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Old 10-21-2011, 11:28 PM
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I think history has shown that this is just never going to happen. I am always bemused by the dynamics of the York family. Parents divorced but "living" together with the children for years. As to whether they are a "couple", your guess is as good as mine but, whatever else they are, they are a family and a very close one at that!

When you compare the family dynamic against normal (undivorced) families I believe they are in the upper reaches of a "family", which leaves one wondering, why on earth did they ever get divorced?
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Russophile View Post
My gosh Her Majesty has been quite tolerant of Sarah. IMO the best thing for her to do is leave the Royal Lodge and find her own place, either in LA or South America, grow up and strike out on her own.
I would imagine that even if Sarah did set up residence in LA or even New York, she'd probably still maintain a guest suite for her use at Royal Lodge whenever she "jumped the pond" to visit her daughters or had business in the UK.

Sarah has never been noted for staying in one place very long and I would imagine that flying from LA to the UK would be like most of us driving to McD's for a Big Mac.
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by branchg View Post
The Royal Lodge is still owned by the Crown Estate and cannot be disposed of by Andrew or the monarch. He holds a leasehold over the property, which reverts back to the Crown upon expiration.

The Queen paid for the lease and renovations out of her private purse on behalf of her son, so she certainly has the final say about who can and cannot reside there. Obviously, she has no objection to Sarah's living arrangements, which is likely for the sake of her granddaughters.
As a solicitor in the UK I have to clarify a few things.

While the Crown Estate owns the freehold for Royal Lodge Prince Andrew owns a 75 year leasehold. His leasehold trumps the freehold for those 75 years. He can sell this leasehold during those 75 years. The leasehold does not necessarily revert to the Crown upon expiration either, there may be a renewal clause in the leasehold for the benefit of his heirs.

There is absolutely no evidence that the Queen paid for the leasehold and/or renovations. The Daily Mail reports that Prince Andrew paid for both from funds derived from the sale of Sunninghill Park, which Prince Andrew owned both the leasehold and freehold of at the time of sale.

Finally, as Prince Andrew's name is on the leasehold, which anyone can see on property records, he has the final say about who can and who cannot reside in Royal Lodge, legally. Family dynamics can be whatever they want but ultimately Prince Andrew has the law on his side.

For all we know he has left the leasehold of Royal Lodge to Sarah and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie in his will.

On another level, I do agree that The Queen has no objection to Sarah living there and frankly I don't think The Queen has much objection to Sarah at all.
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:07 AM
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I would actually expect that the Transfer of the Leasehold Interest to Andrew would have included clauses about its disposal, if only to ensure that there are no taxation difficulties on death and inheritance etc. I therefore think that although it is of course theoretically possible that Andrew has left his interest in the property to his former wife and daughters, [and although I have not got a shred of evidence to support my contention], my gut feeling is that Sarah will not be a beneficiary when it comes to Royal Lodge.

As to whether the Queen has any objection to Sarah, I suppose the real answer is that we will never know! My own gut feeling however is that the Queen probably views Sarah in two different lights: the personal level and the wider level. On a personal level, I daresay the Queen is able to regard Sarah and have dealings with her in an 'affable' way; Sarah is, after all, the mother of two of the Queen's granddaughters and was born into a family with close sporting [polo] connections to the BRF. And I have never regarded the Queen as confrontational. On a wider level however, my experience of the BRF is that the Queen is concerned, above all, to preserve the BRF and that the Queen is not tolerant of anything that might be a threat to the BRF or the Royal image. On this basis, I am sure that many of Sarah's actions and her behaviour over the years has done much to vex the Queen. I have noticed over the years that the Queen tends to operate in a rather laissez-faire manner; I would imagine that she was not best pleased about Royal Lodge appearing in the 'Finding Sarah' documentary and I am fairly sure that the Queen, as monarch, was appalled by the 'sobbing princesses' [ as, I think, were many members of TRF]. But in my work I have seen that the way the BRF operates is not by 'ranting and raving'. Mostly, when the Queen disapproves of something, it is her practice NOT to tackle the subject matter or the person herself, but to 'have a quiet word with her private secretary', who himself then 'has a quiet word with the 'offender's private secretary'. Which of course all helps to keep things one level below the Queen's personal involvement. And so I suspect that any 'ticking off' would have been private secretary to [Andrew's] private secretary, along the lines of 'The Queen did not like.........[insert the incident] and does not wish it to occur again'.

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Old 10-25-2011, 11:17 AM
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Regardless of what HM feels and in spite of Sarah's faults, I do think that Andrew does have a huge sense of responsibility towards Sarah as she is the Mother of his children. This will also never change. With all the up and downs in both of their lives, I am surprised that they have managed to cultivate and maintain a friendship but good for them. I still think the two of them together is still a firm recipe for disaster but I suppose what they have now "works" for them and they obviously know where the boundaries lie.
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