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Old 07-04-2020, 09:54 PM
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Okay so far so good. Job well done by the FBI now all they have to do is keep her alive while she helps them with their enquiries and interrogation.
After what happened to Epstein there is No guarantee that we can assume she will Live to tell her side of the story. That would be extremely naive.
I sincerely hope everything goes well and that the victims will get justice and compensation.
The safety of our children has to be a priority and has to be dealt with.
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Old 07-04-2020, 10:08 PM
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They are definitely going to keep an eagle eye on Maxwell even more so because they were left quite red in the face when Epstein died under their noses. Perhaps that is why Maxwell requested to be moved to the same place to await judgment on bail?

Actually the conviction of Maxwell to the full extent of the law probably will open the floodgates of lawsuits being filed by the many victims of these nasty people for justice and compensation. Its been suggested that now Maxwell is out of reach and in custody, some of the victims that were too petrified of this woman will now come forward. At least I hope so. Distribute Maxwell's wealth and assets among them is a good idea to me.
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Old 07-05-2020, 06:26 AM
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I've just seen the pix where Maxwell and Kevin S are sitting on the throne (and obviously Andrew didn't object to it and to pix being taken).
What a shame !
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Old 07-05-2020, 06:34 AM
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While it's good that Andrew Windsor has pulled out of his charities, it still bothers me that he is still called His Royal Highness the Duke of York and that he would still have his mansion out at Windsor, where the Queen Mum used to go on weekends. He is still too close to the British Government.
He has nothing to do with the Brtisih Govt.
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Old 07-05-2020, 08:43 AM
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I've just seen the pix where Maxwell and Kevin S are sitting on the throne (and obviously Andrew didn't object to it and to pix being taken).
What a shame !
Ghislaine Maxwell sitting on the Queen's throne, no wonder she and her cohorts thought they were untouchable.
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:18 AM
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Sure. He could be if there are any lawsuits filed against men that had sex with the women in Epstein and Maxwell's sex ring.
Again, I am not sure this is accurate. I don't know what the law is in the UK, but I think the statute of limitations to bring a lawsuit may have expired with respect to anything that happened in the Virgin Islands or Florida.

https://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/...013-Update.pdf
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:33 AM
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Okay so far so good. Job well done by the FBI now all they have to do is keep her alive while she helps them with their enquiries and interrogation.
After what happened to Epstein there is No guarantee that we can assume she will Live to tell her side of the story. That would be extremely naive.
I sincerely hope everything goes well and that the victims will get justice and compensation.
The safety of our children has to be a priority and has to be dealt with.
What exactly does she need to help them with? Isn't she the one that is charged and needs to suffer the consequences for her misdeeds?
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:39 AM
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:42 AM
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Again, I am not sure this is accurate. I don't know what the law is in the UK, but I think the statute of limitations to bring a lawsuit may have expired with respect to anything that happened in the Virgin Islands or Florida.

https://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/...013-Update.pdf
One thing that may be changing things up is the passing of the Child Victim Act. Its mainly been put into law in NY and a few other states, I believe, but the window is reportedly to close in August of 2020 (from this article). If the window is extended and many more states enact this into law, it bypasses the statute of limitations for crimes against minors.

I actually believe that we'll see more female victims of Epstein/Maxwell come forward now that Maxwell is behind bars. At least I hope so. All these girls/women deserve justice for what they've gone through.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com...ed/2805834001/
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:50 AM
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What exactly does she need to help them with? Isn't she the one that is charged and needs to suffer the consequences for her misdeeds?
Exactly. As much as I'm sure the Feds would love to know anything and everything and everybody that was involved with this sordid ring, arresting Maxwell is getting the Vice Kingpin of the whole operation. Epstein most certainly wouldn't have had his perverted sex ring without Maxwell although there are others out there that procured and groomed girls.

