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Old 12-08-2019, 01:57 PM
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EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photo shows paedo Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein and 'pimp' Ghislaine Maxwell at Beatrice's 18th birthday bash

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/105056...box=1575790063


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Old 12-08-2019, 03:19 PM
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I feel so bad for Beatrice, her name and face continue to pop up in situations she had no control over as she had nothing to do with this disaster.
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:19 PM
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EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photo shows paedo Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein and 'pimp' Ghislaine Maxwell at Beatrice's 18th birthday bash

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/105056...box=1575790063


Oy.

Nice of the Sun to try to dirty up other members of the BRF because they attended Bea's 18th birthday party like Epstein, Maxwell and Einstein. But I think this tops your reveal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mments-7768995
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:27 PM
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Whether the DM made it up or not: Attending the christmas service is a family tradition, so I don't see why Andrew should not attend as he does each year. This is not a 'royal performance' even though it might be treated as such. Other family members that don't do royal duties (such as Anne's children, the York princesses and the Wessex children) attend as well, so no reason to exclude him from attending church. It would be wise not to join the queen in the car to church but walking with the other family members should be fine.

However, before the christmas service there is also the family lunch (most likely in 1 1/2 weeks), so I would expect that to be the first time he is to be 'seen' since he stepped down from royal duties (as the family lunch also is not a royal duty but a yearly activity for all family members).
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:51 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:20 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
I'm not sure I agree with this. It may just mean that they still consider him a member of the family, and that they are not prepared to ostracize him. And it's church on Christmas Day, not an official event, so I do think it has slightly different connotations.

Personally, I would be thrilled if Andrew had made other plans, but I will not be at all surprised if he shows up for the church walk. We'll see how it all plays out.
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Old 12-08-2019, 06:02 PM
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I highly doubt she cancelled her engagement party. That is a private event and Andrew being under the spotlight has nothing to do with that other than he's her father.



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Old 12-08-2019, 06:02 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
Reportedly Philip recently told Andrew that the Epstein scandal meant his royal career would be over - which doesn't sound like he's 100% behind Andrew to me! I agree that HM seems to be supporting him as a mother, but of course we don't know what her opinion on Andrew's personal involvement is unless she says so (which I doubt she will). Whilst I'm absolutely not condoning Andrew's actions and this whole vile situation, it will be hard for HM to cut ties with her son if she ever plans on doing so.
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Old 12-08-2019, 06:28 PM
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We have to keep remembering that the BRF family Christmas is exactly that, a family occasion. That crowds turn out to watch them do the ritual stroll down to Church for the Christmas day service is totally irrelevant. They are on holiday and not an official engagement and that they stop and spend time with the royal supporters is because they want to do it and not because they have to do it.

Regardless, nobody has the right to tell anyone who or who not to love in their family. Loving someone does not mean you endorse or accept unacceptable behaviour, familial love transcends that. Me? There are times I really don't like my brother, but that does not mean I do not love him.

On an even more important level, HM is head of the Church of England and it isn't just a title to her. She is a devout, practising Christian so is it any surprise that she lives her faith?

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34. But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Saying that HM should shun both her faith and her son, banishing him from her family not only runs contrary to her faith but is harsh and hurtful to the entire family.
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Old 12-08-2019, 06:29 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
Hmm. I'm of two minds about this. The increasingly grumpy old cynic in me agrees with this sentiment, but, on reflection, it is arguable that his presence with his family attending the Christmas Day church service is perfectly reasonable and unavaoidable. In my opinion Andrew has behaved appallingly over this whole set of circumstances and I am prepared to criticise him loudly and often for his arrogance and poor decisions, but he has not been convicted of a crime, or even charged with one.

His mother is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, and the Christmas Day service is all about celebrating the birth of Christ, who, according to the Church's teachings, was God's son, sent by Him to save people from their sins. The Church teaches charity and forgiveness and not giving up on people. In this context it would be rather poor form and quite hypocritical of Her Majesty to forbid Andrew from attending church with the family that day, even if she wanted to. He would be wise to appear humble though and not bear a smug smile or give any inkling that he thinks his presence there means he is in the clear.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:00 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
Maybe it could also mean the man wants to attend church with his family on Christmas like millions of other saints and sinners the world over?

