The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Andrew got 'daily massages’ at Epstein Fla. home: testimony - NY Daily News

Thank you GracieGiraffe interesting read


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[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by royal rob

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What's that got to do with Andrew?

[MARG]

Like most of this thread, not a thing!

[royal rob]

It's to do with the other people involved and silly me thought others might find it interesting.
Don't worry I will make sure Andrews name is front and center next time.
You can rest knowing that I will abide by your rules so no need for the double kick folks
I work in childcare and often have to say " play nice children"


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http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news...riend%e2%80%99

This has Andrews name in the heading and makes comment about what's happening.
Hope this is ok to post !!!!!


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[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

What's that got to do with Andrew?

You judge a man by the company he keeps, as they say.

We now have one of Epstein's employees, a man who is completely neutral, who is not looking for a payout, as so many have accused these women, testify under oath as to the amount of time Andrew spent at the Florida mansion. He spent weeks in Epstein's home, but had no idea what was going on, and was not a part of it...

[Roslyn]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

He spent weeks in Epstein's home, but had no idea what was going on, and was not a part of it...

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

You judge a man by the company he keeps, as they say.

We now have one of Epstein's employees, a man who is completely neutral, who is not looking for a payout, as so many have accused these women, testify under oath as to the amount of time Andrew spent at the Florida mansion. He spent weeks in Epstein's home, but had no idea what was going on, and was not a part of it...

We certainly should judge people by the company they keep. I don't want to defend Andrew BUT the former employee quoted in the article you posted said that he didn't see very many underaged girls at the Florida mansion.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Andrew didn't have sex during the stay with Epstein. The question are: 1. whether he had sex with girls under the age of 18 in Florida, and 2. whether he knew that the women Epstein was flying around the world were underaged.

There are still facts that need to come out but my own feeling is that he knew or should have known. He may not have formally conspired with Epstein to violate the Mann Act but he didn't report obviously suspicious circumstances to the authorities. For that alone he deserves public scorn. I'm sure the royal family is mortified.

FWIW, I think the article posted by Royal Rob is relevant to the whole sordid story. It gives us a fuller picture.

[Skippyboo]

It's also hard to judge a young woman's age just by looks. Look at some of the photos of Kylie and Kendall Jenner they don't look like teenagers in them.


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[AfricanAUSSIE]

A photo of Andy with a young thing (in this article) i haven't seen before:
Bill Clinton ‘visited orgy island’ with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in 2002

And the handyman speaks:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2094073

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Nothing surprises me when it comes to Andrew, but I don't think he has done what she accuses him of.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by AfricanAUSSIE

A photo of Andy with a young thing (in this article) i haven't seen before:
Bill Clinton ‘visited orgy island’ with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in 2002

And the handyman speaks:
Andrew got 'daily massages’ at Epstein Fla. home: testimony - NY Daily News

Another photo of Andrew

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Skippyboo

It's also hard to judge a young woman's age just by looks. Look at some of the photos of Kylie and Kendall Jenner they don't look like teenagers in them.


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It is tough with adolescent girls.. adolescent boys are another matter. Anybody recall 8th grade class photos?

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by Skippyboo

It's also hard to judge a young woman's age just by looks. Look at some of the photos of Kylie and Kendall Jenner they don't look like teenagers in them.

That is certainly true. Look at some of the models in make-up ads. A few are 14 years old done up to prove a produce will give a 60 year old perfect youthful skin.

[Mermaid1962]

I can recall some news coming out years ago about losses she had, perhaps when the tech bubble burst. Of course, given her great wealth, it's relative.

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

The Queen has never had problems with her private finances.

[EllieCat]

Originally Posted by AfricanAUSSIE
A photo of Andy with a young thing (in this article) i haven't seen before:
Bill Clinton ‘visited orgy island’ with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in 2002

Oh, that photo of him is just awful; what was he thinking of to let himself be photographed like that; it would be hard to believe Andrew was not aware of the kind of people (young girls) Epstein associated with and that perhaps the accounts might be true with photos like that available.

I try my best to believe innocent until proven guilty, but definitely for sure Andrew has made some very bad choices in the company he keeps.

[Mermaid1962]

Agreed. A picture taken with a young woman (girl?) hanging off him with her tongue sticking out isn't a good look on him whatsoever. It's certainly no proof of the allegations that have been made against the Duke, but it's no help either. What was he thinking?

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962

Agreed. A picture taken with a young woman (girl?) hanging off him with her tongue sticking out isn't a good look on him whatsoever. It's certainly no proof of the allegations that have been made against the Duke, but it's no help either. What was he thinking?

"What was he thinking?"
From the picture, I think he was pretty happy. I mean, he showed off all his famous Windsor teeth.

[Lumutqueen]

The article doesn't say who the girl in the picture is, her facial features and hair don't appear to match that of Jane Doe 3.

[GracieGiraffe]

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962

Agreed. A picture taken with a young woman (girl?) hanging off him with her tongue sticking out isn't a good look on him whatsoever. It's certainly no proof of the allegations that have been made against the Duke, but it's no help either. What was he thinking?

Does Andy think? I'm not sure he does from everything I have read about him in the last few weeks.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Does Andy think? I'm not sure he does from everything I have read about him in the last few weeks.

Rather insulting to be perfectly frank.