Prince Andrew, Duke of York Current Events 7: Feb 2015 - Sep 2022

[victor1319]

She was not a minor, and andrew has not been convicted of anything.

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

 

[Roderick]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

 

[TLLK]

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

Regarding the riding and driving even though he's no longer a working member of the BRF, he is still permitted to participate in these activities. Retired members of the BRF ie the Duchess of Kent or the late Duke of Edinburgh were also known to be photographed if they were in a public space. This happens to the working members as well when they're simply out because the papers will purchase the photos. The photographers who are well aware that there's a market for these pictures which will be sold and printed, are the ones who are taking picture of him as he rides on the Windsor Estate or drives from his home to another location. IMO that's bordering on harassment.

 

[Denville]

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

Of course he has disappeared out of public life. He is rarely seen except on his own land riidng a horse, which sorry he's entitled to do.. the press are teh ones chasing him for pictures.. he is hardly going to spend the rest of his life never going out the door. he has not worked for over 2 years. he has given up royal duty life. How is he permanently in the press - now and again, he's seen driving out or riding...
As for the money, we dont know what he paid to Virigina, but lots of people who may well be innocent settle legal civil cases for money because it s a lot cheaper than going on payng lawyers

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

Perhaps not the public appetite, but this Jubilee is a celebration of HMQ.

And if she wants her son at her side that should be the end of it imho.

 

[Denville]

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

well I dont think it should be a regular thing but things like the platinum jubille dont come along that often - nor does a fahter's memorial servic

 

[Stefan]

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

But this is also because the Press does follow him there all the time. Sometimes ome gets the feeling the are posed outsIde The Royal Lodge and are looking for when he is leaving the House.

 

[Denville]

But this is also because the Press does follow him there all the time. Sometimes ome gets the feeling the are posed outsIde The Royal Lodge and are looking for when he is leaving the House.

of coursse they are.

 

[Osipi]

Regarding the riding and driving even though he's no longer a working member of the BRF, he is still permitted to participate in these activities. Retired members of the BRF ie the Duchess of Kent or the late Duke of Edinburgh were also known to be photographed if they were in a public space. This happens to the working members as well when they're simply out because the papers will purchase the photos. The photographers who are well aware that there's a market for these pictures which will be sold and printed, are the ones who are taking picture of him as he rides on the Windsor Estate or drives from his home to another location. IMO that's bordering on harassment.

Not only harrassing Andrew but if there's a new message in the Andrew thread and it turns out to be another "Andrew was spotted (fill in the blank) link
", I keep thinking as I pass that link by that there's a minute of my life I won't ever get back again. Andrew or the royal family and all the Queen's horses and all the Queen's men have no control of pictures photographers take and media outlets that choose to print them and posters that choose to post a link to said pictures.

Andrew will never be allowed to forget that he's been put out to pasture and that his name is basically equated with slime but does he really warrant to have everyone he loves and love him shun him such that he's to spend his life in total isolation? Even convicted criminals do their time and then, on release, resume a normal life. The punishment of being thrown off of public duties is enough for Andrew who wasn't even convicted of anything at all.

I do agree with muriel though that Andrew should not be included in Jubilee events (the balcony appearance for example). Andrew isn't involved in the monarchy. Then again, on the same basis of judgment, neither should the Sussexes be included. Family occasions, yes.. Things related to the monarchy, no.

 

[muriel]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

I do not believe I referenced the statement released by Andrew not undertaking any futher royal duties, or suggested that BP said so. I merely expressed a personal opinion that I do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen at Jubilee-related events.

Whilst you are entitled to not consider my views relevant, I see absolutely no connection between the official statement and the personal view I expressed.

 

[victor1319]

But this is also because the Press does follow him there all the time.

Yeah! But there has been light and shadow in his life:

He was born into a privileged position as a Prince of the most famous Monarchy in Europe. And with that came some cool perks. So he made for example some serious money from his social standing - That is the light.

But there is shadow too - He has to spend his life in the public spotlight. Of course, he is a Prince, folks want to know what is up with him! There is a public curiosity, and since we live in capitalism, there is a commercial interest too. He has somewhat to deal with it...

 

[sophie25]

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

Your right. Imagine if any one of us on these forums had a random person accusing us of statutory rape and threatened to take us to court over it. You've never met this person in your life. Do you say "show me the way to the courtroom" or do you cough up 12 million pounds to make them go away? This is Andrew's problem in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't face her in court and gave her a colossal amount of cash instead, so not found guilty of anything but could he LOOK any more guilty? I think too many people believe the latter and if the Queen insists on rolling him out with her she will keep damaging the very institution she wants to preserve.

