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Old 11-18-2019, 07:49 PM
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Andrew is so selfish. I find all these interviews to air dirt laundry and personal matters really undervalue the great work many royals are doing.

Andrew should resign and Queen/Charles should allow Beatrice/ Eugenie to become full time royals and take over their father's patronages.

People have had so much respect for the The Queen's reign in the past couple of years, and now it is all overshadowed by all these personal issues/ interviews.

it's disheartening.
While I agree Andrew should exit stage left after this disaster, why should this suddenly let Bea and Eugenie become full-time royals and essentially take up dad's workload?

Given the longtime story that Andrew has been pushing the York girls to be fulltime royals (whether or not you believe it I've seen the story floated as recently as today)that course of action might be seen as rewarding Andrew. Sure he's been pushed out, but by stepping down he's secured the life-long roles in the firm (and the associated privileges and paychecks) for his daughters that he's reportedly clamored for.

Much more likely replacements are the Sussexes and Cambridges. Many of his army patronages would fit neatly in Harry's portfolio, some dealing with young people and medicine would fit for Kate, and his patronage of the arts and ballet could go to Meghan (although the latter would work for Kate too). Others like those relating the deaf/blind, nautical matters, science, and military appointments could go to any member of the royal family, depending on interests.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:09 PM
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By reading comments in papers the words "can of worms" or in French "boïte de Pandore" springs to my mind….
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:34 PM
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Another summation in a quote that Andrew should have heeded before doing this interview which, to me, will be impossible to come back from is:

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." ~ Dante Alighieri

I think it will be interesting and informative to see just how many public engagements Andrew does in the coming days. Business as usual or MIA? Only Andrew knows at this point. He can't be so oblivious or hiding under a rock somewhere that he's not seeing the repercussions from all this.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:57 PM
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Interesting new development to monitor.

It's possible, I'm told, that Ghislaine Maxwell is talking to the FBI. If she flips, she might give them #PrinceAndrew. That could explain his extraordinary performance on the #PrinceAndrew interview. He was getting in his denial first.

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/...76148597149696
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:35 PM
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I've watched the entire interview, and the thing that is striking to me--actually, "stunning" is a better word--is that at no point did Andrew explicitly express empathy for any of the girls who were abused and exploited. He used the word "unbecoming" to describe Jeffrey Epstein's behavior. The lack of empathy, the lack of acknowledgement that Epstein's behavior was monstrous, and that he himself showed a horrendous lack of judgment in associating with Epstein, is appalling. At one point, asked if he regretted his association, Andrew said that no, the benefits he had received from his association, and the access Epstein provided to various people, caused him to not regret it.
I agree that the interview was very self-centered but there was one point in which he acknowledged some interest in the girls, which was when he said 'rightly so' when the interviewer talked about the focus now being on the girls' stories.

He seemed mainly to regret visiting Epstein in 2010; as if everything else was just fine?!

And his focus on the dates was rather obvious. For example about the April meeting, he did not deny he was with her but started talking about his schedule and how he had only visited the house a day earlier (or so). And he did not want to go as far as stating that she lied. How can both his denial and her story be truth at the same time?!

Had he never had anything to do with any of the girls, it would have been fairly easy to deny everything and to categorically state that anything else was absolutely false, I would think.

And that whole story about the photograph didn't make things better either. "I have no explanation" - I never went upstairs?! (How do you know this is upstairs?) I also wonder why being friends with Maxwell doesn't seem to be a problem given the growing evidence that she most likely had an important part in all of this.

Nonetheless, I can imagine that if Andrew is so set in his own ways, he might have come from this interview thinking that he did well and had been able to share his side of the story. I guess by now he at least knows (might not understand) that the public thinks differently - although at first the BBC seemed rather positive; not sure how they are reporting about it now.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:45 PM
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Interesting new development to monitor.

It's possible, I'm told, that Ghislaine Maxwell is talking to the FBI. If she flips, she might give them #PrinceAndrew. That could explain his extraordinary performance on the #PrinceAndrew interview. He was getting in his denial first.

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/...76148597149696
One would think that if this is true, that Andrew doesn't really have to worry about a train wreck any longer, he just has to watch out for the oncoming bus. I've not heard anything about Maxwell at all talking to the FBI so I'll wait until its confirmed by reliable sources.

Methinks though that Andrew probably wishes he still couldn't sweat. It may be that he's got *lots* to sweat about in the near future.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:06 PM
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It is all over CNN again Andrew reminds me of one person who doesn't know when to stop.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:06 PM
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I couldnt believe Andrew was so careless and reckless to put himself unnecessarily at risk. He appeared vulnerable and exposed and unprepared. This goes against all the training that royalty receives. Presumably this is the result of Fergie who will have guided him into the interview - even though she has not the slightest idea what the correct Royal response is to controversy. The no doubt have a sincere and loving relationship in private - but to the rest of us it manifests itself as incredibly dysfunctional and this interview demonstrates the lack of perspective they both possess.