I don't see how in any way, shape or form that Maxwell will be granted any kind of leniency or "sweetheart" deals for coming clean about everything. This is why I think Maxwell will invoke her right to remain silent. Or wait and spend her days in her cell writing a best seller tell all book. "The Adventures of Jeff and Gigi".
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:46 AM
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One thing that may be changing things up is the passing of the Child Victim Act. Its mainly been put into law in NY and a few other states, I believe, but the window is reportedly to close in August of 2020 (from this article). If the window is extended and many more states enact this into law, it bypasses the statute of limitations for crimes against minors.

I actually believe that we'll see more female victims of Epstein/Maxwell come forward now that Maxwell is behind bars. At least I hope so. All these girls/women deserve justice for what they've gone through.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com...ed/2805834001/
I agree that it is possible that the window for civil actions could be extended, but it also could remain in place.

Regardless of what happens with civil matters, Andrew may continue to be in jeopardy if criminal charges are brought in the Virgin Islands, if the current statute of limitations was in effect in 2001. I am not licensed to practice law in the Virgin Islands so I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like the Virgin Islands changed its criminal statute of limitation laws within the last 20 years. The charges regarding whatever happened in the Virgin Islands are the strongest because there is another witness (although why he kept his mouth shut for so long is beyond me). Moreover, there are possible federal charges relating to the Mann Act.

Andrew would be a fool to cooperate with US authorities, even if he were innocent.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:53 AM
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Gigi is the only one charged so far. The Feds want her to rat on others on separate crimes.

The government doesn't want to be dragged into this. BoJo practically threw the BRF under the bus, making it the Windsors' responsibility to get Andrew to talk to the Feds.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:08 PM
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I agree that it is possible that the window for civil actions could be extended, but it also could remain in place.

Regardless of what happens with civil matters, Andrew may continue to be in jeopardy if criminal charges are brought in the Virgin Islands, if the current statute of limitations was in effect in 2001. I am not licensed to practice law in the Virgin Islands so I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like the Virgin Islands changed its criminal statute of limitation laws within the last 20 years. The charges regarding whatever happened in the Virgin Islands are the strongest because there is another witness (although why he kept his mouth shut for so long is beyond me). Moreover, there are possible federal charges relating to the Mann Act.

Andrew would be a fool to cooperate with US authorities, even if he were innocent.
The Feds were really interested in Andrew because he was a close friend of Maxwell's. If he was ordinary Joe Schmoe here in US, it would possible that Joe Schmoe would be placed in the witness protection program as its unknown out there who are enforcers to ensure mouths keep zipped up. They were not looking at Andrew for criminal charges. No one associated with Epstein/Maxwell has yet to be charged and prosecuted for their involvement with the cache of girls that Epstein/Maxwell trafficked and provided for them. There have been alleged charges against some people not too long ago (Trump for example) where the charges have been dropped by the accuser because of threats and fear.

As of today, I don't see anything leading to lawsuits against Andrew on criminal charges. That's not to say it won't happen in the future should the Child Victim Act gain momentum but its a totally different ball of wax than what is going on now. Then again, with Andrew being a citizen of the UK, getting him to the US to stand trial could prove to be tricky. As it stands right now, Andrew will no way be involved in the charges being levied against Maxwell. Maxwell is considered to be like a "Ms. Big" in a drug cartel whereas Andrew is more the "end of the line guy" who bought the drugs.

Everybody makes mistakes. Maxwell's was actually staying in the US. Dumb move if she didn't want to get caught.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:30 PM
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The Feds were really interested in Andrew because he was a close friend of Maxwell's. If he was ordinary Joe Schmoe here in US, it would possible that Joe Schmoe would be placed in the witness protection program as its unknown out there who are enforcers to ensure mouths keep zipped up. They were not looking at Andrew for criminal charges. No one associated with Epstein/Maxwell has yet to be charged and prosecuted for their involvement with the cache of girls that Epstein/Maxwell trafficked and provided for them. There have been alleged charges against some people not too long ago (Trump for example) where the charges have been dropped by the accuser because of threats and fear.
I understand your point but I can't agree. The Feds have many people standing in line to testify against Maxwell and, apparently, there is documentary evidence supporting the charges against her. As you indicated, he is one of many men who may have been involved. So why did the prosecutor make such a big deal about interviewing Andrew for the Maxwell case? I suspect it is because filing charges against Andrew would allow the prosecutor to bask in a lot of media attention.

