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Old 11-26-2019, 06:06 PM
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The Queen pays him allowances out of her personal income and will continue to do so to support his private staff etc. She could threaten to withhold that from him if needed. I just think whilst its right he couldn't go on representing the Queen and country overseas or at home with all this going on, nor do the vast majority of the public want him to, as Gawin quoted, whats the point of him without that?

If he tries going into business the press will raise merry hell, if he keeps jetting around the world meeting famous people and rich people he'll be the party prince "who does nothing". I hope somewhere the RF's best aides are working out a very discreet, very unpublic role that he can fill purely to keep him from getting into trouble. If he was less big headed and a bit more countryside savy he could have been given one of the private estates to run or similar, tbh I'm at a loss to think of what he could do but just something that he can go and do and keep out the way.

I completely agree about the RF becoming more centralised, this whole debacle has highlighted how much of a myth it is to suggest there really is even a "firm" at work here. really this is lots of people from a family getting on and doing what they do completely separately from each other. TBH that does work in some ways because usually you are talking about royals like Edward and Sophie, Anne or the Gloucester's who rarely raise even half an eyebrow from the press or public so can just be "trusted" to get on with their own thing with their own staff. But when you throw people like Andrew into that situation it backfires completely. The fact that needs to be learnt is that whatever each individual royal does it100% has an affect on the monarchy as a whole so therefore surely the monarchy from BP must have an iron grip over what each of these family members and their staff do. In some ways I'm not surprised, remember the Queen's much trusted competent Private Secretary Sir Geidt left in part because he wanted to greater unite the Households, he was talking about Charles and his staff and William and his working better with the Queen's staff but I guess if the three main players who have the most to lose weren't woking together why should we have suspected that that the other royals were.
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:45 PM
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Aside from the sex trafficking v sex offender argument, I was thinking that as necessary as making Andrew step aside was required, will it not possibly create problems in the long run, especially if Charles and William really do want him to step aside for good.
I honestly think we've seen Andrew being put out to pasture permanently. If the intent was to disappear from the public eye and royal duties and engagements until the Epstein investigation is concluded and Andrew's name "cleared", why remove Andrew from his charity roles and rename and rebrand his Pitch@Palace to "Pitch" and move his office out of BP if there was any intent of him returning to them again? I think the wording of the "official announcement" was carefully composed to sound kind and perhaps allow Andrew to somewhat "save face". It is kinder to word something "official" with "It with regret that we announce.." rather than "Due to lack of character we..." Its a neutral and objective way of stating something rather than being subjective and judgmental. This is what I believe has happened and Andrew is the first of the Queen's children to leave the "Firm".

Everything else is a character study of human nature. Just because Andrew is good at digging himself a huge hole, hedges on questions asked and beats around the bush answering direct questions, it doesn't make him a professional landscaper. It gives us clues though into who this man is. Most of us here are quite familiar with Andrew's demeanor and can point out reasons, even before this Epstein controversy, examples of arrogance, entitlement and "highness". What Andrew did or did not know, only *he* really knows but we can see signs pointing to that he may have clearly seen or then again, he may of been oblivious to the signs because they didn't register with him. Some people look for the "women" sign for a restroom. Others don't. It would depend on the gender. :)

The President of the US stated once “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Alan Dershowitz, who now has filed a defamation of character suit against Ms. Giuffre is on record as saying
“In those days, if you didn’t know Trump and you didn’t know Epstein, you were a nobody,” There are probably many more statements along these lines. Its observations of Epstein's draw to the rich and powerful. Add Andrew, with his sense of "entitlement" and we can easily see why Andrew was drawn to Epstein. None of these men in this paragraph are accused of knowing about Epsteins' sex trafficking ring but are solely guilty of being "drawn in" by Epstein and that, in of itself, questions their own moral character.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/u...p-epstein.html

Do I think Andrew knew what was going on around him? I can honestly say that I don't know. A lot of things point to the possibility that Andrew can and does go through life oblivious to what's around him and in general, lots of people surrounding him could be like "white noise" to a person that's been in crowds and in the public eye for his entire life. A lot of things points to flashing neon lights that Andrew couldn't have missed but chose to. Only Andrew really knows and after that fiasco of an interview, I don't think we'll ever really know. He's not about to do a second interview and be direct with his answers.

All in all, steps have been taken that do tell Andrew that he reaps what he sows and he's lost a *lot*. Its his "Novemberinium Horriblis". There's no turning back from this. Will he learn a lesson from all this? I don't know. The general public has long memories and we've not seen the BBC NewsNight interview with Ms. Giuffre yet. Thanks to Andrew's interview and its repercussions, the Giuffre interview most likely will receive even a higher viewing rating and in a way that's positive for her. Her message will reach more people than if Andrew had remained silent, kept calm and carried on.