The pair of them should get married and move out of White Lodge into a modest G&F property where they can live happily ever after. Then (we can pray) they can start to rebuild their reputations by getting seriously involved in charitable work and public service. I cant see Fergie doing this - so I suppose the pair of them are 'doomed'. It would be good to see a fresh start where Andrew takes a new course and becomes a pioneer in work that has nothing to do with money - eg he could devote himself to military or guards related charities, maybe animal welfare rights, music education for talented but deprived children. Come on there is a vast market of good causes desperate for a well intentioned royal with plenty of time on his/ her hands to do some good.

There may be a vast market, but do members of this vast market want him?

He's besmirched and a ludicrous figure now, but I don't think there will be legal problems unless Ghislaine Maxwell shows up in a courtroom. So … onward.

His best days as a public figure were his days in the Royal Navy. His service still strikes a chord with people.

An honorable way for him to contribute to his nation would be going back and serve the Navy in a charitable role that provides assistance and housing etc., so many of these basics for families of serving RN personnel. If he did it quietly, based himself in Portsmouth and didn't publicize anything and left the Bentley and the flunkies at home, it could really work. He's cocky enough to bust through Whitehall and/or Defense red tape and get funding and help for Navy families.

The wrong way to raise funds (and probably his first impulse) would be to call his old arms smuggler friends and scions of dictators for money, and promise them plaques at Portsmouth in exchange for his vacations on their yachts.

No.

He should deal with his mother's government, the same people who decide on the Sovereign Grant.


And his ex-wife has to keep her trap shut.
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:22 AM
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"And his ex-wife has to keep her trap shut."

I agree. She has added to the problem of giving a clear and helpful message. But I think they will re-marry - maybe sooner because of this scandal. Andrew will need her more and more for support.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:04 AM
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Her majesty should allow Prince Charles to take over the management of the firm and all royals who supports it. But I find Prince Charles ("too nice") if that's a word. He seems more mellow than William.

I imagine Prince William might be tougher on his reign than Charles. He seems to be strict, may be even more so than Charles.
From everything I've heard and read over the years Prince Charles has quite the temper and Andrew is not his favorite sibling by any stretch of the imagination.

Charles is already in the middle of everything (has been for years) so when the time comes there is a somewhat seamless transition. However the Queen has the final say. She seems very much in control still.



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Old 11-19-2019, 08:15 AM
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The University of Huddersfield and the university’s Students Union are making a decision on The Duke of York’s Chancellorship-
https://mobile.twitter.com/majestyma...93865841012736

https://mobile.twitter.com/lizzieitv...62958631768067
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:18 AM
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One would think that if this is true, that Andrew doesn't really have to worry about a train wreck any longer, he just has to watch out for the oncoming bus. I've not heard anything about Maxwell at all talking to the FBI so I'll wait until its confirmed by reliable sources.

Methinks though that Andrew probably wishes he still couldn't sweat. It may be that he's got *lots* to sweat about in the near future.
Gloria Allred (attty for the one woman) was on the news (and twitter) last night about Andrew needing to come talk to the FBI.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1196547567162671107


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Old 11-19-2019, 08:32 AM
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More court documents may be released in six weeks

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-evidence.html

If Andrew is named and there is more concrete evidence the queen and Charles may have to make tough decisions to protect the Crown.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:39 AM
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Watching today’s lunchtime panel show Loose Women in the UK and they have been discussing Prince Andrew’s interview. They mention that on their website they had a poll “Have you lost respect for the Monarchy?”. 56% of people had answered yes.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:55 AM
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Confirmed:
OutwardBoundUK will have a board meeting to discuss Prince Andrew’s patronage. This patronage was handed to Prince Andrew from his father, the Duke of Edinburgh, this year.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:15 AM
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I knew Andrew would make matters worse with the interview.
The RF has to marginalize him or they will all suffer.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:21 AM
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More companies and organizations "reviewing" their involvement with Prince Andrew and Pitch@Palace, including corporate sponsors, and Huddersfield University where he is Chancellor:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-as-chancellor
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:25 AM
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The London Metropolitan University will be reviewing Prince Andrew’s patronage at the next Board of Governors meeting on the 26th of November-
https://mobile.twitter.com/lizzieitv...76907867656194
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:37 AM
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And here's more from The Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...lete-disgrace/

"The monarchy continues to exist with consent, and he has done more to undermine the democratic consent - if you can call it that - in the monarchy than any other member of the royal family in my lifetime. He has let down the institution."
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:54 AM
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I don't know if I believe that...he works so closely with countries in the M.E., not to mention growing up being around at least some ppl (Queen's contacts/friends) from there ...it would be odd that he would keep those contacts if he really feels that way about ppl from that region.


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