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Old 12-17-2019, 02:27 PM
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People that are legends in their own mind rarely see how other people see them. This was proven in the interview. He was probably truly shocked at the reactions that occurred in the aftermath of that disastrous interview.

That being said, I think he is going to be in for even more eye openers as people that once stroked his ego and kowtowed to him realize that the golden child they were dealing with is only coated with fool's gold. I think Andrew is about to find out who are his real friends in life and who were those that just gave lip service to him because of what Andrew could do for them. Y'know, the thing so important to Andrew himself. Connections.

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Old 12-17-2019, 02:28 PM
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Watching a documentary on Prince Andrew, very knteresting, so many invitations over 30 years to Balmoral, Windsor, Sandringham and Ascot, so many photographs show Maxwell or Eppstein with Andrew, unbelievable. I hope the British people will insist on further investigation and consequences for Andrew. So not let these victims alone ans do not let guilty persons away with this, no matter whose son he is! Disgusting.
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Old 12-17-2019, 02:31 PM
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He deserves the mess he got into. It's a good thing he did the interview. It showed people the true Andrew and it's ugly. We're past the time where priviliged people get away without facing the consequences of their abominable behaviour
Well I don't know about that. It seems that Harvey Weinstein is well on the way to an out of court settlement, much to the pain and disgust of those who laid bare their bitter experience.
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Old 12-21-2019, 03:37 AM
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Planned or not, Prince Philip's stay at hospital will draw most attention for a few days, good for Amdrew.
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Old 12-21-2019, 04:00 AM
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There really isn't going to be much to focus on Andrew anymore as there's really nothing new coming out. Anything in the future will depend on things that happen in the Epstein case itself that involves Andrew or if Ghislaine Maxwell surfaces publicly.
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Old 12-21-2019, 04:43 AM
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Planned or not, Prince Philip's stay at hospital will draw most attention for a few days, good for Amdrew.


Not everything has something to do with Andrew.
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Old 12-23-2019, 08:51 AM
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A sense of proportion

I am no fan of the Duke of York. I have found him to be quite arrogant. But I have to admit to being puzzled over the vitriolic comments made about him and the disassociation organisations are making from him without the Duke actually being charged, arrested, taken to trial or formally being found guilty. At the moment the horrible accusations are allegations, but in this modern world it seems an allegation is enough to ruin oneís reputation.
Americans want the Duke to stand trial - fair enough but at least charge him and let the courts do their work, donít leave it to the media to be judge and jury.
And if the Americans are so keen to have justice done then allow the extradition of one of their diplomatís wife to the UK to stand trial for the murder of the teenager she ran over - she has admitted killing him but ran away and refuses to stand trial in the UK. Trump has refused to wave her diplomatic immunity even though he acknowledges she killed a teenage boy.
What is the difference? Someone who has not been charged is found guilty by the American media but someone who admits killing someone is given a safe haven. There does seem to be some double standards occurring here. I suspect many Americans know nothing of the death of the English teenager by one of their countrymen, but know a lot about the allegations concerning the Duke of York.
The Duke deserves a fair trial if the allegations are true, not a trial by gossip, innuendo and media speculation.
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Old 12-23-2019, 12:22 PM
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Old 12-23-2019, 12:39 PM
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I am no fan of the Duke of York. I have found him to be quite arrogant. But I have to admit to being puzzled over the vitriolic comments made about him and the disassociation organisations are making from him without the Duke actually being charged, arrested, taken to trial or formally being found guilty. At the moment the horrible accusations are allegations, but in this modern world it seems an allegation is enough to ruin one’s reputation.
Americans want the Duke to stand trial - fair enough but at least charge him and let the courts do their work, don’t leave it to the media to be judge and jury.
And if the Americans are so keen to have justice done then allow the extradition of one of their diplomat’s wife to the UK to stand trial for the murder of the teenager she ran over - she has admitted killing him but ran away and refuses to stand trial in the UK. Trump has refused to wave her diplomatic immunity even though he acknowledges she killed a teenage boy.
What is the difference? Someone who has not been charged is found guilty by the American media but someone who admits killing someone is given a safe haven. There does seem to be some double standards occurring here. I suspect many Americans know nothing of the death of the English teenager by one of their countrymen, but know a lot about the allegations concerning the Duke of York.
The Duke deserves a fair trial if the allegations are true, not a trial by gossip, innuendo and media speculation.
The British media is frying Andrew at every opportunity. It is bringing up every unsavory and sketchy thing he has allegedly done. As for the diplomat's wife she should answer for what she has done in a UK court.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:37 PM
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Andrew will not be extradited to the US for questioning. That much I know. In order to be extradited, Andrew would have had to commit a crime that is recognized as a crime by both the US and the UK. At this time, Andrew has not been indicted for any crime whatsoever.
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Old 12-23-2019, 04:24 PM
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I am no fan of the Duke of York. I have found him to be quite arrogant. But I have to admit to being puzzled over the vitriolic comments made about him and the disassociation organisations are making from him without the Duke actually being charged, arrested, taken to trial or formally being found guilty. At the moment the horrible accusations are allegations, but in this modern world it seems an allegation is enough to ruin oneís reputation.
Americans want the Duke to stand trial -...
The Duke deserves a fair trial if the allegations are true, not a trial by gossip, innuendo and media speculation.
To quote my grandmother - two wrongs donít make one right.
Iíve followed the whole Epstein saga fairly closely & Iíve not seen any groundswell of demands in the USA or elsewhere that Andrew be prosecuted for committing a crime. A few of the victimís lawyers want him to answer questions, but thatís far short of demanding criminal charges be brought.
Regarding the Ďdisassociationí of organizations - Iíd call it distancing - they are primarily British organizations and associated themselves with Andrew in the first place I assume because his association raised their profile and improved their fund raising. Even if Andrew committed no crimes, his documented sybriatic lifestyle, financial shenanigans, and the arrogance and entitlement he showed in his televised interview caused a lot of people to dislike his lifestyle and attitude. I know if an organization chooses to associate with someone I donít admire or I dislike I donít donate to them. Likewise, I scrutinize their spending, and if too much goes to non charitable activities, or theyíre spending too much on what I call high profile fundraising excuses to throw a party for the rich and famous I donít donate. I assume the organizations have distanced themselves from Andrew because associating with him has a negative impact on the bottom line.
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Old 12-27-2019, 02:00 PM
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https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
Looks like the FBI is focusing on Ghislaine Maxwell - I’m not surprised at that - & at present have no plans to interview Andrew. Let’s hope Andrew has learned from his mistake in remaining friends with Epstein and doesn’t repeat it with Ghislaine, particularly since there is at least one account from a young adult woman that Ghislaine facilitated introducing her to Andrew, conduct similar to Ghislaine procuring minors for Epstein. See this article - for references, which I believe I’ve linked previously as well https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/...e-report-says/
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Old 12-27-2019, 02:37 PM
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Americans want the Duke to stand trial

