The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022


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The receipts are staring you right in the face. If you can’t see it, then I don’t know what to tell you.

There is a lot of information out there that one can play connect the dots with and come up with different theories of who knew what and who did what and who knew who. It can be likened to writing historical fiction where you take a lot of information and weave a story out of it.

I do not question the sincerity of Ms. Guiffre, I do not question that a lot of people have things that they don't want revealed but can we honestly say that President Trump absolutely *knew* what was going on with Andrew and his relationship with Epstein? Or that Dershowitz was as involved as stated in reports yet denied in the recent Panorama interview? There *is* a lot out there that would stand up in a court of law. I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to Epstein and his perverted lifestyle and there's much more to come.

Playing connect the dots doesn't come up with absolute truths but paints a pretty good picture puzzle that still has a lot of pieces missing from it. I do think we need to be careful to not state as truth things we don't know for sure are truths. I did watch the interview and for me, and mind you this is just what *I* see in faces and not to be taken as truth but rather an observation.

Virginia Roberts Giuffre was not lying and it deeply upset her to just remember the events that she was recounting. Alan Dershowitz, I believe was on the defensive. The clips showing Epstein, himself, even when facing accusations seemed to have a permanent smirk on his face as if he knew he was above everything and nothing could touch him. Ghislaine Maxwell comes across as one tough cookie that would not let anything get in her way of getting what she wants and, to me, makes the statements that she was someone you don't want to cross. I think the thing that stood out for me the most with this BBC Panorama interview was the statement made that the girls were not treated as people but as Giuffre stated, "fruit on a platter to be passed around".

As more and more records and depositions are unsealed, I think we're going to know more and more about these people and the things they've done and the girls who have suffered at their hands. The more that comes out, the more I realize that Epstein, through death, took the easy way out and did not have a smirk on his face as he died.
 
Virginia Roberts Giuffre was not lying and it deeply upset her to just remember the events that she was recounting. Alan Dershowitz, I believe was on the defensive. The clips showing Epstein, himself, even when facing accusations seemed to have a permanent smirk on his face as if he knew he was above everything and nothing could touch him. Ghislaine Maxwell comes across as one tough cookie that would not let anything get in her way of getting what she wants and, to me, makes the statements that she was someone you don't want to cross. I think the thing that stood out for me the most with this BBC Panorama interview was the statement made that the girls were not treated as people but as Giuffre stated, "fruit on a platter to be passed around".

As more and more records and depositions are unsealed, I think we're going to know more and more about these people and the things they've done and the girls who have suffered at their hands. The more that comes out, the more I realize that Epstein, through death, took the easy way out and did not have a smirk on his face as he died.

I agree with you. Her eyes were direct and her answers were complete and without hesitation and when she stated that “only one of us is telling the truth, and that is ME!” It was believable and it was powerful because you saw it in her eyes. She may have been a troubled, naive, easily manipulated girl, but what she went through has made her a strong fearless woman who is not backing down against famous and powerful people who participated in destroying these girl’s lives and did so without any thought or consideration to the victims. I want her and the other victims to have the justice they deserve against all the powerful, greedy men that participated in their humiliation.
 
Latest from DM: Charles told Andrew he's done for now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...w-theres-no-way-royal-family-near-future.html

But the allegation in this article saying Charles is worried about Andrew talking to the FBI is troubling. If Andrew talks the mystery of the monarchy fades away?..What about doing the right thing for these women who were harmed by Epstein? Andrew working with the Feds would staunch the bleeding; Charles apparently opened up a new vein.
 
:previous: Consider the source... yet again. :bang:
 
Latest from DM: Charles told Andrew he's done for now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...w-theres-no-way-royal-family-near-future.html

But the allegation in this article saying Charles is worried about Andrew talking to the FBI is troubling. If Andrew talks the mystery of the monarchy fades away?..What about doing the right thing for these women who were harmed by Epstein? Andrew working with the Feds would staunch the bleeding; Charles apparently opened up a new vein.

Yeah, not buying that one. I can see Charles being extremely concerned about Andrew being interviewed by the FBI for many reasons , but stripping the mystery from the monarchy isn't one of them. Andrew is a narcissist and a very bad liar. although he thinks he is quite believable. That won't bode well for him or TRF.
 
Yeah, not buying that one. I can see Charles being extremely concerned about Andrew being interviewed by the FBI for many reasons , but stripping the mystery from the monarchy isn't one of them. Andrew is a narcissist and a very bad liar. although he thinks he is quite believable. That won't bode well for him or TRF.



Agreed.

I found most of that article believable enough, but not Charles supposed over whelming concern about Andrew being questioned being losing the mystery of the monarchy. (I think that ship has sailed anyway.)

I can easily buy and understand other concerns. And any concerns he might have doesn’t mean he lacks empathy for the victims or doesn’t want justice done for them. It’s not mutually exclusive.
 
