The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 1: 2010-2022

[MissPeach77]

Originally Posted by JR76

The Queen is hardly likely to force Andrew to cooperate with the police to not damage the sale of US tabloids.

It's not about US tabloids, it's about underage girls that he apparently had relations with. If that is okay in the UK, or by the monarchy, then I apologize and I will back out of this conversation.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by MissPeach77

It's not about US tabloids, it's about underage girls that he apparently had relations with. If that is okay in the UK, or by the monarchy, then I apologize and I will back out of this conversation.

But you’ve just answered your own statement, “apparently”. Andrew has not been charged with any crime. Not submitting for voluntary question, is not a crime. Taking part in an idiotic interview is again not a crime.

As has been said previously, and from what I understand the woman who is reportedly accusing Andrew, was not underage in the state in which the act is supposed to have been committed.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by MissPeach77

I'm sorry but Andrew is disgusting and is hiding behind his momma.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...seek-interview

If he has nothing to hide then why not talk to US Prosecutors? He's already been pushed out of the royal family in regards to appearances, his poor daughter who is going to get married has to decide how much he will be a part of his wedding. When it comes to sexual misconduct and pedophilia, the US will not stand for it.

Andrew is a very small fish in a scummy ocean. The only reason his name keeps coming up is because he really isn't that important, unlike other names that periodically surface in this sordid mess who can hide behind money or influence.

And I for one am tired of pedophile being tossed around like Andrew has been accused of sex with pre-pubescent girls rather than one 17 year old, (who may have been passing for 18.)

A bit creepy since he was 41 years old (if it happened), but not necessarily criminal. He may very well have assumed the girls were hangers on of a rich man (like groupies for rock stars) rather than trafficked girls.

[Lady Daly]

Originally Posted by MARG

SDNY is not the FBI and they would have to go by the book. Andrew is not involved in the current SDNY felony case and the MET announced the subject closed.

Any other proceedings are civil, suing Epstein's estate. The Guardian, having kept the pressure on with its ceaseless breathless blathering is using Andrew as a cash cow.

Correct, the SDNY - Southern District of New York is a federal district court. FBI, a federal investigating agency.

1. With Epsteins death the federal case was closed.
2. The FBI continues to investigate. The FBI wants to speak with Andrew and as Osipi states "strictly voluntary on his part".
3. The FBI has not heard back from Prince Andrew after they contacted his attorneys requesting to speak with Andrew.

Andrew's bad press in regard to Epstein has been going on now for decades. So, yeah, Andrew has to some degree become a cash cow for the press.

It is what it is!

[Madame Verseau]

Looks like Andrew is not going to the Commonwealth Service

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...184300314.html

Anything on the BRF website because the announcement would have been it by now.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Looks like Andrew is not going to the Commonwealth Service

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...184300314.html

Anything on the BRF website because the announcement would have been it by now.

Why would he go, when he’s officially stepped back from royal duties? Bit of an obvious one don’t you think...

[MARG]

Actually no. The BRF has turned en masse for this particular service. With fewer family appearances I believe this is the last formal church service attended by more that HM, the PoW and the Duchess of Cornwall.

[Lilyflo]

The Telegraph

The Duke of York has hired Britain’s most respected extradition lawyer to fend off an FBI inquiry into his friendship with the convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, the Telegraph can reveal.

Prince Andrew is receiving legal advice from Clare Montgomery QC, the leading expert on extradition law, whose clients have included Augusto Pinochet, Chile’s former dictator and Nirav Modi, wanted for India’s biggest fraud. She has been described as “the most formidable member of the bar.”

more here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...epstein-probe/

[Osipi]

I'm going to go with a gut feeling here. Hiring an lawyer specializing in extradition is telling me that perhaps Andrew is nervous about something. If his cooperating with the FBI in its investigation into those that aided and abetted Epstein and providing information where he can was the gist of it all, why would he need a specialized attorney? Why is the word extradition even being floated?

As I understand it, in order for Andrew to be extradited to the US, Andrew would have to have been implicated in a crime that is recognized as such in both the US and the UK and carry a sentence of at least one year in prison.

This might not amount to much but I do get the gut feeling that Andrew is living life looking over his shoulder. Not a good way to live wondering when a brick is about to fall on one's head. He knows this isn't going away anytime soon.

[Lady Daly]

"Volunteering" to speak to the FBI is getting kinda expensive

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Osipi

I'm going to go with a gut feeling here. Hiring an lawyer specializing in extradition is telling me that perhaps Andrew is nervous about something. If his cooperating with the FBI in its investigation into those that aided and abetted Epstein and providing information where he can was the gist of it all, why would he need a specialized attorney? Why is the word extradition even being floated?

As I understand it, in order for Andrew to be extradited to the US, Andrew would have to have been implicated in a crime that is recognized as such in both the US and the UK and carry a sentence of at least one year in prison.

