The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022

[Osipi]

This is just my opinion and nothing else but in keeping "on the good side" of Maxwell, it also could be a ploy by Trump to keep mum about Trump, himself. He knows far, far more than he's alluding to. Otherwise, why would Epstein and Trump's name be all buddies and pals in SDNY lawsuit?

[Lady Daly]

Actual news clip of Trump responding to reporter. https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC/statu...048606209?s=20

It's not unusual for Trump to respond to a controversial situation or person that has been close to him in the past, that he doesn't know that much, or he hasn't been following the situation, while in the same breathe say they are a good person or wish them well as he did Ghislaine Maxwell, "I wish her well". It's Trump's formula. He used the same formula with his personal attorney and fixer Michael Cohen just before Cohen was indicted in the Stormy Daniels fiasco and just before he turned against Trump. Trump could be sending a message to Ms Maxwell to keep her mouth shut. Who knows. Anyone else, especially a POTUS, would not be wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well. Also, the fact that AG Barr has been very loyal to Trump, anything is possible. It does, however, seem Trump is keeping his distance when it comes to Prince Andrew.

[Harald]

Originally Posted by Lady Daly

Ghislaine Maxwell very well may be lobbying Trump for a pardon, although I'm not sure how that would work considering she hasn't been convicted, yet. If Trump loses the election in Nov he will hopefully be out of office before her trial next July.

For the issuance of a presidential pardon a conviction is not required since the power of pardon can also be used for a presumptive case. An example of that is President Gerald Ford pardoning former President Nixon over any possible crimes regarding the Watergate scandal.

[Nice Nofret]

If Trump pardons Maxwell, then we know she has a hold over him; if he doesn't pardon her; she probably will spill the beans big way. She is probably trying for a deal with him. But then, we all know he is a Misogynist and likes to 'grab women on their *****' and it doesn't seem to deter his followers, even if they consider themselves to be religios or women themselves

[Lady Daly]

Originally Posted by Harald

For the issuance of a presidential pardon a conviction is not required since the power of pardon can also be used for a presumptive case. An example of that is President Gerald Ford pardoning former President Nixon over any possible crimes regarding the Watergate scandal.

Thank you Harald. The Nixon pardon is an excellent example. So Ghislaine may have a way out of this afterall. Prince Andrew seems like a fly on the wall in comparison.

[Harald]

Originally Posted by Lady Daly

Thank you Harald.

You're welcome, Lady Daly.

[Lady Daly]

Elie Honig a former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York (SDNY) on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/eliehonig...95668512268288
"It was insane, sure, when the President sent his best wishes to accused child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. But it also rings a bell; he’s done this before, as a precursor to intervening in his friends’ cases."
https://mobile.twitter.com/eliehonig...94611671977986
"I can think of four times when Trump has publicly extended his best wishes to people charged with federal crimes by DOJ: Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort — and now Ghislaine Maxwell."

This case, unfortunately, may be closed well before next summer. Prince Andrew might then be able to rest a bit easier but certainly not Epstein's victims.

[Osipi]

All I'll say that if anything does happen along the lines of Trump inveigling into the Maxwell case, it'll be his own death knell in the election. It's blatantly obvious to me that *if* Trump does act on behalf of Maxwell, there's for sure some juicy stuff that Maxwell can pin on the guy.

As a sitting president, he'd be wise to let justice be served the way the US federal courts deem it to be served and not interfere. If he should lose the election in November, he's going to be just another of the "Mr. Bigs" in a long line of "Mr. Bigs" that Maxwell has "information" on.

Wonder if he's called Andrew to find out how he can stop sweating buckets yet?

[Jacknch]

A reminder that the topic of the thread is about Prince Andrew's involvement in the Epstein controversy/case and that we should limit our discussions as far as they are relevant to Prince Andrew. Thank you.

[Osipi]

I guess Maxwell isn't very happy these days. it seems that a judge has ruled to unseal a large range of documents, including depositions from Maxwell, alleged victim Virginia Giuffre, along with two John Does, as the case made its way through the Southern District of New York three years ago. These, most likely, is where it'll help the prosecution proving perjury charges now pending against Maxwell? That's my guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette.../#e780ada34391

[Madame Verseau]

Originally Posted by Osipi

I guess Maxwell isn't very happy these days. it seems that a judge has ruled to unseal a large range of documents, including depositions from Maxwell, alleged victim Virginia Giuffre, along with two John Does, as the case made its way through the Southern District of New York three years ago. These, most likely, is where it'll help the prosecution proving perjury charges now pending against Maxwell? That's my guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette.../#e780ada34391

Gigi's lawyers have a week to respond. But a lot of powerful men are not sleeping well.

