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Old 05-23-2021, 03:21 PM
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I dont really think he had any choice. I would say it was made very clear to him that his charities were dropping him right and left, no-one would work with him and he had no choice but to stay home and give up royal duties and make the best of his life in quiet seclusion. Who on earth would listen to him complianing about having to give up his work?
No one, of course. And it surprised me that he realized that no one listening to him meant there would be no use for him to do it. He's been broadly regarded as a royal brute for years, it rarely was of any use and he kept doing it anyway.
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:25 PM
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No one, of course. And it surprised me that he realized that no one listening to him meant there would be no use for him to do it. He's been broadly regarded as a royal brute for years, it rarely was of any use and he kept doing it anyway.
I woudl say there were some very brutally frank talks with him (probably from Charles) after that interview.. and he was made to realise that he had made an awful mess of things.. (Sadly I dont think the queen realized how bad he looked until it was made clear to her). But the charities were all dropping him, and he had no choice but to make the announcement that he was giving up royal duties. And while he was rude, selfish stupid, arrogant and greedy for money, he DID work fairly hard, as royals go...so it msut be quite a loss to him to be stuck at home with no real hope of ever working again....
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:45 PM
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Andrew is seen as someone who had sex with a much younger girl.. borderline legal. He's not going to get anyone listening ot him complaining...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:59 PM
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I woudl say there were some very brutally frank talks with him (probably from Charles) after that interview.. and he was made to realise that he had made an awful mess of things.. (Sadly I dont think the queen realized how bad he looked until it was made clear to her). But the charities were all dropping him, and he had no choice but to make the announcement that he was giving up royal duties. And while he was rude, selfish stupid, arrogant and greedy for money, he DID work fairly hard, as royals go...so it msut be quite a loss to him to be stuck at home with no real hope of ever working again....
I can easily imagine it happening this exact way.
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Old 05-23-2021, 05:36 PM
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I woudl say there were some very brutally frank talks with him (probably from Charles) after that interview.. and he was made to realise that he had made an awful mess of things.. (Sadly I dont think the queen realized how bad he looked until it was made clear to her). But the charities were all dropping him, and he had no choice but to make the announcement that he was giving up royal duties. And while he was rude, selfish stupid, arrogant and greedy for money, he DID work fairly hard, as royals go...so it msut be quite a loss to him to be stuck at home with no real hope of ever working again....
Surely there’s something he can do for his family other than keeping one horse exercised. There are library books to be shelved, and sheds to be painted, and bric a brac to be dusted, and errands to be run. That’s the sort of thing many men do in retirement, regardless of their previously exalted status. And babies to be sat!
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Old 05-23-2021, 05:39 PM
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these activities are what Andrew is actually doing with his time. Or even taking advantage of having more free time to pursue his talent for photography. He's very much keeping his life a private one and, to me, that's a good thing to be doing.
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Old 05-23-2021, 05:52 PM
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At this rate he should be able to launch a late in life career as an equestrian
Wonder who the folks are with him?
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Only around one in four of the Duke of York's patronages have confirmed formally removing him as their patron. It appears that most of the remaining charities are waiting to be contacted by Buckingham Palace regarding the way forward, but Buckingham Palace is leaving it up to the charities to contact the Palace.

It's understandable that many royal patronages would be hesitant about preempting the Palace with unilateral actions or propositions. It would be right in my view for Buckingham Palace to take the initiative, particularly since royal aides have been briefing the media for many months that the public role of the Duke is finished. A letter informing the charities that the Duke of York will remain retired from public life for the foreseeable future and offering to assign another royal patron to charities which desire to have one may be in order.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...organisations/

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Around 200 charities and organisations are said to have the Duke’s backing. Of around 150 contacted by the Telegraph, 47 confirmed they had ended their affiliation with him. Many declined to respond or opted not to comment, suggesting the very subject remains highly sensitive.

Of those who had severed ties, the majority said they had not yet replaced him. However, many said they were hoping to recruit individuals more aligned to their aims.

Only three, the British Science Association, the Council of British International Schools and the Tall Ships Youth Trust, said they had contacted Buckingham Palace in the hope of finding a new royal patron.

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Others felt they should cut ties with the Duke but felt unable to do so as he had not been charged or convicted of any crime. Instead of formally parting ways, they quietly removed his portrait from the wall, deleted his name from their website and even in one case concealed a plaque bearing his name behind a plant.

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The Telegraph’s investigation found that a lack of contact from Buckingham Palace about the unfolding events in 2019 had caused significant confusion.

Several organisations, having heard nothing directly from the Duke’s office, believed that when he stepped back, he had in fact, stepped down.

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A Buckingham Palace source acknowledged that the Duke’s individual patronages had not been contacted directly. “The announcement of the Duke of York stepping back from public duties received widespread attention and many patronages were quick to get in touch,” they said.

“Since then patronages wishing to discuss the impact on their operations have been dealt with as they arose.”