Just my thoughts here.
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:57 PM
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It will be interesting to see what happens with Andrew going forward. It’s quite the mess, but I don’t see how he can recover at this point. I hope his stepping down will be permanent since he has shown throughout the years that he is has incredibly bad judgement which has repeatedly embarrassed TRF. It has to stop.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:05 PM
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Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:15 PM
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Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?

He might want to. But unless he provides convincing evidence that he's innocent of Virginia Giuffre's accusation (which his interview failed to provide) he needs to shut up.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:26 PM
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Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
He could, that doesn't make it a good idea. If for some unknown reason he felt compelled to I hope he'd have it ghostwritten, because his interview proved he isn't great at communicating his thoughts or ideas to the public.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:45 PM
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Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
I can't think of any good purpose of penning a book on his life and times with Epstein would provide for Andrew. He'd have to write more than a few words that would belie his claim that he "really wasn't that close" to Epstein. Anything more than what would amount to a pamphlet would prove an "in depth" analysis on Andrew's part of the whole controversy.

He'll be better off keeping a pencil with an eraser handy for tabulating his golf scores. It would be much more pleasurable for him as he loves to golf.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:45 PM
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If he tries going into business the press will raise merry hell, if he keeps jetting around the world meeting famous people and rich people he'll be the party prince "who does nothing". I hope somewhere the RF's best aides are working out a very discreet, very unpublic role that he can fill purely to keep him from getting into trouble. If he was less big headed and a bit more countryside savy he could have been given one of the private estates to run or similar, tbh I'm at a loss to think of what he could do but just something that he can go and do and keep out the way.
I agree with you and others that 'something' must be thought up for Andrew. He won't completely disappear but what can he do that would not potentially be construed negatively or lead to greater damage. I am curious to see what they come up with to keep him somewhat busy while preferably keeping him out of the 'rich and famous businessmen' especially in combination with - in some way - 'needy people' (which is exactly what Pitch is all about).

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He'll be better off keeping a pencil with an eraser handy for tabulating his golf scores. It would be much more pleasurable for him as he loves to golf.
Well, they could send him to Mallorca and have him play golf with princess Birgitta; she seems perfectly happy doing that every single day for years in a row
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:54 PM
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Actually something golf related may be an excellent idea. Andrew loves golfing and with that as his focus, his interest would be centered and focused on the sport. No clue here actually how to implement it though.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:57 PM
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Well, here's something new..

I think this is a really wise course of action. For one thing, I love that Charles is going to see his father, just to see him. For another, I think it's a good idea to take some time to digest everything before reading the riot act to Andrew - and saying things that he might regret. We have to remember that, after all, they are brothers, so while Charles is undoubtedly livid and will want to ensure that Andrew is out of everyone's hair so to speak in terms of official functions, he's got to keep the "professional" from the personal. Andrew is being retired from the BRF as to appearances, etc., but he's still their son, brother, etc.. Lastly, I think Philip has a lot of wisdom to offer and I'm glad Charles is availing himself of that.

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The heir arrived back in the UK during the early hours before going to the Norfolk estate where Prince Philip, 98, now spends large parts of his retirement.

Charles, 71, has decided against summoning his brother immediately to give him a dressing down over his “car crash” interview with BBC Newsnight, well-placed sources have revealed.

He has chosen to stay at Sandringham for the rest of the week in order to catch up with his father and have time to “listen to and digest his advice”.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hilip-20967531
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:20 PM
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I sometimes wonder if Andrew would dress up like Peter Rabbit and wave to tourists from the Palace balcony....IF the price was right.

It's why i caught my breath at the idea of him publishing his memoirs, completing with chapter on L'Affaire Epstein. Because if some fancy New York or London publishing house was to dangle the carrot of a big fat pay advance to Andrew, i honestly can not see him refusing it.
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Old 11-26-2019, 09:56 PM
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Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
Yes, a riveting best seller listed as “adult fiction”
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:56 PM
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Well, here's something new..

I think this is a really wise course of action. For one thing, I love that Charles is going to see his father, just to see him. For another, I think it's a good idea to take some time to digest everything before reading the riot act to Andrew - and saying things that he might regret. We have to remember that, after all, they are brothers, so while Charles is undoubtedly livid and will want to ensure that Andrew is out of everyone's hair so to speak in terms of official functions, he's got to keep the "professional" from the personal. Andrew is being retired from the BRF as to appearances, etc., but he's still their son, brother, etc.. Lastly, I think Philip has a lot of wisdom to offer and I'm glad Charles is availing himself of that.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hilip-20967531
I believe the Duke of Edinburgh was unwell during the week - as he was unable to return for a Dinner for the Wedding Anniversary. I knew there wasn't an official event - but I expected the family gathering at least. But then again there minds were on other stuff. Anne and Edward have also visited this week. There is also a possibility that the Duke of Edinburgh's patronage and charities that were given to Andrew might be split among them. Seems unfair that any of the charities and patronage should be sideline over this - especially the Duke of Edinburgh's.