I personally think the public stroll can and should be avoided. But banning a person from church is a bridge too far imo.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:01 PM
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EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photo shows paedo Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein and 'pimp' Ghislaine Maxwell at Beatrice's 18th birthday bash

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/105056...box=1575790063


Oy.
Epstein hadn’t even been arrested the first time at the time of Beatrice’s birthday party.
Again, people rewriting history.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:05 PM
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Exactly. And Harvey Weinstein was still "God" according to Hollywood .
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:22 PM
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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”
He's still part of the family. To be excluded, and rightfully so, from royal duties is one thing, to be seen as a pariah from your own flesh and blood is an other.
The upcoming Christmas family lunch will be the first clue on the family front.
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Old 12-08-2019, 08:54 PM
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Epstein hadn’t even been arrested the first time at the time of Beatrice’s birthday party.
Again, people rewriting history.
Correct. He was arrested the next week. It is still quite the image.

I think Andrew doing the very public stroll would be a bad idea but I don't expect his family to ban the man. I do think it will be very distracting and bring unnecessary bad press to the family on a day that doesn't need it.
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Old 12-08-2019, 09:13 PM
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He will walk to Church. He has no shame.
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Old 12-08-2019, 10:41 PM
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I believe Andrew has lost components to the personality that make a truly decent person.
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Old 12-08-2019, 10:44 PM
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He will walk to Church. He has no shame.
Yes, in his mind the only thing he’s done wrong is to be too ‘honorable’ in saying goodby to Epstein. He’s too full of himself to consider that by walking to church he could subject the rest of the family, including his daughters, to hecklers. Nor does he seem to have enough honor or integrity to skip walking to church this year so as to not cause more bad press for his family.

My sense is that the calls to examine his finances is where the real long term danger to the RF lies. We know he’s lived an extravagant life, far beyond what on paper he should be able to afford. Reports of his abusing his position for personal gain are increasing. I’m not sure the RF wants an inquiry into Andrew’s finances since it might lead to inquiries into all of their finances.
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Old 12-09-2019, 01:32 AM
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We don't even know if they were planning a party at all, at least yet.

The DM is IMO covering their ass, as they are forced to do constantly. They published a 'rumor' about an engagement party and it didn't pan out. So they are now claiming it was cancelled. No evidence there was a party planned in the first place, or that it was cancelled.

Considering the PR issues, I highly doubt they would have planned such a public location anyways.

As for singing for their supper.....neither Edo or Bea are hurting for money. Bea has her trust fund. Edo is personally said to be worth millions from his real estate business (besides his family wealth). Between Bea's family, Edo's family, and their well connected friends, finding a location to throw a party is not an issue.

Honestly I'd not be surprised if instead of the 'destination wedding' people predict, maybe a destination engagement party. With friends like Richard Branson, they have no shortage of options.


The need to drag Beatrice through the mud in her father's scandal is tiresome at best.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:29 AM
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Another casualty of Andrew's scandals? Beatrice apparently called off her engagement party

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ent-party.html

They may be looking for another date and location. I never understood announcing like they did given what is going on with Andrew. And I don't understand needing the queen's blessing for the party. As ninth in line to the throne Beatrice doesn't need tube queen consent to marry.


Literally another non story, that nobody can prove was ever happening.

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Nice of the Sun to try to dirty up other members of the BRF because they attended Bea's 18th birthday party like Epstein, Maxwell and Einstein. But I think this tops your reveal



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mments-7768995

I’m not sure why you’ve linked the comments sections of an article, it’s been highly moderated and actually contains comments for Andrew.

Stop stirring it’s really annoying.


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Epstein hadn’t even been arrested the first time at the time of Beatrice’s birthday party.

Again, people rewriting history.


Thank you! I have literally seen nothing new in the press, frankly since Epstein died possibly even before that. The press are bored and they’re dragging up old stories to back up new claims when actually it does the opposite.

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His presence with the royal family at Christmas will send out a very clear message — “we’re 100% behind Andrew.”

We’re 100% behind Andrew being a member of the family perhaps? I’m frankly getting sick of saying this but the man has legally done NOTHING WRONG. He’s an idiot for doing the interview, but literally nothing new has happened. Andrew has appeared at Christmas after Christmas since his relationship with Epstein began and ended, can you tell me what has changed now? Other than doing the interview.

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Maybe it could also mean the man wants to attend church with his family on Christmas like millions of other saints and sinners the world over?



I personally think the public stroll can and should be avoided. But banning a person from church is a bridge too far imo.

Right idea, I don’t begrudge the man going to church with his family. Perhaps go to the early morning service and not the one before lunch?
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