 

[Denville]

Yeah! But there has been light and shadow in his life:

He was born into a privileged position as a Prince of the most famous Monarchy in Europe. And with that came some cool perks. So he made for example some serious money from his social standing - That is the light.

But there is shadow too - He has to spend his life in the public spotlight. Of course, he is a Prince, folks want to know what is up with him! There is a public curiosity, and since we live in capitalism, there is a commercial interest too. He has somewhat to deal with it...

Of course he has bad things and good things in his life. Everyone has. and he has been a public figure all his life so the press sin't going to give up on getting what little bits of news that they can out of seeing him. But for the moment, all that we see or hear are the occasional sighitings him out riding or bits about his dubious financial dealings. So what is the problem wiht that?

Your right. Imagine if anyone of us on these forums had a random person accusing us of statutory rape and threatened to take us to court over it. You've never met this person in your life. Do you say "show me the way to the courtroom" or do you cough up 12 million pounds to make them go away? This is Andrew's problem in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't face her in court and gave her a colossal amount of cash instead so not found guilty of anything but could he LOOK anymore guilty? I think too many people believe the latter and if the Queen insists on rolling him out with her she will keep damaging the very institution she wants to preserve.

the queen has b een seen a couple of times with him in the past few years. he didn't even appear in the photos of his own daughter's wedding.... he escorted her at the memorial service for his fahter and her husband. How si that rolling him out?

 

[Stefan]

Yeah! But there has been light and shadow in his life:

He was born into a privileged position as a Prince of the most famous Monarchy in Europe. And with that came some cool perks. So he made for example some serious money from his social standing - That is the light.

But there is shadow too - He has to spend his life in the public spotlight. Of course, he is a Prince, folks want to know what is up with him! There is a public curiosity, and since we live in capitalism, there is a commercial interest too. He has somewhat to deal with it...

Maybe. But how is he supposed to live a private life if the Press is quasi lying out of his House and is follwoing him or taking pics once he leaves it.
That is not the case for other members of the RF who are also Princes/Princesses and are in the spotlight.

 

[sophie25]

the queen has b een seen a couple of times with him in the past few years. he didn't even appear in the photos of his own daughter's wedding.... he escorted her at the memorial service for his fahter and her husband. How si that rolling him out?

I said if it keeps happening in the future.

 

[Alisa]

She was not a minor, and andrew has not been convicted of anything.

She was 17 years old when she was trafficked to Andrew. Here in the US (where the court cases were filed) that makes her a minor. He was not convicted but his associates and his behavior has been very damaging to the monarchy.

 

[sophie25]

She was 17 years old when she was trafficked to Andrew. Here in the US (where the court cases were filed) that makes her a minor. He was not convicted but his associates and his behavior has been very damaging to the monarchy.

She could have been 27 and it doesn't matter, if you have sex with a trafficked person it is a crime. As I said though, he never met her anyway according to him so it doesn't matter what age she was.

 

[Denville]

She could have been 27 and it doesn't matter, if you have sex with a trafficked person it is a crime. As I said though, he never met her anyway according to him so it doesn't matter what age she was.

what he actually siad was that he didn't remember meeting her... and I would think that coudl well be true. And honestly given how litlte interest Andrew takes in people, he would not realise she was being trafficked. I dont say his behavour was admriable but i dont think it was illegal and he has never been convicted....

 

[victor1319]

all that we see or hear are the occasional sighitings him out riding or bits about his dubious financial dealings. So what is the problem wiht that?

Andrew has messed up! Ok, it might have been not his fault, that he was permanently photographed since then - but he was. It is, what it is!

And his permanent appearence in the press enraged obviously many, which expected an excuse from him, a public one. Andrew has not satisfied this desire... - And a lot of folks have daughters, sisters and so on or are female. They often might feel Andrew was overreaching and abusing his postion of power.

So, no public excuse, no (temporary) retreat to a life as a recluse, since he is all the time in the press, his fault or not. This is a public relations desaster of the "Firm"!

I feel he should retreat to that hut on the Balmoral Estate, where Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell were privately photographed and disappear for a while.

 

[Denville]

He is NOT in hte press permanently. He's seen out riding every few days, photos taken by a long lens camera. He is not going to stay within Royal Lodge NOR a hut in Balmoral forever and ever. And what is he supposed to say?

 

[TLLK]

Andrew has messed up! Ok, it might have been not his fault, that he was permanently photographed since then - but he was. It is, what it is!

And his permanent appearence in the press enraged obviously many, which expected an excuse from him, a public one. Andrew has not satisfied this desire... - And a lot of folks have daughters, sisters and so on or are female. They often might feel Andrew was overreaching and abusing his postion of power.