I’m glad Philip was there - though I’m so sad for he and the Queen that they have to go through this at this stage of their lives. I’m most bothered by Andrew thinking that his “banishment” is undeserved as he doesn’t seem to understand the damage that this is causing the monarchy, his own family. Charles and the Queen aren’t taking any pleasure in “punishing” Andrew as such, but they are doing what has to be done.
 
Latest from DM: Charles told Andrew he's done for now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...w-theres-no-way-royal-family-near-future.html

But the allegation in this article saying Charles is worried about Andrew talking to the FBI is troubling. If Andrew talks the mystery of the monarchy fades away?..What about doing the right thing for these women who were harmed by Epstein? Andrew working with the Feds would staunch the bleeding; Charles apparently opened up a new vein.

For some reason your posts always come across as a typical "harbinger of doom" message...

(if there was any mystery to the monarchy, for the UK that has imo disappeared with the infamous Charles and Diana interviews..)
 
I hope that Andrew will become a total pariah, socially and in business. That it the only thing that will really hurt him.

I want every single adult that visited that vile island to be destroyed because they must have realized what was happening and most profited from the child trafficking. Plus UK Royal not the only Royal family listed. Old ex King JC of Spain was a frequent visitor along with many Catholic Bishops and two Cardinals, although both of them are now dead. Disgraceful.
 
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There is no mystery we know they are human and have faults like all of us.
Yes Charles and Diana blew the mystery out of the water.
 
I’m glad Philip was there - though I’m so sad for he and the Queen that they have to go through this at this stage of their lives. I’m most bothered by Andrew thinking that his “banishment” is undeserved as he doesn’t seem to understand the damage that this is causing the monarchy, his own family. Charles and the Queen aren’t taking any pleasure in “punishing” Andrew as such, but they are doing what has to be done.

We don't know how much of this article is factual. Some of it sounds like it could be true, but no way to know for sure. I can definitely imagine Andrew disagreeing with any punishment since be has clearly gone through life with little or no consequences. He has wreaked significant damage on the Monarchy for which I doubt he has any regret other than getting caught. Narcissist don't stop, they just devise new ways to get what they want. I sincerely hope Charles knows exactly what Andrew is and keeps a very tight reign on him in the future.
 
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Andrew will have to find a new role. I wonder what that would be. Will he end up like the Duke of Windsor; except - unlike D of W - as a disgraced individual. Are there any villas available in the Bois de Boulogne?
 
Andrew will have to find a new role. I wonder what that would be. Will he end up like the Duke of Windsor; except - unlike D of W - as a disgraced individual. Are there any villas available in the Bois de Boulogne?

I have a suggestion, but it wouldn't be a polite one. :lol:
 
We don't know how much of this article is factual. Some of it sounds like it could be true, but no way to know for sure. I can definitely imagine Andrew disagreeing with any punishment since be has clearly gone through life with little or no consequences. He has wreaked significant damage on the Monarchy for which I doubt he has any regret other than getting caught. Narcissist don't stop, they just devise new ways to get what they want. I sincerely hope Charles knows exactly what Andrew is and keeps a very tight reign on him in the future.

I agree...
 
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Prince Andrew at the “Hookers and Pimps” theme party with Trump, Melania and Ghislaine Maxwell. A party linked to child sex trafficker Jean Luc Brunel - the man who supplied Epstein with his sex slaves.

Again, the receipts are there. They can go on lying until their heads fall off, but the receipts don’t lie.
 
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The information conveyed through various articles is that Palace had simply no idea that this issue is of this magnitude. Now there is a frenzy on how to deal with this.
If the Palace really had no idea, it means they blindly went by Andrew's assurance to the Queen (that he did no wrong.. the vaguest assurance, but can be readily bought by a loving one)
 
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Prince Andrew at the “Hookers and Pimps” theme party with Trump, Melania and Ghislaine Maxwell. A party linked to child sex trafficker Jean Luc Brunel - the man who supplied Epstein with his sex slaves.

Again, the receipts are there. They can go on lying until their heads fall off, but the receipts don’t lie.

what do you mean by receipts? I don't understand it in this context...
 
what do you mean by receipts? I don't understand it in this context...

Proof. It was dumb for Andrew to say he rarely party, when there’s tons of receipts to back up the truth that he does party. It was dumb of Trump to say he don’t know Andrew, when there’s receipts to back up the truth that he do know Andrew. So again, let the lying continue, but let’s remember...there’s receipts out there.
 
For some reason your posts always come across as a typical "harbinger of doom" message...

(if there was any mystery to the monarchy, for the UK that has imo disappeared with the infamous Charles and Diana interviews..)

Madame Verseau works freelance for the DM ...

