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Old 07-23-2021, 10:02 AM
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The Duke of York was photographed again today:


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Old 08-14-2021, 02:56 AM
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From The Telegraph article written by Victoria Ward and Danielle Sheridan, according to some "royal sources", The Duke of York will not take part in next year's Trooping of the Colour which is roughly around the same time as the Platinum Jubilee. This story comes after the lawsuit lodge this week in New York. The article itself also mentioned the future of his military title including Colonel of the Grenadier Guards.

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The Duke of York will not take part in next year's Platinum Jubilee Trooping the Colour, royal sources said on Thursday, admitting there were "difficult discussions" to be had about his military titles.

It comes amid increasing concern behind palace walls about the crisis engulfing Prince Andrew, with senior royals kept in the dark about his legal position.

The civil lawsuit lodged this week in New York, alleging sexual abuse against him, has ensured that he is highly unlikely to return to public duties even if he is cleared.

Members of the Royal family, including the Prince of Wales, fear the damage his friendship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has caused to the monarchy is already too great and there is no way back.

His military titles, including Colonel of the Grenadier Guards, would eventually have to be removed and redistributed, senior royal sources said.

The former naval helicopter pilot is a Vice Admiral in the Navy, Commodore in Chief of the Navy's Fleet Air Arm and Admiral of the Sea Cadet Corps.

A senior Navy source told the Telegraph: "It's now time for him to let the relevant organisations in the military know that, because of ongoing allegations and until his name is cleared or otherwise, he will stand down so as not to embarrass the nation."

A senior royal source told The Telegraph: "It is difficult to envisage how the Duke will be able to retain his military titles. At some point, if and when it is accepted that he will not return to public life, there will be some difficult discussions to be had."

Another aide said: "He will not be able to take part in Trooping the Colour next year if the Epstein scandal is still hanging over him, and no one can see this going away any time soon. He will have to be replaced. How could he possibly retain his military titles?"
Prince Andrew ‘will not take part in Platinum Jubilee Trooping the Colour’
Increasing concern behind palace walls about crisis engulfing Duke of York, with senior royals in the dark about his legal position
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Old 08-14-2021, 03:46 AM
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One would hope that his brother Charles would be more sympathetic.

Charles was so tight with Jimmy Savile, Bishop Ball and Laurens van der Post.


THIS is why the BRF is antsy about Andrew. It might bring up all of Charles's unsavory connections.
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Old 10-06-2021, 02:37 PM
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The Duke of York was seen riding today, October 6:


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Old 10-09-2021, 11:41 PM
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The Duke of York at Windsor yesterday morning, October 9:


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Old 10-10-2021, 06:41 AM
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Roya Nikkhah's take in The Times:

William sees Prince Andrew as a ‘threat’ to the royal family

(I'm not sure whether I should post this here or in the Epstein thread, but it's a very long article about everything about Andrew. If it's the wrong thread, moderator please kindly move it)

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Andrew is said to remain convinced there is still a royal role for him in some shape or form, if the dust ever settles. It is not a view shared up the chain of command. When he tested the water last year — with a source close to Andrew telling*The Sunday Times*he hoped to “serve his country and support the monarchy in the future” with a “public role”, claiming he had “support from the family” — the royal slap-down was swift. The Queen may be privately supportive of her son, but a palace aide firmly conveyed Her Majesty’s stance: “While the hurdles around the Epstein case are still hanging over him, it will be difficult for him to represent the family in any capacity. In these situations, the monarchy tends to take precedence over the family. The royal family is supportive of him thinking about what life might be like after issues are resolved, but the palace is not currently planning any future rebranding of his role.”

The Prince of Wales was understood to be furious about Andrew’s claim of family support for a future role. After Giuffre filed her lawsuit, a source close to Charles said that while “the prince loves his brother”, the matter continues to bring “unwelcome reputational damage to the institution”, convincing Charles that “a way back for the duke is demonstrably not possible, because the spectre of this [accusation] raises its head with hideous regularity”.

Prince William, who joined crisis talks with his grandmother and father over the decision to remove Andrew from public life, agrees that the change should be permanent. “There is no way in the world he’s ever coming back, the family will never let it happen,” says a royal source. “William is no fan of Uncle Andrew,” says a friend of the Duke of Cambridge.

