The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022

[MARG]

You equate refusing to extradite a woman charged with careless use causing the ACTUAL DEATH of a schoolboy with 'WE THINK' the FBI or maybe some other alphabet organisation wish to interview but since there are no specifics, basically go on a fishing expedition?

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Diplomatic leverage can come into play. The wife of a US diplomat killed the British teen (sorry I forgot names) was officially charged in the UK. The UK doesn't get her unless Andrew talks to the Feds. The current occupant in the White House will not have the State Department take that tact; but if there is a new administration in January 2021 things could change.

I sincerely don't think they're going to be playing "Lets Make A Deal" in this kind of scenario. One reason is that the wife of a US diplomat committed a crime. She was actually *charged* with the crime and there are warrants out for her arrest should she leave the US. Andrew has not been charged or even alleged at this time by the Feds to have committed any crime. There are no warrants out for his arrest. They want him to cooperate in the investigation.

There is no universe where this scenario of "diplomatic leverage" could even been contemplated to be a "fair and square deal". As of right now, there is no way anyone can actually *force* Andrew to comply that I know of.

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Osipi

...As of right now, there is no way anyone can actually *force* Andrew to comply that I know of.

Take a look at Article 8 of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty between the U.K. & the USA - I believe it provides the procedure to be taken in order to question Andrew. https://fas.org/irp/world/uk/us-uk-mla.pdf

[Nice Nofret]

Really - I do not see why there is so much fuss about Andrew (he may or may not have had sexual contact with an 17 year old) - because I'm pretty sure there are many other men and surelly Maxwell who where much closer to Epstein and for many more contacts than Andrew. People who know more, people who saw more, people who shielded him. People he got money from.


Epstein could get on for such a long time with his criminal behavior because there where enablears in the US - a Prince Andrew is merely the cherry on his cake - but as Andrew hasn't any real power or knowledge or money ...



So if the US-System is really going after Andrew - that is in may eyes only another strategie to shield the real enabelers ob Epstein.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

Really - I do not see why there is so much fuss about Andrew (he may or may not have had sexual contact with an 17 year old) - because I'm pretty sure there are many other men and surelly Maxwell who where much closer to Epstein and for many more contacts than Andrew.


Epstein could get on for such a long time with his criminal behavior because there where enablears in the US - a Prince Andrew is merely the cherry on his cake - but as Andrew hasn't any real power or knowledge or money ...



So if the US-System is really going after Andrew - that is in may eyes only another strategie to shield the real enabelers ob Epstein.

Or they know that he was a good firend of G Maxwell and hope that he can assist them with finding her... or give them information about Epstein.

[Alisa]

Then if Andrew knows so little and has nothing to lose why doesn't he cooperate and have it all be done and over with?

The kicking and screaming make it appear that he is guilty of everything Virginia accused him of and then some!

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

Really - I do not see why there is so much fuss about Andrew (he may or may not have had sexual contact with an 17 year old) - because I'm pretty sure there are many other men and surelly Maxwell who where much closer to Epstein and for many more contacts than Andrew. People who know more, people who saw more, people who shielded him. People he got money from.


Epstein could get on for such a long time with his criminal behavior because there where enablears in the US - a Prince Andrew is merely the cherry on his cake - but as Andrew hasn't any real power or knowledge or money ...



So if the US-System is really going after Andrew - that is in may eyes only another strategie to shield the real enabelers ob Epstein.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alisa

Then if Andrew knows so little and has nothing to lose why doesn't he cooperate and have it all be done and over with?

The kicking and screaming make it appear that he is guilty of everything Virginia accused him of and then some!