This sordid story reminds us all that these people (Royals, celebrities, politicians or whatever) are surely not like the average Joe and live in a world full of power, money, privileges with different rules (with no rules for that matter).
Sex rings, hookers, escorts (male or female), drugs and even worse have always been part of the game, and the BRF has always been quite "active" on that front ( Duke of Clarence, Edward VII, Duke of kent, the Profumo scandal (suspicions) etc ...).
So some people now seem to discover that, shocking, this alternate world, forbidden for the ordinary mortal, exists .
The naivety of some members on this board is astonishing.
Andy has been dumb enough to get caught , but be sure that the world is still full of Epstein, waiting patiently for an useless, rich man with a title and good connections to play with.
Andrew is just the top of the Iceberg ...
 
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This sordid story reminds us all that these people (Royals, celebrities, politicians or whatever) are surely not like the average Joe and live in a world full of power, money, privileges with different rules (with no rules for that matter).
Sex rings, hookers, escorts (male or female), drugs and even worse have always been part of the game, and the BRF has always been quite "active" on that front ( Duke of Clarence, Edward VII, Duke of kent, the Profumo scandal (suspicions) etc ...).
So some people now seem to discover that, shocking, this alternate world, forbidden for the ordinary mortal, exists .
The naivety of some members on this board is astonishing.
Andy has been dumb enough to get caught , but be sure that the worls is still full of Epstein, waiting patiently for an useless, rich man with a title and good connections to play with.
Andrew is just the top of the Iceberg ...

I can assure you, I am neither naive nor expect that Royals or those in power don't abuse their positions, however I can most definitely feel outraged. I expect those in privileged positions to be held accountable just as those in the lowest positions are held accountable. The fact that they aren't because they are famous, powerful, rich or Royal and get away with it should make everyone outraged and demand that they receive exactly what they deserve. Period.
 
I’m not sure if this article belongs here or in the “relationships” thread, but I’m posting it here because it is ostensibly focused on the recent talks between Charles and Philip.

I certainly didn’t expect the talks to go smoothly, but I did expect that father and son would be on the same page about this. I also hoped that by now their relationship had improved, but based on this article, it’s as strained as ever.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/1...ince-charles-harmful-plan-modernise-monarchy/
 
I certainly didn’t expect the talks to go smoothly, but I did expect that father and son would be on the same page about this. I also hoped that by now their relationship had improved, but based on this article, it’s as strained as ever.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/1...ince-charles-harmful-plan-modernise-monarchy/

They are just too different to get along smoothly.

Charles has never been close to his brothers (possibly due to the age difference). I always thought he'd sideline Andrew the minute he succeeds.
The Epstein business gives him the perfect excuse to do it sooner.

As far as future plans are concerned, I think Charles would be wise to streamline the monarchy; the number of people crowding that balcony are clear evidence of that.
 
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They are just too different to get along smoothly.

Charles has never been close to his brothers (possibly due to the age difference). I always thought he'd sideline Andrew the minute he succeeds.
The Epstein business gives him the perfect excuse to do it sooner.

As far as future plans are concerned, I think Charles would be wise to streamline the monarchy; the number of people crowding that balcony are clear evidence of that.

You're right, though I would have hoped that by now their relationship could have improved as it did between Charles and the Queen.

It almost feels like Philip would disapprove of anything Charles does just to disagree - I wonder exactly what his preferred plan would be for the monarchy.

The huge age gap between Charles and his brothers wouldn't necessarily make it an impediment for them to be close but they'd have to have almost a parental relationship instead of a brother/friendship/hang out together kind relationship. From what I've read of Andrew, I suspect he might think that Charles is doing this to punish him because he's jealous of him (that Andrew was their mother's favorite, etc.) - he seems that out of touch.
 
As far as future plans are concerned, I think Charles would be wise to streamline the monarchy; the number of people crowding that balcony are clear evidence of that.

I fundamentally disagree. I love the crowd of family on the balcony after the Trooping--the family gathered to celebrate the matriarch's birthday.

I know it was for a different occasion, but the small group on the balcony for the Jubilee was just sad.
 
First, not all family members gathered on the balcony are working royals or even HRHs.

Second, the number of working royals will be streamlined by attrition.

The Queen's sister, four children (and three spouses), and three first cousins (along with two spouses) are/were working royals.

But Charles has only two children and none of his first cousins are working royals. And of course one of his brothers has been stripped of his royal duties while the brother's former wife lost her royal status when the marriage ended.

None of William's first cousins will be working royals and we're not even sure about his brother's children.
 
I’m not sure if this article belongs here or in the “relationships” thread, but I’m posting it here because it is ostensibly focused on the recent talks between Charles and Philip.

I certainly didn’t expect the talks to go smoothly, but I did expect that father and son would be on the same page about this. I also hoped that by now their relationship had improved, but based on this article, it’s as strained as ever.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/1...ince-charles-harmful-plan-modernise-monarchy/

And if you read the Mail Philip and Charles joined forces to talk to Andrew.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Philip-ordered-Andrew-step-sake-monarchy.html

So at the end and as usual, nobody knows what really happened and the contrary is just pure speculation.
 
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