Many charities noted that the Royal family’s website, listing the Duke as patron of 136 charities and organisations, was woefully out of date. Many are not included, whilst other associations ended some time before the Epstein furore.

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Royal aides have insisted that there will be no way back until he is able to clear his name.

A spokesperson for the Duke of York declined to comment.
The article lists examples of charities which have severed ties and charities which technically have the Duke as their patron for the time being (some of which erroneously assumed he had resigned).
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Old 05-23-2021, 06:29 PM
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I woudl say there were some very brutally frank talks with him (probably from Charles) after that interview.. and he was made to realise that he had made an awful mess of things.. (Sadly I dont think the queen realized how bad he looked until it was made clear to her). But the charities were all dropping him, and he had no choice but to make the announcement that he was giving up royal duties. And while he was rude, selfish stupid, arrogant and greedy for money, he DID work fairly hard, as royals go...so it msut be quite a loss to him to be stuck at home with no real hope of ever working again....
I agree that there were some brutally frank talks— but I don’t believe Andrew would have stepped back unless the brutal talk/truth actually came from mommy’s lips
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Old 05-23-2021, 07:31 PM
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Instead of formally parting ways, they quietly removed his portrait from the wall, deleted his name from their website and even in one case concealed a plaque bearing his name behind a plant.
That is sad. And unfair to the charities of all things, which did nothing wrong except choose an unfortunate patron. And now many of them seem to be stuck in limbo. Wouldn't it be more graceful for Andrew to inform them they're free to find someone else (less embarrassing)?
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Old 05-23-2021, 07:40 PM
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At this rate he should be able to launch a late in life career as an equestrian
These photos of Andrew riding are all so tame! I expect the Queen to be riding at a nice safe walk but I would love to see Andrew having a bit of a canter.
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Old 05-23-2021, 10:22 PM
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Andrew is seen as someone who had sex with a much younger girl.. borderline legal. He's not going to get anyone listening to him complaining...
Tried and convicted by media sensational suppositions. There has been no evidence that he committed any crimes and even the FBI said they had no questions for him. Yet he, out of all the great and good, has been vilified and his life destroyed. What about all those famous actors, politicians, scientists, members of government and suchlike who were also "friends", stayed with him or flew with him? Men such as Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, Alexander Acosta, Lawrence Kraus, Elon Musk, William Barr, Kevin Starr, Bill Gates, Leon Black, to name but a few?

Well, the majority of them are US citizens and can successfully sue for the type of vicious, unsubstantiated accusations of paedophilia and human trafficking that are routinely plastered over the tabloids of the UK.

There is no charge, no conviction, no time spent in prison, yet the vicious drubbing he gets in the UK media and even on this forum, he is treated as a convicted criminal and he can't fight back. You have destroyed his life and are still not content. He is being castigated for riding in Windsor Park doing no harm to anyone.
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Wonder who the folks are with him?
Judging by their attire I would assume they are Windsor staff, specifically grooms or stable hands.
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Old 05-23-2021, 11:53 PM
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Don't forget Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway. She also socialized with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Old 05-24-2021, 04:37 AM
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I agree that there were some brutally frank talks— but I don’t believe Andrew would have stepped back unless the brutal talk/truth actually came from mommy’s lips
As I've said, I fear that the queen didn't really realize how bad things were till the charities started to drop him and the press were very critical of his interview. She's a very old lady, she has led a sheltered life and he's her favourite, and she may have made excuses her in mind for him.. but she's not a fool, and I think that she did realise it. And then she and Charles would have made it clear to him that he had to step down...
but Andrew should have realised that a lifestyle of "having girls procured for him", esp when they were trafficked or were only just of legal age, is not something that is acceptable to a public figure any more.. and he should have never done the interview and cut down on his charities.
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Old 05-24-2021, 04:37 AM
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Surely there’s something he can do for his family other than keeping one horse exercised. There are library books to be shelved, and sheds to be painted, and bric a brac to be dusted, and errands to be run. That’s the sort of thing many men do in retirement, regardless of their previously exalted status. And babies to be sat!
Do you really think that Andrew does stuff liek that?
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Old 05-24-2021, 05:42 AM
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As I've said, I fear that the queen didn't really realize how bad things were till the charities started to drop him and the press were very critical of his interview. She's a very old lady, she has led a sheltered life and he's her favourite, and she may have made excuses her in mind for him.. but she's not a fool, and I think that she did realise it. And then she and Charles would have made it clear to him that he had to step down...
but Andrew should have realised that a lifestyle of "having girls procured for him", esp when they were trafficked or were only just of legal age, is not something that is acceptable to a public figure any more.. and he should have never done the interview and cut down on his charities.
It looks unacceptable only for him, though. Last time I checked, Bill Clinton and the rest of them were spreading sage wisdom and are seen as some speakers of God's own truth, yet Andrew who was sought only to give testimony is treated as THE criminal.


What did he do, after all? He's been known as overbearing, tactless, entitled and too pompous. He gave a disastrous interview in which all these lovely attributes shone through. These are the only things that we know for sure.