So, no public excuse, no (temporary) retreat to a life as a recluse, since he is all the time in the press, his fault or not. This is a public relations desaster of the "Firm"!

I feel he should retreat to that hut on the Balmoral Estate, where Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell were privately photographed and disappear for a while.

I understand how you feel and honestly a part of me wishes that he would do the same. However his family members(mother, daughters and their families) are primarily based at Windsor or in London. So I can understand why he'd choose to continue living at the home he's lived in for over a decade. Also keep in mind that if Andrew were to move to Balmoral or Sandringham, he's still likely to be photographed driving or riding there as well because the photographers with long range lenses would just park themselves outside the gates of that estate too. As long as the public continue to indicate that there's a market for his pictures, he's going to be harassed and photographed.

 

[Osipi]

I think perhaps all of this scandal that has so affected his reputation and has removed him from public lie perhaps does have a silver lining. With no longer having a public life to answer to, he *can* remain at Royal Lodge and spend a lot of his days with his mother should he want to. With the Queen now rarely even leaving Windsor Castle, it's nice that she has Andrew close by to spend time with not worry about Andrew neglecting his duties.

 

[Alison H]

If Andrew moved to a tent in a remote part of the Orkney Isles, he'd still be chased by photographers, so what would be the point? And he can no longer be part of the royal "firm", but that doesn't mean that he isn't still a son, father and grandfather (and brother and uncle, but that's probably no longer relevant).

 

[Denville]

I think perhaps all of this scandal that has so affected his reputation and has removed him from public lie perhaps does have a silver lining. With no longer having a public life to answer to, he *can* remain at Royal Lodge and spend a lot of his days with his mother should he want to. With the Queen now rarely even leaving Windsor Castle, it's nice that she has Andrew close by to spend time with not worry about Andrew neglecting his duties.

well exactly . HIs family live at Windsor, most of them nearby.. he can see them... Of course he will be photographed but I doubt if he's going out riding so that he can look at himself in the papers and think that he's still a noted member of the RF. He is probably a support to his mother living nearby and visiting her.... and he was a help to her going to church last week. He is not going to hide in his home, with blacked out windows.. and I dont think arrogant though he is, he wants to be seen in public more than he absolutely has to. He can't do anything to make up for the stupid things he's done... its an age now where no public muck up will ever be forgiven or forgotten. If he tried to do anything of a low level charity nature, he would not be allowed. so what else can he do but lead a quiet private life seeing his mother and family and whatever friends he has left.

 

[Prinsara]

But isn't this sort of quasi-stalking bordering on what the British press agreed not to do after Diana died? Especially given that Andrew is basically a private citizen.

There is no public interest served by photographing him every time he moves. Just curiosity. And it is getting close to harassment, for no good reason.

 

[Camsterlaird]

Andrew needs to disappear under a rock.

He certainly is having an extraordinary run of bad luck.

 

[Leopoldine]

He certainly is having an extraordinary run of bad luck.

The bad luck is that his questionable judgement and the results thereof are all being publicized now. The timing of these news stories about tax-dodging accountants and Libyan gun-smugglers and alleged fraudsters make one wonder about rogue efforts to destabilize the monarchy, given who is mad at the UK now. I think the Yorks, with their money concerns, have always been sort of vulnerable.

I'm not a conspiracy theory kind of gal, but you have to admit, it seems to be an avalanche of stories that could have hit the press any time in the past year or two.

 

[Kataryn]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

I don't think the "public appetite" should matter when a very old lady decides who is to escort her to a memorial of the escort's father. The queen has done so much and given up so much of her personal choices in service of her people, can't she have a choice now when it comes to an event that is only public because the queen is allowing it? Andrew has manoevered himself into a position that is very much that of an outcast in public opinion. Still one should respect that he is a son of the late Duke and his mother loves him. I don't think he will ever be called again to represent the Crown, but as a son of the queen, she has a right to ask him for his escort.

 

[Alisa]

He certainly is having an extraordinary run of bad luck.

It's not just a case of "bad luck". Andrew is an individual who is stubborn, has terrible judgement, and has bad decision-making skills. People like him need to be sidelined and kept as far away from the monarchy as possible.

 

[Alison H]

. I think the Yorks, with their money concerns, have always been sort of vulnerable.

It never ceases to amaze me how greedy can be. It happens with some politicians and high-flying business/professional people as well - they earn more in a few weeks than many people can dream of earning in a year, and yet some of them just have to go after dodgy business deals. No-one expects the Queen's son to live in a terraced house in a small industrial town and buy his clothes from Primark, but he had more than enough money for any reasonable needs.