Prince Andrew, Duke of York Current Events 7: February 2015

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Leopoldine

My sympathies are with the two lovely York daughters.

This expose by the Telegraph may have been known to the BRF before the memorial ceremony, as the news story detailed an investigation that didn't exactly start last week. BP may have asked them to delay.

Also, Andrew "sending back" 750,000 pounds had to have been noted by the palace people who arranged Virginia Giuffre Roberts's payment.

Eugenie had money paid to her by this fellow too.

[Alisa]

Andrew needs to disappear under a rock.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alisa

Andrew needs to disappear under a rock.

He is leading a quiet life, not working, not going outside his home even most of the time. What do you expect him to do?

[padams2359]

Not do what he did for the memorial would be a good start. Undoubtedly he strong armed his mother to allow such a ridiculous stunt. Her frailty is beginning to show, and he took advantage.

[ladongas]

Originally Posted by padams2359

Not do what he did for the memorial would be a good start. Undoubtedly he strong armed his mother to allow such a ridiculous stunt. Her frailty is beginning to show, and he took advantage.

Surely HM preferred to be escorted by her son on this occasion, rather than a Church or government functionary. Whom did it harm?

[Moonmaiden23]

Nobody "strong arms" Queen Elizabeth II. I don't believe it.

[Somebody]

I fully agree. It made a lot of sense that the queen asked her only unmarried child to support her while she walked into the Abbey for the memorial service of her late husband.

Queen Beatrix did the same at the funeral of her late husband. Her eldest and youngest son were married so they were accompanied by their wives while she was accompanied by her unmarried middle son.

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by Denville

He is leading a quiet life, not working, not going outside his home even most of the time. What do you expect him to do?

I expect him to not be seen at major royal events. This included the Memorial and the Queen's upcoming Jubliee events.

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Nobody "strong arms" Queen Elizabeth II. I don't believe it.

If anyone can strong arm the Queen it is Andrew. As Her Majesty's favorite son she has a soft spot for him.

Originally Posted by Somebody

I fully agree. It made a lot of sense that the queen asked her only unmarried child to support her while she walked into the Abbey for the memorial service of her late husband.

Queen Beatrix did the same at the funeral of her late husband. Her eldest and youngest son were married so they were accompanied by their wives while she was accompanied by her unmarried middle son.

You cannot compare the two. Queen Beatrix's middle child was not embroiled in a major scandal involving the sexual exploitation of a minor. Friso was no Andrew.

[muriel]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alisa

You cannot compare the two. Queen Beatrix's middle child was not embroiled in a major scandal involving the sexual exploitation of a minor. Friso was no Andrew.

She was not a minor, and andrew has not been convicted of anything.

Originally Posted by muriel

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

Its not a matter of an appetitite to see him but he is a member of the RF, and if hte quene would like him to come to at least one event, for the Jubilee in her hoonour, I think he should be able to.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Denville

She was not a minor, and andrew has not been convicted of anything.

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

[Roderick]

Originally Posted by muriel

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by victor1319

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

Regarding the riding and driving even though he's no longer a working member of the BRF, he is still permitted to participate in these activities. Retired members of the BRF ie the Duchess of Kent or the late Duke of Edinburgh were also known to be photographed if they were in a public space. This happens to the working members as well when they're simply out because the papers will purchase the photos. The photographers who are well aware that there's a market for these pictures which will be sold and printed, are the ones who are taking picture of him as he rides on the Windsor Estate or drives from his home to another location. IMO that's bordering on harassment.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by victor1319

Yep, this is legally seen somewhat true. But is it legit?

He has paid 12 million pound the the Giuffre girl and 2 million to her foundation for sexually abused girls. Plus: He has sold his beloved Swiss chalet for it. There is some smoke and with the highest probability fire too!

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

Of course he has disappeared out of public life. He is rarely seen except on his own land riidng a horse, which sorry he's entitled to do.. the press are teh ones chasing him for pictures.. he is hardly going to spend the rest of his life never going out the door. he has not worked for over 2 years. he has given up royal duty life. How is he permanently in the press - now and again, he's seen driving out or riding...
As for the money, we dont know what he paid to Virigina, but lots of people who may well be innocent settle legal civil cases for money because it s a lot cheaper than going on payng lawyers

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by muriel

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

Perhaps not the public appetite, but this Jubilee is a celebration of HMQ.

And if she wants her son at her side that should be the end of it imho.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Roderick

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

well I dont think it should be a regular thing but things like the platinum jubille dont come along that often - nor does a fahter's memorial servic

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by victor1319

In my humble opinion the problem is, that he never disappeared out of the public: May be he lives a quit live in his home... But he is permanently in the press with pictures of him riding and driving.

And you can't have a comeback, when you never retired before...

But this is also because the Press does follow him there all the time. Sometimes ome gets the feeling the are posed outsIde The Royal Lodge and are looking for when he is leaving the House.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Stefan

But this is also because the Press does follow him there all the time. Sometimes ome gets the feeling the are posed outsIde The Royal Lodge and are looking for when he is leaving the House.

of coursse they are.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by TLLK

Regarding the riding and driving even though he's no longer a working member of the BRF, he is still permitted to participate in these activities. Retired members of the BRF ie the Duchess of Kent or the late Duke of Edinburgh were also known to be photographed if they were in a public space. This happens to the working members as well when they're simply out because the papers will purchase the photos. The photographers who are well aware that there's a market for these pictures which will be sold and printed, are the ones who are taking picture of him as he rides on the Windsor Estate or drives from his home to another location. IMO that's bordering on harassment.

Not only harrassing Andrew but if there's a new message in the Andrew thread and it turns out to be another "Andrew was spotted (fill in the blank) link
", I keep thinking as I pass that link by that there's a minute of my life I won't ever get back again. Andrew or the royal family and all the Queen's horses and all the Queen's men have no control of pictures photographers take and media outlets that choose to print them and posters that choose to post a link to said pictures.

Andrew will never be allowed to forget that he's been put out to pasture and that his name is basically equated with slime but does he really warrant to have everyone he loves and love him shun him such that he's to spend his life in total isolation? Even convicted criminals do their time and then, on release, resume a normal life. The punishment of being thrown off of public duties is enough for Andrew who wasn't even convicted of anything at all.

I do agree with muriel though that Andrew should not be included in Jubilee events (the balcony appearance for example). Andrew isn't involved in the monarchy. Then again, on the same basis of judgment, neither should the Sussexes be included. Family occasions, yes.. Things related to the monarchy, no.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by muriel

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

Originally Posted by Roderick

That's not really relevant though surely? The statement released was that Prince Andrew would no longer be representing the royal family in an official capacity, not that he was never going to appear again with Her Majesty or any other members of the royal family.

I do not believe I referenced the statement released by Andrew not undertaking any futher royal duties, or suggested that BP said so. I merely expressed a personal opinion that I do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen at Jubilee-related events.

Whilst you are entitled to not consider my views relevant, I see absolutely no connection between the official statement and the personal view I expressed.