The Way Ahead meeting this December is going to be a loaded and heavy meeting. Unsure if I want to be a fly on the wall there.
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:45 AM
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Andrew is off the royal guest list for the reception of NATO leaders

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...296.html%3famp

Harry, Meghan, Sophie and William are not attending for various reasons. The irony of Trump coming considering his ties to Epstien. The BRF better brace itself for another car crash interview because Trump will most likely be asked about Andrew.
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:57 AM
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Ok, he procured underage girl to be raped. There's no "underage prostitution", it's rape, because legally underage people cannot consent to having sex or prostitution. This was well known, as he was convicted for it. Andrew and everyone else knew it.
of course he knew it. He said that he knew he could not go on being friends with Esptetin after it..so he wnet to the US to tell him so (and stayed 4 days). but he knew that Epstein had been convicted of procuring an under age girl for prostitution. if he did that once, and there were lots of young girls hanging around the house of course Andrew knew that Epstein was guilty of a particularly horrible crime involving an under aged girl.. (it wasn't just a man having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, it involved prostitution). He knew perfectly well tht Epstein was not someone it was suitable for him to be seen with.
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Old 11-27-2019, 04:02 AM
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I’m literally quoting what he was charged for. Don’t have a go at me, for the technical term he was charged for.
And I'm saying what it means in non legal words. The legal term vs what he actually did. He procured a minor for rape. Andrew and everyone else knew this. Theres no excusing him.

As for what Andrew will do... He's a 60 year old man. He will continue to do what he's done this long, live his life in insane luxury and benefit from the "connections" he was so happy about. I don't know why any royal aides should be figuring out anything for him.
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Old 11-27-2019, 04:22 AM
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And I'm saying what it means in non legal words. The legal term vs what he actually did. He procured a minor for rape. Andrew and everyone else knew this. Theres no excusing him.

As for what Andrew will do... He's a 60 year old man. He will continue to do what he's done this long, live his life in insane luxury and benefit from the "connections" he was so happy about. I don't know why any royal aides should be figuring out anything for him.
Of course. He msut have known that Epstien was involved with prostitution and with under age prostitution at that.
as for what he will do, I Agree he wil probably lead a comfortable life. Im not sure if he will have the saem "connexions" if he is a disgraced out of work Prince..but he will have friends because there are always people who are willing to hang along with a person who has wealth.. but IMO he is finished as a Royal or a charity patron... and rightly so. If he "acts up" because he has nothing solid to do, that's his problem. He will only look worse and more of a fool than he has done already...
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:23 AM
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He knew what Epstein was involved in. But , chose to ignore it for the money and the connections.His ego and stupidity caused his downfall no one else. i don't think anyone needs to find something for him to do. His mother will support him and his lifestyle so his lifestyle won't suffer. I'm sure he will still have some wealthy friends who he can see .
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:36 AM
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Andrew is off the royal guest list for the reception of NATO leaders

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...296.html%3famp

Harry, Meghan, Sophie and William are not attending for various reasons. The irony of Trump coming considering his ties to Epstien. The BRF better brace itself for another car crash interview because Trump will most likely be asked about Andrew.
Trump won't criticize Andrew publicly over Epstein. Never in a million years.

If asked about it he will insist that "Prince Andrew is the victim of an unfair witch hunt" .

Then of course he will draw a parallel between Andrew's situation and his own with the example of the impeachment process.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:58 AM
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Well, here's something new..

I think this is a really wise course of action. For one thing, I love that Charles is going to see his father, just to see him. For another, I think it's a good idea to take some time to digest everything before reading the riot act to Andrew - and saying things that he might regret. We have to remember that, after all, they are brothers, so while Charles is undoubtedly livid and will want to ensure that Andrew is out of everyone's hair so to speak in terms of official functions, he's got to keep the "professional" from the personal. Andrew is being retired from the BRF as to appearances, etc., but he's still their son, brother, etc.. Lastly, I think Philip has a lot of wisdom to offer and I'm glad Charles is availing himself of that.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hilip-20967531
All interesting news if this is all true, however, I am rather skeptical on the report of Charles going immediately to Sandringham to be advised by his father. Phillip being 98 and not having been seen in public for some time has me thinking his health may have something to do with the immediate and extended visit. I am sure the Duke has a lot of wisdom on dealing with this crises, however I would think the Queen would be Charles first priority if it was advise/strategy that was needed. It is ultimately up to her Majesty, Charles and William as to Andrews fate. JMO.
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