I suspect many Americans know nothing of the death of the English teenager by one of their countrymen, but know a lot about the allegations concerning the Duke
None of these statements are universally true.

In fact, Iíd say most Americans donít know or care much about Andrew and his involvement. There are bigger names in the U.S. to focus on.
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Old 12-28-2019, 06:48 AM
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99 percent of the Americans I know (in real life) have no idea about Andrew...they don't even know his name or family connection unless you explain who he is. Even among the very few ppl I know who do know who he is...none of them are talking about this situation.


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Old 12-28-2019, 07:36 AM
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Same here. I work around mostly highly educated millennials. Outside of Kate/Wiiliam and Meghan/Harry they have no clue about anything concerning European royalty and they care even less.

That goes double for my family and friends.
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Old 12-28-2019, 08:00 AM
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I am no fan of the Duke of York. I have found him to be quite arrogant. But I have to admit to being puzzled over the vitriolic comments made about him and the disassociation organisations are making from him without the Duke actually being charged, arrested, taken to trial or formally being found guilty. At the moment the horrible accusations are allegations, but in this modern world it seems an allegation is enough to ruin oneís reputation.
Americans want the Duke to stand trial - fair enough but at least charge him and let the courts do their work, donít leave it to the media to be judge and jury.
And if the Americans are so keen to have justice done then allow the extradition of one of their diplomatís wife to the UK to stand trial for the murder of the teenager she ran over - she has admitted killing him but ran away and refuses to stand trial in the UK. Trump has refused to wave her diplomatic immunity even though he acknowledges she killed a teenage boy.
What is the difference? Someone who has not been charged is found guilty by the American media but someone who admits killing someone is given a safe haven. There does seem to be some double standards occurring here. I suspect many Americans know nothing of the death of the English teenager by one of their countrymen, but know a lot about the allegations concerning the Duke of York.
The Duke deserves a fair trial if the allegations are true, not a trial by gossip, innuendo and media speculation.
"Americans" don't want Prince Andrew to do anything. As someone else pointed out, aside from William, Harry, and their spouses, most Americans know jack and squat about the BRF and its goings-on. There are too many things going on in this country right now that demand our attention. Prince Andrew and his unseemly, unsavory, and downright disgusting friends don't even rank. Frankly, Americans should be more concerned with Bill Clinton and Donald Trump's association with Jeffrey Epstein than Prince Andrew's.
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Old 12-28-2019, 08:06 AM
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Same here. I work around mostly highly educated millennials. Outside of Kate/Wiiliam and Meghan/Harry they have no clue about anything concerning European royalty and they care even less.

That goes double for my family and friends.
I agree. And even with Kate/William and Meghan/Harry, most Americans don't know much, and care even less.

Social media and the tabloid press skew our perceptions in the TRF bubble. All the drama attached to the British royals over the last year or so isn't even a blip on most Americans' radar.
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Old 12-28-2019, 08:50 AM
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I think there is as much and more interest in the US on Royal affairs as there is in Brtiain….
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:58 AM
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I think there is as much and more interest in the US on Royal affairs as there is in BrtiainÖ.
There isn't. I can assure you. People may be curious about the Cambridges and Sussexes because of William and Harry, but that's all. The news in this country does not focus on the BRF unless it concerns one of those two or someone died. It certainly doesn't focus on Randy Andy and who he pals around with. Any conversation about Jeffrey Epstein's friends here has been centered on Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, as far as big names go, not the Duke of York. There's also a lot of focus on the manner of his death and how it was allowed to happen. That's it.

We've got too many other important things to worry about.
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Old 12-28-2019, 10:37 AM
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If going by my other half who is far more interested in American politics and "breaking news" than I am, there's also very little interest actually in Jeffrey Epstein. I'll mention something going on with the investigation and he'll go "Who's Epstein?"

Once Epstein died and the front page news on him went away (for the most part), people lost interest. If they're not talking about Epstein at all, they're most certainly not talking about Andrew's involvement with him. Even the other half asked me to explain to him exactly who Andrew is. He recognizes the Queen, Charles and perhaps William and Harry and that's about the size of it.
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