This might not amount to much but I do get the gut feeling that Andrew is living life looking over his shoulder. Not a good way to live wondering when a brick is about to fall on one's head. He knows this isn't going away anytime soon.

Anyone who has seen Andrew's interview could see how nervous and guilty he felt. It is a little amount of pressure he might feel now compared to Epstein's victims' feelings for their lifetime and I think he fully deserves what he gets no matter if he raped Ms Guiffre or not.
I know little about religious upbringing in anglican societies or his especially (if he had it or not) but wonder if he cared a single moment considering it as a sin or only a question of morality not saying what the Lord will say😳.

[Nice Nofret]

Originally Posted by Helen.CH

Anyone who has seen Andrew's interview could see how nervous and guilty he felt. It is a little amount of pressure he might feel now compared to Epstein's victims' feelings for their lifetime and I think he fully deserves what he gets no matter if he raped Ms Guiffre or not.
I know little about religious upbringing in anglican societies or his especially (if he had it or not) but wonder if he cared a single moment considering it as a sin or only a question of morality not saying what the Lord will say😳.

... well I couldn't see any guilt in that interview at all - so much for anyone



... and as far as I know till know he is not found guilty by a court and till now he was not even demanded to answer questions by the police or anyone official

[Madame Verseau]

I can't see the reason to get a lawyer that specializes in extradition law unless the feds has something on Andrew and began the initial request for extradition and it's kept quiet. And if he didn't do anything getting this lawyer makes him look worse than that interview.

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Osipi

I'm going to go with a gut feeling here. Hiring an lawyer specializing in extradition is telling me that perhaps Andrew is nervous about something. If his cooperating with the FBI in its investigation into those that aided and abetted Epstein and providing information where he can was the gist of it all, why would he need a specialized attorney? Why is the word extradition even being floated?

As I understand it, in order for Andrew to be extradited to the US, Andrew would have to have been implicated in a crime that is recognized as such in both the US and the UK and carry a sentence of at least one year in prison.

This might not amount to much but I do get the gut feeling that Andrew is living life looking over his shoulder. Not a good way to live wondering when a brick is about to fall on one's head. He knows this isn't going away anytime soon.

Here’s a link to Claire Montgomery’s experience https://www.matrixlawinternational.c...montgomery-qc/
what caught my eye was that she has experience in complex international criminal cases, including during the investigation phase. I realize the tabloids jumped on the word ‘extradition’ most likely because that word suggests a lot, but she most likely was retained because of her skills in complex international criminal cases. Let’s face it, based on the interview we all saw, Andrew isn’t very clever at answering questions, I suspect his advisors were concerned that he’d make a mess of any questioning by the FBI & possibly open himself up to charges of obstructing justice or something similar if he tailored his answers to the FBI to protect his friend Ghislaine, thus the need to retain a lawyer capable of understanding the issues.

[Lord_Royal]

Whether someone is innocent or guilty, taking part in any criminal investigation should be done with legal counsel. To do otherwise leaves a person vulnerable to scapegoating if an investigation goes awry, navigating a complex legal system ignorantly, and potentially giving up rights which they otherwise would be entitled to.

Andrew's retention of a competent lawyer is prudent. He would be an absolute fool to do otherwise.

[Leopoldine]

Andrew may have heard that other parties could be talking to authorities and hired similar counsel. I'm thinking of Ms. Maxwell.

[Lilyflo]

Prince Andrew won't voluntarily cooperate in Epstein inquiry, prosecutor says

Speaking to reporters on Monday, the Manhattan US attorney Geoffrey Berman said: “Contrary to Prince Andrew’s very public offer to cooperate with our investigation into Epstein’s co-conspirators, an offer that was conveyed via press release, Prince Andrew has now completely shut the door on voluntary cooperation and our office is considering its options.”
Article here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-lawyer-says

[victor1319]

I wonder, if they, the Feds in NY,NY, want anybody to co-operate. I mean: One has to wonder, what might come out of the questionings. A lot of mighty men are involved into this story...

It makes me fear, Prince Andrew and his unwillingness to answer questions, will him make the scape-goat here.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by victor1319

I wonder, if they, the Feds in NY,NY, want anybody to co-operate. I mean: One has to wonder, what might come out of the questionings. A lot of mighty men are involved into this story...

It makes me fear, Prince Andrew and his unwillingness to answer questions, will him make the scape-goat here.

And lest we forget, there's also a very wealthy, greedy woman that is still eluding questioning and remains in hiding. On the other hand, she hasn't totally been silent either. Of course I'm talking about Ghislaine Maxwell. Thiis woman is actually suing Epstein's estate based on "promises" Jeffrey Epstein made to always and forever float her boat. I'm flabbergasted!

This is a bit dated but with coronavirus, it went unnoticed by a lot of people.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-...ry?id=69628102

[Osipi]

If anyone is interested, Netflix now has a docuseries out on Jeffrey Epstein called "Filthy Rich".