[Leopoldine]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-epstein-plea/


This is horrific.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Leopoldine

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-epstein-plea/


This is horrific.

For anyone without a Telegraph account, here's the story without a paywall.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-31/...cuments-reveal

and here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...effrey-epstein

Befriending powerful people and gathering incriminating evidence against them in order to cash-in favours has been a useful ploy throughout history. You'd think the BRF would be immune to pernicious flattery, attention and freebies but it appears one of them succumbed.

[Madame Verseau]

Andrew's mess is the REAL royal scandal that the press seems like it doesn't want to focus too much on, unless there are release of court documents. For blackmail to work girls under legal age of consent as far as UK and US laws would have been used. If there is tape of Andrew with a 14 or 15 year old girl or younger the House of Windsor wouldn't survive the reputation hit no matter how much legal maneuvering is done.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Andrew's mess is the REAL royal scandal that the press seems like it doesn't want to focus too much on, unless there are release of court documents. For blackmail to work girls under legal age of consent as far as UK and US laws would have been used. If there is tape of Andrew with a 14 or 15 year old girl or younger the House of Windsor wouldn't survive the reputation hit no matter how much legal maneuvering is done.

I think anyone under 18 would be under the legal age for consent to prostitution. If the allegations are correct & he engaged in orgies with teenagers/young women via Epstein's 'hospitality', they'd need to be 18+ in UK law but it might be different in the US.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Andrew's mess is the REAL royal scandal that the press seems like it doesn't want to focus too much on, unless there are release of court documents. For blackmail to work girls under legal age of consent as far as UK and US laws would have been used. If there is tape of Andrew with a 14 or 15 year old girl or younger the House of Windsor wouldn't survive the reputation hit no matter how much legal maneuvering is done.

I get that you like being the harbinger of doom, but i honestly don't think whatever happens in this case that "the house of Windsor wouldn't survive"...
P.Andrew's reputation would be down the drain, and to be honest, it probably already is, but to think the entire house of Windsor would disappear, or in other words, it would be the end of the monarchy in GB?
I honestly don't think that will happen..

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Andrew's mess is the REAL royal scandal that the press seems like it doesn't want to focus too much on, unless there are release of court documents.

That's not true. The British press has continuously written about Prince Andrew's association with Jeffrey Epstein since 2011 when that association was one of the reasons that forced him to step down as the UK trade envoy. The case has followed him ever since and his already shaky reputation took a hit that it never really recovered from.

[sndral]

Well the fact that QEII chose to protect her louche second son for so many years may tarnish her legacy.
It also furnishes fuel for those who question just how expensive the monarchy is, if disgraced hangers on like Andrew and Sarah continue to live the lifestyle they live. I know the counter argument is that it’s not taxpayer money, but it suggests that perhaps the immensely wealthy royal family should pay more of their own bills, and perhaps the monarch should pay death duties like everyone else at least on their personal assets. Plus, Andrew still has his taxpayer funded RPOs, when other wealthy people have to pay for their own security. The fact that a disgraced ancillary non working sovereign’s son who may have used his ‘status’ to enrich himself along the way is getting such special treatment may generate questions about whether the family as a whole should be getting that special treatment and about the whole financial structure of the institution.

[Madame Verseau]

@sndral - that was what I was meaning. Stepping down from royal duties is not enough. Andrew needs to talk to the Feds and dragging down the royal house. And he should lose his HRH.

[Moonmaiden23]

...and after he talks to the Feds and is stripped of HRH, that will still not be enough for some.

There will be demands that he leave Royal Lodge...the home that is his by his late grandmother's will.

Then the demand that HMQ give a public address disinheriting him.

If he has appeared in any film or photographs of the weddings of his daughters, he should be airbrushed out immediately.

Then...he should be stripped of all accolades earned during his military service

And finally...he should be banned from attending the funerals of his parents.

Only then will the House of Windsor survive.