I don't think hes guilty of sex with under aged girls... and it is not clear what the situation would be In regard to trafficking. I don't think he'd be held responsible if he did not know that she had been trafficked.. but he's not going to hurry to answer questions.. I suspect that he knows how dumb he is, n ow and how badly he came across and is wary of being questioned.. in case he says something stupid again

[Madame Verseau]

That's why you have a lawyer present during questioning and Andrew (well actually the queen) can afford a top notch criminal defense attorney. Stalling makes him look guilty.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

That's why you have a lawyer present during questioning and Andrew (well actually the queen) can afford a top notch criminal defense attorney. Stalling makes him look guilty.

true but in the present climate, Andrew Cant go to the US and I suspect that even with a lawyer present he's capable of saying the wrong thing or something stupid which cn make him look worse than he is. Im sure the RF and their lawyers are aware of this and are reluctat to have him questioned.

[Muhler]

I cannot imagine Andrew going to USA to answer questions.

Even if he is as innocent as Snowwhite even the most incompetent lawyer would advise against it.

But Andrew can hardly stall co-operating much longer. He has to do something.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

Really - I do not see why there is so much fuss about Andrew (he may or may not have had sexual contact with an 17 year old) - because I'm pretty sure there are many other men and surelly Maxwell who where much closer to Epstein and for many more contacts than Andrew. People who know more, people who saw more, people who shielded him. People he got money from.

That's what I think too.
It can only be that Andrew is high-profile. As a member of the RF, he deflects attention from others who are probably more knowledgeable.

[Alisa]

People who are high profile/ celebrity often get the brunt of the blame and media attention even if they are as innocent as a dove.
To me it's simple. He can get a top notch high profile lawyer to coach him on what to say and what not to day. Heck, he can probably even get his questions in advance so he can be coached.
The more he dilly-dallies the guiltier he looks and the more unfavorable he will come out on all this. If he is truly innocent as he says, he needs to act fast to save his reputation and that if his daughters as they too are indirectly affected by all this.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alisa

People who are high profile/ celebrity often get the brunt of the blame and media attention even if they are as innocent as a dove.
To me it's simple. He can get a top notch high profile lawyer to coach him on what to say and what not to day. Heck, he can probably even get his questions in advance so he can be coached.
The more he dilly-dallies the guiltier he looks and the more unfavorable he will come out on all this. If he is truly innocent as he says, he needs to act fast to save his reputation and that if his daughters as they too are indirectly affected by all this.

have you seen Andrew#s interview?

[Nice Nofret]

Just watching the Epstein-Docu on Netflix - in the first part NON of the young girls was saying anything about OTHER men .. just Epstein...


But there is a lot of evidence that he had powerfull friends who shielded him.


It's those people one should go after. THEY are, apart from Epstein, the real culpits.

[Lumutqueen]

Prince Andrews legal team has spoken;

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/sta...249246209?s=21

“Lawyers for #PrinceAndrew say he has "on at least three occasions this year offered his assistance as a witness to the Department of Justice [in the US]. Prince Andrew's team hits out at the US Dept of Justice claiming they "are perhaps seeking publicity rather than accepting the assistance proffered. The statement from #PrinceAndrew's legal team goes on: Unfortunately, the DOJ has reacted to the first two offers [of cooperation] by breaching their own confidentiality rules and claiming that the Duke has offered zero cooperation.”

I would like to strongly highlight this has no connection to Buckingham Palace or The Queen.

A copy of the statement in full;

https://twitter.com/lizzieitv/status...451249667?s=21

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Pranter

So...can the UK government compel Andrew to cooperate?



LaRae

They can demand all they want. The UK government will not comply. I believe only the US Department of Justice can formally request an extradition and that will never happen-- it is not worth ruining the extremely close friendship between the UK and the US.

This all changes if there is significant proof that Andrew actually committed a crime. In this situation they would have to publicly release the information and use public opinion to force the two governments to go the extradition route.

