The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022

[Osipi]

Now this doesn't make any real sense to me. “The only way she can walk is if she gives someone up, but that definitely won’t be Andrew,” Wouldn't that seem to be the judicial system preferring to have the hamburger over the prime rib? Besides Epstein, can there really be someone "higher up" and more heinous than Maxwell? I sincerely doubt it.

I just don't see Maxwell walking away from this at all. If she does, I will personally go out and buy prime rib for my dog.

[Lady Daly]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Now this doesn't make any real sense to me. “The only way she can walk is if she gives someone up, but that definitely won’t be Andrew,” Wouldn't that seem to be the judicial system preferring to have the hamburger over the prime rib? Besides Epstein, can there really be someone "higher up" and more heinous than Maxwell? I sincerely doubt it.

I just don't see Maxwell walking away from this at all. If she does, I will personally go out and buy prime rib for my dog.

I'm so glad they finally have Maxwell behind bars. As you have enlightened me regarding other high level players whose heinous behavior may come out in court, with or without Maxwell's help, Epstein and Maxwell were the ring leaders, the masterminds. When this nightmare has been finalized in court, perhaps you will treat yourself with prime rib, sharing a few bits with your dog. No way Maxwell will "walk".

[ACO]

We shall see if anything comes from it. Claiming Maxwell has tapes of Andrew.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/ghisla...prince-andrew/

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by ACO

We shall see if anything comes from it. Claiming Maxwell has tapes of Andrew.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/ghisla...prince-andrew/

Although the NY Post usually is put into a category of being like the UK's Daily Mail, in this article, a verifiable name is given with verbatim quotes. I have heard of her before and if I'm not mistaken, it was appearing in a reality type show. Seems she has quite a few appearances in movies too to her credit.

Still, even if Maxwell was to produce tapes of Andrew doing anything at all, I don't believe it would be an ace in the hole as a bargaining chip towards *any* kind of leniency.

Gaining access to a peep show that may show Andrew in a delicate situation doesn't really relate at all to the charges brought against Maxwell. These statements being issues that Maxwell has "information" and "videos" are Maxwell grasping at straws to get herself out of the messy bed she's made for herself with her actions.

Glad to see that Oxenburg is or has been ready, willing and able to testify to what she knows. So, all in all, I think this article is the real deal.

[Winnie]

I honestly do not believe that the "big" thing to come out of this court case will be the SEX of these poor females that were groomed for the high class wealthy men. I am hoping that the trafficking of the toddlers and their awful abuse plus all the apparent well known that enjoy their blood or parts are destroyed. All those cribs in lower basement at the island have been photo'd. I want every little crime brought to light and don't care if it hurts royalty, politicians, religious leaders, actors, Hollywood elites millionaire sport figures or the big shot billionaires and their families. All should pay and this garbage stopped. It is just devilish and apparently has been going on for years. KARMA JMO

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Now this doesn't make any real sense to me. “The only way she can walk is if she gives someone up, but that definitely won’t be Andrew,” Wouldn't that seem to be the judicial system preferring to have the hamburger over the prime rib? Besides Epstein, can there really be someone "higher up" and more heinous than Maxwell? I sincerely doubt it.

I just don't see Maxwell walking away from this at all. If she does, I will personally go out and buy prime rib for my dog.

Even if Maxwell names and provides enough evidence to convict everyone ever associated with wrongdoing in this--it does not negate her massive wrongdoings. That is why I think she'll never talk-- there is just not enough upside for her to do so.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Even if Maxwell names and provides enough evidence to convict everyone ever associated with wrongdoing in this--it does not negate her massive wrongdoings. That is why I think she'll never talk-- there is just not enough upside for her to do so.

When a person feels that they're safe and "untouchable" and then they're caught, chained and locked away in a confined space with the barest of necessities (literally nothing at all for a person that is used to everything and anything being at their beck and call), clear and rational thinking goes out the window never to return. Any ploy is a good ploy. Especially when going to prison for her crimes put her as a bottom feeder in a prison society that would consider it a coup to get a piece of her. One NY Post article described the other inmates at where she was held in NH as a "snooty rich b****". It also was stated that "Injuring a high-profile inmate like Maxwell “would be a badge of honor,” former MDC warden Cameron Lindsay said." I believe this.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/ghisla...nmates-report/

Who I really feel for though in this situation is the attorneys that have been behind Maxwell for years and years and now are at a crucial point in perhaps making a career defining decision. Considering the charges and the near perfect chance of losing everything presented in court in her defense, do they continue to defend her or do they walk away and save their reputation? Of course, with Maxwell's money, they could make a fortune fighting a losing battle but then again those aren't attorneys. They're sharks out for blood ($) rather than serving in the interest of a real defense team.