I bet the FBI knows where he was, hour by hour, at the times they're interested in. I also think all of this is deliberate. He isn't the only one who socialized with Epstein or who slept with trafficked girls, I'm sure. Did he realize they were trafficked, BTW? But he's one of the few who aren't overly bright. And it's much more sensational to point the lights to the insignificant second son of TQ, rather than investigate some of the very American figures who hold the actual political and economical strings (compared to Andrew).


Now, I think that everything that happened led to the practical impossibility for him to stay in public life. He cannot be a public face of the monarchy anymore, that's clear. And a huge part of it is his own making. Was he warned about Epstein? Yes, I believe he was. Did he take the warning to heart? Of course not. That would require some wisdom, reason and caution that he severely lacks. But comparing the treatment he receives compared to others, it's definitely unfair. For Pete's sake, I even saw suggestions that he'd be traded for Anne Sacoolas who actually fled from justice.
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Old 05-24-2021, 05:52 AM
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It looks unacceptable only for him, though. Last time I checked, Bill Clinton and the rest of them were spreading sage wisdom and are seen as some speakers of God's own truth, yet Andrew who was sought only to give testimony is treated as THE criminal.


What did he do, after all? He's been known as overbearing, tactless, entitled and too pompous. He gave a disastrous interview in which all these lovely attributes shone through. These are the only things that we know for sure.


I bet the FBI knows where he was, hour by hour, at the times they're interested in. I also think all of this is deliberate. He isn't the only one who socialized with Epstein or who slept with trafficked girls, I'm sure. Did he realize they were trafficked, BTW? But he's one of the few who aren't overly bright. And it's much more sensational to point the lights to the insignificant second son of TQ, rather than investigate some of the very American figures who hold the actual political and economical strings (compared to Andrew).


Now, I think that everything that happened led to the practical impossibility for him to stay in public life. He cannot be a public face of the monarchy anymore, that's clear. And a huge part of it is his own making. Was he warned about Epstein? Yes, I believe he was. Did he take the warning to heart? Of course not. But comparing the treatment he receives compared to others, it's definitely unfair. For Pete's sake, I even saw suggestions that he'd be traded for Anne Sacoolas who actually fled from justice.
But this is a royal forum.. So his behavior is what is being discussed...yes there may be American and other politicians and so on, who behaved as badly or worse than him.. but they're for another discussion forum.
And a royal has a symbolic function so that without committing actual criminal deeds, they may be criticised and thrown out of public life, "just because they are royal and they acted in an unbecoming way."
Andrew probably didn't realise that the girls were trafficked but he was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell who was the one doing a lot of the nasty stuff. He hung around with Epstein not just to get girls but to make money - just as he has made money on the side by association with dubious oligarchs.. that's another piece of unroyal behavior, that combined with the Epstein friendship and the girls has destroyed his reputation.
And another reason he didn't probably realise the girls were trafficked and were very young was that he is simply blind to people who are of a lower social class than him, and just thinks that they are there to serve him and he does not notice them. That's what's pretty repulsive of him and why no charity will touch him again IMO.

Andrews royal status is unlikely to be taken from him.. because he's the queen's son, he is her favourite and she'll try to make excuses for him.. IMO he is lucky that his status is likely to mean that the only punishment he is suffering is to lose his job and to have to lead a quiet life in premature retirement.
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Old 05-24-2021, 06:08 AM
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For Eugenie's Wedding he was the Father's Bride in its Glory
For Beatrice Wedding was he Present? Pictures with the Queen and the Duke od E.
For August birth no family Pictures
For the coming baby he did any announcement .
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Old 05-24-2021, 06:11 AM
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For Eugenie's Wedding he was the Father's Bride in its Glory
For Beatrice Wedding was he Present? Pictures with the Queen and the Duke od E.
For August birth no family Pictures
For the coming baby he did any announcement .
no, he is not likely to be in any family pictures.. it was fortuitous that Bea was married so privately and they had a good excuse to keep both Sarah and Andrew out of pictures.
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Old 05-24-2021, 06:17 AM
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Tried and convicted by media sensational suppositions. There has been no evidence that he committed any crimes and even the FBI said they had no questions for him. Yet he, out of all the great and good, has been vilified and his life destroyed. What about all those famous actors, politicians, scientists, members of government and suchlike who were also "friends", stayed with him or flew with him? Men such as Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, Alexander Acosta, Lawrence Kraus, Elon Musk, William Barr, Kevin Starr, Bill Gates, Leon Black, to name but a few?

Well, the majority of them are US citizens and can successfully sue for the type of vicious, unsubstantiated accusations of paedophilia and human trafficking that are routinely plastered over the tabloids of the UK.

There is no charge, no conviction, no time spent in prison, yet the vicious drubbing he gets in the UK media and even on this forum, he is treated as a convicted criminal and he can't fight back. You have destroyed his life and are still not content. He is being castigated for riding in Windsor Park doing no harm to anyone. Judging by their attire I would assume they are Windsor staff, specifically grooms or stable hands.
Completely agreed.
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