As an attorney, I would not let Andrew go near it. I also want to note that I do not know if he is innocent or guilty. Not every allegation is true.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:42 PM
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Good points US Royal Watcher. I'm glad we're having this conversation and its apparent you are much more knowledgeable in these matters.

I wouldn't advise Andrew to go anywhere giving information to the investigation either, truth be told. Like a solid structure, once the foundation crumbles and falls away, there's bound to be a collapse of every brick in the structure. The foundation was Epstein/Maxwell and this perverted ring was built by them.

This is far from over, I expect to see many, many more lawsuits filed by the victims themselves.
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Old 07-05-2020, 01:54 PM
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I think the execution of a "No Knock Warrant" says it all. There is zero evidence she could have made a "daring escape" like some 007 villain nor let rip with an army of machine toting henchmen. It makes me understand that their misuse runs the gamit of excess when they are executed on a suspected criminal of any colour but white by swat poseurs who manage to get the wrong address or a potential big fish equals big publicity for an ambitious DA. It is a good thing that such warrants are under review.

All that aside, I am guessing the photo of her in BP was taken at Beatrice's birthday party where Kevin Spacey was also a guest. People have conveniently short memories regarding Kevin Spacey. He was an extremely successful and very talented screen actor in the US before he moved to the UK to work as an equally talented stage actor in the Westend and that big names have always been associated with high profile Charities, many of which have a royal patron.

As to PA, I fail to see the connection between he and Ms Maxwell other than they were acquainted, as indeed was Presidents Trump and Clinton and a host of other rich and famous people in a myriad of fields that even included Nobel Laureates.

When a Federal Warrant is issued by the Justice Department for Prince Andrew rather than interviews given by rich Attorney's for civil actions taken by Epstien's alleged victims, I'll be really interested. This repeated trial by news media and social media merely serves to ensure that Andrew would have no expectation of a fair trial should that ever happen.
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:13 PM
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Everybody makes mistakes. Maxwell's was actually staying in the US. Dumb move if she didn't want to get caught.
Paying a million $ in cash for a property was a bad mistake. The realtor would be required by law to report that to the federal government, and it wouldn’t have taken the feds very long to investigate where the money came from.

And Bradford’s a small town in a rural area, so many people must have heard about it. Chances are good that LE has known of Maxwell’s whereabouts for a long time, and that they had installed surveillance equipment on the property.

Why they waited so long to actually arrest her is unknown, but may be pertinent. I’m going to keep an eye on the New Hampshire media to see if any of the locals have something to say.
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Old 07-05-2020, 05:11 PM
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Here's another dumb move. Andrew's lawyers reached out to a lobbyist with ties to the Trump administration about the Epstein case.

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...y-epstein.html

Andrew's lawyers should be talking to SDNY and Home Office. The previous prosecutor is going before Congress to the handling of Trump related cases. If Andrew's mess is brought up it's a bigger PR problem for Andrew.
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Old 07-05-2020, 05:17 PM
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Here's another dumb move. Andrew's lawyers reached out to the Trump administration about the Epstein case.

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...y-epstein.html

Andrew's lawyers should be talking to SDNY and Home Office. Trump turned it down of course because it can be a political problem for him four months before the presidential election.
No his lawyers did NOT reach out to the Trump administration. The article clearly states they contacted a lobbyist with ties to the administration which is not the same thing. Trump was never involved.
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Old 07-05-2020, 05:55 PM
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@Gawin - I corrected my statement. It's above the post.
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