This case as it goes along will be something that I look forward to following. After all this time, finally perhaps there'll be justice for the victims.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Osipi

When a person feels that they're safe and "untouchable" and then they're caught, chained and locked away in a confined space with the barest of necessities (literally nothing at all for a person that is used to everything and anything being at their beck and call), clear and rational thinking goes out the window never to return. Any ploy is a good ploy. Especially when going to prison for her crimes put her as a bottom feeder in a prison society that would consider it a coup to get a piece of her. One NY Post article described the other inmates at where she was held in NH as a "snooty rich b****". It also was stated that "Injuring a high-profile inmate like Maxwell “would be a badge of honor,” former MDC warden Cameron Lindsay said." I believe this.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/ghisla...nmates-report/

Who I really feel for though in this situation is the attorneys that have been behind Maxwell for years and years and now are at a crucial point in perhaps making a career defining decision. Considering the charges and the near perfect chance of losing everything presented in court in her defense, do they continue to defend her or do they walk away and save their reputation? Of course, with Maxwell's money, they could make a fortune fighting a losing battle but then again those aren't attorneys. They're sharks out for blood ($) rather than serving in the interest of a real defense team.

This case as it goes along will be something that I look forward to following. After all this time, finally perhaps there'll be justice for the victims.

Unfortunately that is never going to happen. There are too many powerful people involved-some of whom may no longer be living.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Osipi

When a person feels that they're safe and "untouchable" and then they're caught, chained and locked away in a confined space with the barest of necessities (literally nothing at all for a person that is used to everything and anything being at their beck and call), clear and rational thinking goes out the window never to return. Any ploy is a good ploy. Especially when going to prison for her crimes put her as a bottom feeder in a prison society that would consider it a coup to get a piece of her. One NY Post article described the other inmates at where she was held in NH as a "snooty rich b****". It also was stated that "Injuring a high-profile inmate like Maxwell “would be a badge of honor,” former MDC warden Cameron Lindsay said." I believe this.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/07/ghisla...nmates-report/

Who I really feel for though in this situation is the attorneys that have been behind Maxwell for years and years and now are at a crucial point in perhaps making a career defining decision. Considering the charges and the near perfect chance of losing everything presented in court in her defense, do they continue to defend her or do they walk away and save their reputation? Of course, with Maxwell's money, they could make a fortune fighting a losing battle but then again those aren't attorneys. They're sharks out for blood ($) rather than serving in the interest of a real defense team.

This case as it goes along will be something that I look forward to following. After all this time, finally perhaps there'll be justice for the victims.

It is a fact, actually in every country's jail that child abusers are chased inside by fellow inmates. I doubt the us system to do well with this, but would appreciate if a judge did well and serve justice. but take a look at Belgium, a european country with good reputation( far better ghan the US) Dutroux happened to be locked up... how many "co-incidentes" happened, he even escaped once ..... but hope never dies and one can only hope that Ghislane gets what she deserves.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Unfortunately that is never going to happen. There are too many powerful people involved-some of whom may no longer be living.

Let's face it. Maxwell will never be safe either on the inside of a prison or on the outside "walking away". Her number is up, being called and someone else is going to yell "BINGO" no matter where she is. This reasoning alone is one to really hit home that she needs to be on extensive suicide watch.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Let's face it. Maxwell will never be safe either on the inside of a prison or on the outside "walking away". Her number is up, being called and someone else is going to yell "BINGO" no matter where she is. This reasoning alone is one to really hit home that she needs to be on extensive suicide watch.

I am a very cynical person. I thing her "arrest" is nothing but stage managed theatrics worked out between all those involved to appease the masses.

[Osipi]

I have to say that a staging never entered my mind whatsoever. Its possible though, I guess. More reason to wait and see what develops eh?

[sndral]

There were reports that Epstein had videos, if true then Maxwell having a stash of copies is possible. However, it’s also possible that knowing the heat was on Maxwell destroyed whatever evidence she had.
In plea bargaining it’s not necessarily you go free if you agree to testify against others. It can be if you truthfully testify against others we’ll allow you to plea to fewer or lesser charges for a reduced sentence.

[Madame Verseau]

The jail took away Gigi's bedsheets and clothes to prevent a suicide attempt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....t-suicide/amp/

Everything is paper now.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

The jail took away Gigi's bedsheets and clothes to prevent a suicide attempt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....t-suicide/amp/

Everything is paper now.

Why does it read like they’re trying to get ahead of criticism when it happens

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Why does it read like they’re trying to get ahead of criticism when it happens

To me it sounds like they're doing everything they can to ensure the same thing doesn't happens twice with both Epstein and Maxwell ending up dead before they can be taken to trial.

[rob2008]

Originally Posted by Osipi

To me it sounds like they're doing everything they can to ensure the same thing doesn't happens twice with both Epstein and Maxwell ending up dead before they can be taken to trial.

Precautions were taken in the case of Epstein yet he still ended up dead.

[Claire]

Originally Posted by Osipi

I just don't see Maxwell walking away from this at all. If she does, I will personally go out and buy prime rib for my dog.

Well then - I would tell your dog to expect Christmas early and start planing that menu :)

She will get minimum or probation if anything - she know where the skeletons are hidden. If she is smart she will tell. She wont last long in prison - okay maybe one of those upper crust prisons they have for Trump's friends.

[Claire]

Originally Posted by Osipi

To me it sounds like they're doing everything they can to ensure the same thing doesn't happens twice with both Epstein and Maxwell ending up dead before they can be taken to trial.

But did they remove the guard/s or inmates that killed him, hmmm. Is this the same prison, dont know?

[ladongas]

The town where she was living:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/...new-hampshire/