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Prince Andrews legal team has spoken;

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/sta...249246209?s=21

“Lawyers for #PrinceAndrew say he has "on at least three occasions this year offered his assistance as a witness to the Department of Justice [in the US]. Prince Andrew's team hits out at the US Dept of Justice claiming they "are perhaps seeking publicity rather than accepting the assistance proffered. The statement from #PrinceAndrew's legal team goes on: Unfortunately, the DOJ has reacted to the first two offers [of cooperation] by breaching their own confidentiality rules and claiming that the Duke has offered zero cooperation.”

I would like to strongly highlight this has no connection to Buckingham Palace or The Queen.

A copy of the statement in full;

https://twitter.com/lizzieitv/status...451249667?s=21

It was late January that the Assistant US attorney said Andrew refused to co-operate. Andrew’s insiders at the time said he was confused about the claims as he’d not been asked. Afterwards he hired the high profile lawyer who specialized in international criminal cases.
My guess would be that after Jan. Andrew’s legal team did have discussions w/ the Feds but that the ‘assistance offered’ by Andrew’s legal team came with conditions attached that the Feds weren’t willing to acquiesce to, hence the commencement of legal proceedings via the MLA treaty to force questioning/evidence gathering. I also find interesting Andrew’s team’s use of the terms ‘assisting as a witness,’ perhaps the Feds see him as more than a witness. Perhaps Andrew’s team wanted immunity or other assurances for his ‘willing’ co-operation which the Feds weren’t willing to give.
I am puzzled by the continued focus on Andrew by the Feds, if his involvement was as de minimus as reported, it’s hardly worth the effort.
So now Andrew is the focus of two legal battles - the MLA from the US and the civil suit over the chalet.
Edit to add link w/ info. about the MLA process https://www.tatler.com/article/princ...es-say-lawyers
Second edit - it appears that the US atty. also publically stated in March that Andrew was not co-operating. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-39268825.html One thing that stood out to me in the linked timeline article was reference to the pilot’s statement that on April 11, 2001, Andrew took a flight w/ Epstein & a then 17 year old Ms. Guffrie to the US Virgin Islands - since transporting a minor across state lines or internationally for any sexual activity can be charged as a Federal crime.

[tommy100]

I find the whole thing confusing, part of me wonders why the Feds / DoJ are putting such focus on Andrew. Its been said Epstein was friends/associated with Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, Leslie Wexner and Alan Dershowitz and of course there is Ghislaine Mazwell who know one seems that bothered about anymore interestingly despite the fact almost all the women who have spoken out have said she witnessed sexual abuse and knew the girls were underage at the time.

I honestly have a very low opinion of Andrew and would gladly never hear of him again and hope that if he has committed a crime he is punished. That said I don't see why they are placing such a focus on Andrew unless its a distraction to shift focus.

The statement today from Andrew was very clear in saying that he has offered to be witness three times and that he is not being considered a "target" of their investigations.

That said Andrew does seem to be playing this oddly, he isn't being as open and honest as he could be, seemingly attaching conditions to any talks with the US. It would be interesting to know what limitations he asked for etc.

[ACO]

Well it would seem the Justice Department has responded to Andrew's statement.

https://twitter.com/SDNYnews/status/1270074605923958785

"Today, Prince Andrew yet again sought to falsely portray himself to the public as eager and willing to cooperate with an ongoing investigation into sex trafficking," U.S. attorney Geoffrey Berman says in a statement.

If he has offered to cooperate then he should just do it. All this back and forth is odd.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by tommy100

I find the whole thing confusing, part of me wonders why the Feds / DoJ are putting such focus on Andrew. Its been said Epstein was friends/associated with Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, Leslie Wexner and Alan Dershowitz and of course there is Ghislaine Mazwell who know one seems that bothered about anymore interestingly despite the fact almost all the women who have spoken out have said she witnessed sexual abuse and knew the girls were underage at the time.

Oh, Ghislaine Maxwell has not exactly been quiet at all. Perhaps, thinking about this now, it could be a reason to refocus on Andrew again. I posted this article a few pages back but it may have been unnoticed until this thread was bumped up again with the DOJ/Andrew developments.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-...ry?id=69628102