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Old 08-29-2019, 02:32 PM
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Duncan Larcombe was on GMB saying Andrew was groomed and manipulated by Epstein. It is all disgusting how they bending over backwards to defend the stupidity of this prince. The fat finger defense on top of the “He has had sex with hundreds of women but all legal!”

You are not helping him.
It is truly the most bizarre media strategy I have seen in a long while. They're drawing more attention the photo! I guess stupiditity runs rampant through the palaces. If that is the narrative they want to convey to show that he is an innocent, it is a dire situation indeed. What a bunch of amateurs.

To quote the courageous Virginia: "He knows what he's done and he can attest to that. He knows exactly what he's done and I hope he comes clean about it."
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:07 PM
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The Palace are not good at PR.. I don't know exactly what Andrew got up to sexually but I do know that he needed to take Epsteins conviction seriously and dump him.
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:12 PM
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It is truly the most bizarre media strategy I have seen in a long while. They're drawing more attention the photo! I guess stupiditity runs rampant through the palaces. If that is the narrative they want to convey to show that he is an innocent, it is a dire situation indeed. What a bunch of amateurs.

To quote the courageous Virginia: "He knows what he's done and he can attest to that. He knows exactly what he's done and I hope he comes clean about it."
I don't know all the details of that photo eg place & approx date?

You'd think if Andrew could prove he was elsewhere (easy when you have 24/7 bodyguards) he would?
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:39 PM
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This photo has been around for years, right? Why wasn’t he denying it then? Why is their second hand denials now? Also he realizes there are other pictures from that night showing both of them in those clothes? So ridiculous.
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:46 PM
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I'm interested in the British legislation in this case.

I will not point my finger at Prince Andrew until (if) he is formally charged with anything, so let's go hypothetical.

What would happen to a higher ranking member of the BRF, if he is accused of having intercourse once or several times with a seventeen year old girl in a foreign country.

Assuming no money changed hands between the girl and the BRF member and there was no obvious "pimp" involved, then surely it isn't prostitution in the eyes of the law, in regards to the girl and the BRF member?

And is it even illegal to have intercourse with a seventeen year old girl according to British legislation?

Can a Briton be sentenced for something he did in a foreign country, that is not against British legislation, at a British court?

How are the chances a high ranking BRF member would extradited to face trial in a foreign country in such a case?

What is a typical sanction against a person who has intercourse with a seventeen year old girl, according to US legislation and court practice? Assuming of course that she wasn't physically raped.
And wouldn't it be easy to plead ignorance?
After all what is the physical difference between a seventeen year old girl and an eighteen year old girl?
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:56 PM
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The picture of him was in Maxwell's house in London. So, British crimes in Britain.
The laws are different for "age of consent" if the victim was trafficked.


In the US, the laws of consent are different in every state. In Florida, the age of consent is 18, however, girls 16 and 17 may consent as long as the male is not over the age of 23. Otherwise, it is statutory rape. In New York, consent is 17 for both sexes, but a close in age exemption for 16 year olds as long as the other is less than 4 years older. Below 16, rape.

BTW, the French authorities have opened up an inquiry with respect the model agency accused of supplying girls to Epstein
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Old 08-29-2019, 04:13 PM
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This photo has been around for years, right? Why wasn’t he denying it then? Why is their second hand denials now? Also he realizes there are other pictures from that night showing both of them in those clothes? So ridiculous.
It’s a desperate move. A Trump move. What you’re seeing isn’t what you’re really seeing. Your eyes are lying to you. I’m telling you, next they’ll come up with how the man you’re seeing at Epstein’s door in the video isn’t really Prince Andrew. They’ll say it’s doctored or it was Andrew’s lookalike.
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Old 08-29-2019, 04:53 PM
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It’s a desperate move. A Trump move. What you’re seeing isn’t what you’re really seeing. Your eyes are lying to you. I’m telling you, next they’ll come up with how the man you’re seeing at Epstein’s door in the video isn’t really Prince Andrew. They’ll say it’s doctored or it was Andrew’s lookalike.


It’s all fake news. Everything seems to be these days so why not this. That or women all lie about these type of things. Just for attention or a massive amount of money. And these poor men are secretly innocent.
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Old 08-29-2019, 06:28 PM
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The Telegraph reports the FBI is examining the photo of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts to verify its authenticity
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Old 08-29-2019, 06:38 PM
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I guess what confuses me is that the Virginia Roberts/Prince Andrew photo has been out there for several years now. If HRH knew immediately that it was a fake or doctored photo, why no outrage until now?

***edit: Just noticed that ACO posed the same question above****
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:15 PM
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Another unsympathetic view from The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...t-finger-on-it
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:35 PM
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I guess what confuses me is that the Virginia Roberts/Prince Andrew photo has been out there for several years now. If HRH knew immediately that it was a fake or doctored photo, why no outrage until now?

***edit: Just noticed that ACO posed the same question above****
Because it's 99,9% likely not a fake and they're reaching for anything that might make him look slightly less like a villain.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:59 PM
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The Telegraph reports the FBI is examining the photo of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts to verify its authenticity
Good. Look forward to those results being reported. Meanwhile more pictures of this friendship is being uncovered. The Mirror’s front page has images of Andrew, Trump, and Epstein. So much for his “I only saw him a few times” excuse cause the evidence showing otherwise.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:00 PM
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What is Andrew going to do if the FBI comes back says the photo is legitimate?
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:11 PM
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Another unsympathetic view from The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...t-finger-on-it
Wow, no hidden messages here. And they are not done yet given their final sentence
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:19 AM
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I guess what confuses me is that the Virginia Roberts/Prince Andrew photo has been out there for several years now. If HRH knew immediately that it was a fake or doctored photo, why no outrage until now?

***edit: Just noticed that ACO posed the same question above****
Well, that's the thing, though. They did say that. This story that the photo was doctored, and it wasn't Prince Andrew's hands, and the girl wasn't the right height, came out in 2010 or 2011 - after Epstein's first conviction.

That's why I questioned earlier why people were more upset now. I'll see if I can find the original story.
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:27 AM
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What is Andrew going to do if the FBI comes back says the photo is legitimate?
That photo is legit and Andrew and everyone around him knows it’s legit. They’re just making a desperate move cause they know Andrew is in some real doodoo. Andrew just have to do what Giuffre said, “come clean about it.”
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:39 AM
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Do you think Andrew will agree to a lie-detector test?
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:58 AM
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Wouldn't there have to be a legal reason to suggest to Andrew that he take a polygraph test? Of course, he could offer to take one voluntarily but I really don't believe he'd take that road.

Actually, I think its way too late to start being aghast and claim the photo is a fake because, as someone else has stated, that would have come out the very first time that picture was published.

More and more is going to be coming out even though the case against Epstein has been formally dismissed. They are still investigating the co-conspirators and many of the victims will be filing civil suits. We'll just have to watch and see what develops. I don't think it looks any good for Andrew though at this point. He hasn't been accused, indicted or going to be prosecuted for a crime at this time but the hits just keep on coming.
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Old 08-30-2019, 05:02 AM
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This photo has been around for years, right? Why wasn’t he denying it then? Why is their second hand denials now? Also he realizes there are other pictures from that night showing both of them in those clothes? So ridiculous.
Really? I've not seen those - do you have a link?


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