The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy (2010-2021)

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by MARG

We don't know that Charles is not supporting his brother. After all, we only have the word of Ricky and Geoffy of the Daily Fail fame on which to base this assertion. I think I'll wait and see.

I don't think you will "see" anything.
I can't see him making his support or lack of , public knowledge.
He will be keeping clear of it all
IMO


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[Osipi]

Originally Posted by royal rob

I don't think you will "see" anything.
I can't see him making his support or lack of , public knowledge.
He will be keeping clear of it all
IMO

Actually, when you think about it, what can Charles really do?

This whole article is another attempt to create a tempest in a teapot once again. Andrew is a big boy now and whatever messes he finds himself in, its on him to clean it up and I think he's going to be finding out more and more that when it comes to his private life, being a royal won't amount to a hill of beans.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

It's Richard Kay. It means that everything in this article is untrue. It surprises me that many of the new members here actually believe in this nonsense.

[Dman]

The family usually always supportive of each other. Also, Charles has never been in the position to pass judgement to anyone.

The media is coming up with all kinds of crap at the moment, because there isn't much royal news to report on.

[Queen Camilla]

Richard Kay, Geoffrey Levy and others would write anything to take a swipe at Prince Charles.

Facts and sources are immaterial when it comes to the Daily Mail and these people.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Queen Camilla

Richard Kay, Geoffrey Levy and others would write anything to take a swipe at Prince Charles.

Facts and sources are immaterial when it comes to the Daily Mail and these people.

The crazy part is that some people will believe what is written.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by Queen Camilla

Richard Kay, Geoffrey Levy and others would write anything to take a swipe at Prince Charles.

Facts and sources are immaterial when it comes to the Daily Mail and these people.

I really don't think these people are out to get Charles. I don't think they sit and plot his downfall
He's always going to be written about
The daily mail writes this sort of thing that's what they do
If it upsets you don't read it




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[Meadow]

What is Charles supposed to do anyway? Andrew is a big boy no one knows what has gone on behind the scenes and Charles has gone through some pretty bad headlines himself. I guess it's gone quiet and this is there way of keeping Andrews name in the news.

[Iluvbertie]

Maybe, like most families, Andrew would expect the support of his siblings. The BRF of course operates differently and there has been no secret for the last decade or more - even back into the 1980s, that Charles doesn't have a great relationship with any of his siblings but especially Andrew. Charles could simply ring up his brother and say something like 'Andrew, I believe you and I love you'. Of course he may have done that but I doubt it. They have always struck me as brothers by blood but with very little if any affection between them at all.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

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Charles could simply ring up his brother and say something like 'Andrew, I believe you and I love you'.

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Who says he didn't? By telephone, by letter, by e-mail, in the flesh -for an example when they walked to Church on Sunday- whatever. Many (foreign) royals have been in the same circumstances, being focus of a media frenzy, and never is know how inside the family has been reacted.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Maybe, like most families, Andrew would expect the support of his siblings. The BRF of course operates differently and there has been no secret for the last decade or more - even back into the 1980s, that Charles doesn't have a great relationship with any of his siblings but especially Andrew. Charles could simply ring up his brother and say something like 'Andrew, I believe you and I love you'. Of course he may have done that but I doubt it. They have always struck me as brothers by blood but with very little if any affection between them at all.

I get the same impression.
I've always thought that Charles respects Anne but has little in common with her, considers Andrew a liability and Edward a cipher. JMO.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

I get the same impression.
I've always thought that Charles respects Anne but has little in common with her, considers Andrew a liability and Edward a cipher. JMO.

I agree I have never seen any interaction between any of them. Not like William and Harry with their jokes about red hair or being bald etc
The big age gap would make a huge difference too I suppose.



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[miss whirley]

William and Harry are hardly a paragon of closeness either, at least according to Prince Edward and their priavte life actions. I imagine that royals are taught to trust no one, including their own family. Good advice I would say.

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by miss whirley

William and Harry are hardly a paragon of closeness either, at least according to Prince Edward and their priavte life actions. I imagine that royals are taught to trust no one, including their own family. Good advice I would say.

Sounds like paranoia, actually.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Sounds like paranoia, actually.

In reality, we only see how the family interacts when they are in public. We have to remember too that this is a family where its members quite often have very full engagement calendars so the opportunities to just get together as a family are very few and far between.

If I'm not mistaken, Charles wrote his children's book for Andrew when he was little. Basically, I think they get along as well as any family that doesn't have the opportunity to see and interact with each other a lot. But then, its just the impression I get from viewing their public lives.

[USAPolitics]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Maybe, like most families, Andrew would expect the support of his siblings. The BRF of course operates differently and there has been no secret for the last decade or more - even back into the 1980s, that Charles doesn't have a great relationship with any of his siblings but especially Andrew. Charles could simply ring up his brother and say something like 'Andrew, I believe you and I love you'. Of course he may have done that but I doubt it. They have always struck me as brothers by blood but with very little if any affection between them at all.

He most certainly would expect support from the heir to the throne--the future of the monarchy--given Andrew is a senior royal.

[miss whirley]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Sounds like paranoia, actually.

If it was a normal family, I would agree.

Royals are a different breed. There are different motives at play. If William/Harry trusted their dad they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted their mom they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Edward they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Earl Spencer they would have been betrayed. Once burned, twice shy. If they weren't suspicious of their family members I would question their rationality.

[USAPolitics]

Originally Posted by miss whirley

If it was a normal family, I would agree.



Royals are a different breed. There are different motives at play. If William/Harry trusted their dad they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted their mom they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Edward they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Earl Spencer they would have been betrayed. Once burned, twice shy. If they weren't suspicious of their family members I would question their rationality.

We aren't living in medieval times. I'd imagine they live life in a way to ensure such thoughts and motives aren't at play.

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by miss whirley

If it was a normal family, I would agree.

Royals are a different breed. There are different motives at play. If William/Harry trusted their dad they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted their mom they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Edward they would have been betrayed. If William/Harry trusted Uncle Earl Spencer they would have been betrayed. Once burned, twice shy. If they weren't suspicious of their family members I would question their rationality.

The royal family is more public but there is no difference between the royal family and a "normal" family. We all feel betrayed by our loved ones and we all betray them in turn. Sometimes it seems as though people tend to infantilize adult members of the royal family.

Andrew is in his 50's. I assume that Andrew didn't consult Charles before he chose to go out in public with Epstein after Epstein's conviction. I don't think Charles owes it to Andrew to help him out now. I don't think it will make a difference if he did. It may even make it worse by giving new life to the story.

The allegation that Andrew slept with Virginia Roberts when she was 17 years old is actually old news. As long as Andrew didn't commit a crime, the royal family is probably taking the long view:The story will follow Andrew but will not seriously damage the monarchy.

How supportive Charles is in private is a different matter.

[GracieGiraffe]

Regardless of whether Richard Kay makes stuff up out of thin air, and whether Charles is sending texts of brotherly love to Andrew behind the scenes, or posting on his Facebook page, "like if you love your brother", the royal family usually sends messages to the public via actions, not words. Who they appear with, who they walk beside, stand next to, who rides in a carriage with who. I predict Easter services, Trooping of the Colour, Ascot, etc, etc, will be rather interesting this year. I don't think Andrew will be missing, barring a bombshell in the next few weeks - his mother won't have it. Whether or not he is right there front and center during Charles' reign remains to be seen.