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Courtiers make no secret of the fact they feel the Giuffre matter is damaging the monarchy, but a palace aide dismisses the idea that help is being withheld: “From our perception the duke’s legal team is advising him and the legal team don’t want the palace involved. The fact is he is no longer a working member of the royal family, so the palace shouldn’t be getting involved.” The aide adds pointedly: “He is getting a lot of support from his mother.”

As well as continuing to offer Andrew private support and a home on her estate, it is thought that the Queen is assisting him financially from her private Duchy of Lancaster income. The duke no longer receives any public funding from the Sovereign Grant, and his £20,000 annual naval pension is unlikely to touch the sides of paying for the lifestyle to which he is accustomed. But a source who has spent plenty of time with the royal family disputes the regularly reported theory that Andrew is his mother’s favourite son: “The Queen doesn’t have favourites — you see the interaction and feel the dynamics and I’ve never felt favouritism there.”

One of Andrew’s problems is that he is not very popular. Mention his name in royal circles and courtiers roll their eyes. As one former aide explains: “He’s not made any friends on the way up, so no one is helping him on the way down.” One Whitehall source describes him as “a self-important bore”. A military source who has dealt with Andrew on several engagements does not mince words: “I’ve got no time for Andrew. He’s a total dickhead, an arrogant ****.” A source who assisted with Andrew’s 2012 charity abseil down the Shard in London recalls his less-than-Prince Charming behaviour: “He was a total diva, lashing out at everyone.”

A former member of the royal household says that an incident in 2001, while he was walking across the forecourt at Buckingham Palace with colleagues, sums up the duke’s approach to staff: “Andrew’s Aston Martin shot through the front gates and we were forced to make an abrupt halt to avoid colliding with him as he shouted, ‘Get out of my way.’ ” Another former staff member says: “He’s quite an arrogant chap with a tendency to blame other people when things go wrong, instead of looking at his own behaviour. The Duke of York has never been one to take advice that doesn’t suit him, and he doesn’t hold back in letting you know what to do with that advice that he doesn’t want to hear.”

Yet another former royal aide who worked for him says: “He’s a deeply unpleasant man. The difference you see between him and the way Prince William and the Prince of Wales treat their staff with respect, straight out of the Queen’s handbook, is stark.”

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A royal source who knows Andrew believes he has limited options: “No business or brand in the country would touch him. He should go and manage one of the royal estates, or do something within the royal set-up that provides him with an entirely private role. He has to come to terms with a position as a private member of the royal family and stop trying to get back what he once had. He has to embrace a different role for the rest of his life. That will probably crush him, but he has to come to terms with it.”
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Old 10-10-2021, 02:19 PM
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It sounds to me like there's a man that believes he's a legend in his own mind and that mind is fixated on there always being a role of status and importance and accolades for him because, frankly, it's his due. He's the *prince*. It seems he hasn't grasped the reality of what this involvement with Epstein and perhaps his own behavior over that time has done to the worldview of his reputation and his character. Perhaps it will never sink in. Perhaps he'll live his life out feeling he's gotten the short end of the stick. It's just painfully obvious to me that there's no way back into a public role again for Andrew. Ever.

Some lessons are really hard to learn later in life and to me, this is what Andrew is facing. He's watching the world as he's known it fade away further and further into the past. In a way I do feel for Andrew but the reality is that our actions beget reactions and you cannot undo the threads of repercussions once they're set into motion. There's no white out for public mistakes and foolish choices and I do believe Andrew's pride is a big obstacle for him right now.

Andrew will be fine. He'll never go hungry or cold at night and he'll always be the Queen's son and The Duke of York. He just doesn't have a reputation that can ever be repaired.
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Old 10-10-2021, 02:34 PM
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Personally I don't believe it - the royal family are eager not to set a precedent that the public might request be continued. Say to William's children or grandchildren and possible even Charles himself.
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Old 10-10-2021, 02:44 PM
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The statement expressing the Queen's thoughts on the matter of Andrew returning to public roles really and completely stated it in bold black and white letters that there is no way Andrew will be returning. "“While the hurdles around the Epstein case are still hanging over him, it will be difficult for him to represent the family in any capacity. In these situations, the monarchy tends to take precedence over the family. The royal family is supportive of him thinking about what life might be like after issues are resolved, but the palace is not currently planning any future rebranding of his role."

