal opportunity incarcerating system.
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Old 08-09-2021, 07:24 PM
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According to Associated Press Virginia Giuffre has filed a lawsuit in the Manhattan federal court against Prince Andrew saying that he sexually abused her when she was 17.

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Old 08-09-2021, 07:28 PM
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That's a civil lawsuit if I'm not wrong on this. In order for Andrew to be extradited to the US to stand trial in any lawsuit filed in the US, what would need to happen is that the allegations of the crime committed by Andrew would have to meet the standards of being a crime in the UK *and* also be punishable by a year's sentence.

To my knowledge, having sex with a 17 year old is not a punishable crime of a year in jail in the UK. In fact, I believe the Metropolitan Police have cited that the allegations of a similar crime filed by the same person, Guiffre, that occured at Maxwell's home in London did not warrant an investigation as 16 is the age of consent for sex in the UK.
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Old 08-09-2021, 07:30 PM
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That's a civil lawsuit if I'm not wrong on this. In order for Andrew to be extradited to the US to stand trial in any lawsuit filed in the US, what would need to happen is that the allegations of the crime committed by Andrew would have to meet the standards of being a crime in the UK *and* also be punishable by a year's sentence.



To my knowledge, having sex with a 17 year old is not a punishable crime of a year in jail in the UK. In fact, I believe the Metropolitan Police have cited that the allegations of a similar crime filed by the same person, Guiffre, that occured at Maxwell's home in London did not warrant an investigation as 16 is the age of consent for sex in the UK.
Wouldn't trafficking be punishable with more than a year's imprisonment?
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:01 PM
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Wouldn't trafficking be punishable with more than a year's imprisonment?
The allegations then would have to include that Andrew specifically trafficked Guiffre to London or specifically procured Guiffre for sex in NY. Andrew has never come close to being accused of being anywhere near sex trafficking of anyone. That allegation would have to fall on Maxwell and Epstein as they're the ones that procured these girls and groomed them and told them what they needed to do. Not Andrew.

Andrew has only been accused of sexual abuse by Guiffre. In the UK, at 17 years old, it's not a crime as 16 is the age of consent by law to have sex. Guiffre has nowhere stated either that she was *forced* by Andrew anywhere.
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Extradition from the UK is only possible for the purpose of criminal prosecution by a foreign state, not for a civil lawsuit. (I believe that is the case for most countries, though I am no expert.)

Extradition: Processes and Review
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:12 PM
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Extradition from the UK is only possible for the purpose of criminal prosecution by a foreign state, not for a civil lawsuit. (I believe that is the case for most countries, though I am no expert.)

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I think you're right on this. If I remember right, what information I found out was in relation to a case being filed in SDNY as a federal criminal case and Andrew being extradited to the US to appear in court.

There is nothing alleged at all against Andrew anywhere that I've seen that would warrant him to be extradited to the US to stand in court. I don't expect the Guiffre civil case to win anything besides publicity.
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:26 PM
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VG has an excellent lawyer. I can't see him going ahead with this unless he saw a clear path forward.
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