Even with all the lawsuits and case against Maxwell resolved and laid into the ancient history files, the damage has been done to Andrew and he cannot ever come back from this. It's not only how his Epstein involvement has hurt his character and his reputation but Andrew didn't do himself any favors either with his own words in that disastrous interview that proclaimed his self importance and arrogance to one and all. People don't want this kind of a person representing their monarchy and their country.
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Old 10-10-2021, 04:10 PM
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From The Telegraph article written by Victoria Ward and Danielle Sheridan, according to some "royal sources", The Duke of York will not take part in next year's Trooping of the Colour which is roughly around the same time as the Platinum Jubilee. This story comes after the lawsuit lodge this week in New York. The article itself also mentioned the future of his military title including Colonel of the Grenadier Guards.



Prince Andrew ‘will not take part in Platinum Jubilee Trooping the Colour’
Increasing concern behind palace walls about crisis engulfing Duke of York, with senior royals in the dark about his legal position
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...box=1628798481
Archived link: https://archive.ph/xf8RJ
Which of his military positions is based on his career in the military? Because it doesn't make sense to remove those as well when it comes to it.
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Old 10-10-2021, 04:18 PM
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Personally I don't believe it - the royal family are eager not to set a precedent that the public might request be continued. Say to William's children or grandchildren and possible even Charles himself.
Trying to understand. What is it you don't believe? That he will have a private role/not return to public life or something else? And what consequences do you foresee for Charles, William's children or grandchildren?
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The Sun has an article which summarizes or quotes most of the story from The Times.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/163751...to-royal-life/


In April, the royals were stunned when Andrew spoke to TV cameras outside All Saints Chapel, Windsor Lodge, two days after Prince Philip’s death.

Charles, 72, was aware of his plan and feared it was a bid to get back in the limelight.

So he got out his own televised tribute from Highgrove — with sources close to Charles saying he acted 24 hours after Philip’s death to make sure he got there first with his “Dear Papa” statement.

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Andrew’s team, however are said to wish the Royal Family could be much more supportive and engaged, a source said.

They claimed: “They’ve just stuck their fingers in their ears and gone, ‘Make it go away.’

“But (the experience with) Harry and Meghan should have taught them that even when a problem ‘goes away’, it doesn’t go away.

“The Duke can no more be disinvested as a senior member of the royal family than Harry and Meghan can. It is who and what they are. If they don’t engage at all, it is going to become like Harry and Meghan on steroids.”

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Without comment on the Sussexes, who are off-topic in this thread, I am not sure what "support" is being requested by the source quoted by The Times as an alleged representative of "Andrew's team", or what "on steroids" consequences he or she is predicting if the family continues to "not engage".


The Sun further quotes an anonymous source who claims the Duke of York's siblings have agreed that there is no path back to public life for him.

A source said: “Nine months ago Charles, Anne and Edward had a meeting, a summit, and agreed there was no way back for him.”

If any of the anonymous sources are genuinely close to the senior royals, I wonder if the comments were leaked to encourage the Duke to finally relinquish his remaining official positions.
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Andrew’s team, however are said to wish the Royal Family could be much more supportive and engaged, a source said.

They claimed: “They’ve just stuck their fingers in their ears and gone, ‘Make it go away.’

“But (the experience with) Harry and Meghan should have taught them that even when a problem ‘goes away’, it doesn’t go away.

“The Duke can no more be disinvested as a senior member of the royal family than Harry and Meghan can. It is who and what they are. If they don’t engage at all, it is going to become like Harry and Meghan on steroids.”
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the person that made this statement has absolutely no clue that there's a big, bold line between how matters involving the monarchy are resolved and how family matters are resolved? Big difference in my eyes.
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YES.And also,good the case was dropped.I have always wondered what 17 year olds were doing in these circles out of their own free will...Ah,but yes ofcourse...Next!!
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The Duke of York was pictured near Windsor Castle today, October 11:


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The Duke of York was photographed in his car yesterday, October 15:


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The Duke of York on his ride yesterday, October 18:


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The Duke of York was seen driving at Windsor today, November 1:


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The Duke of York was seen at Windsor yesterday monring, November 6:


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