Options for Sarah to recover from the 'Cash for Access' scandal

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Irish Eyes

Any reports as to where Sarah is at the moment, Spain? or Scotland?

If she showed her head at scotland I think we'd see red.
Somewhere on a free holiday.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by fergalicious

Don't feel sorry, Sol! The Princesses have a brave mother that adores them. The family is still close, has always been. Do me a favour, don't believe everything you hear or read in the papers.

We do not discuss "secret" sources here. Put in reliable and verifiable sources.

To your comment: It is not brave to steal.

[Vasillisos Markos]

Drinking may relax one's inhibitions but it rarely makes one do something against one's will. I have done some foolish things while inebriated but owned up to my behavior (and the accompanying headache) the next day. In the law, voluntary intoxication is never a defense to a crime requiring mens rea or intent. So, if Sarah said she was drunk, then join AA but don't use that as an excuse for your actions. Maybe that's why some say, "It wasn't me but the whiskey talking"

[fergalicious]

Fergalicious says you have to trust her and not acting as if you know everything. It's their private life, you don't know how these 2 people think or how they feel.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by fergalicious

Fergalicious says you have to trust her and not acting as if you know everything. It's their private life, you don't know how these 2 people think or how they feel.

Nor do you. "Trusting" you is not an option. Back it up with sources, or couch it (as do we) with "in my opinion."

[Russophile]

Well, after the public comments of Prince Andrew referring to Sarah as his "Third child" after his 50th birthday party, I hardly think he considers her to be wifely material yet again. Now I ask you does that sound like somebody who's goo-goo-gaa-gaa in love over their mate?
Anybody?
Anybody at all.
Beuhler?

[Iluvbertie]

Who stole stuff? I haven't heard of anyone being charged with theft. What have I missed?

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

Drinking may relax one's inhibitions but it rarely makes one do something against one's will. I have done some foolish things while inebriated but owned up to my behavior (and the accompanying headache) the next day. In the law, voluntary intoxication is never a defense to a crime requiring mens rea or intent. So, if Sarah said she was drunk, then join AA but don't use that as an excuse for your actions. Maybe that's why some say, "It wasn't me but the whiskey talking"

That might be the case where you live but there have certainly been cases here in NSW where being intoxicated has lead to no conviction on the grounds of temporially being unable to make reasonable decisions (temporary insanity) and it has also successfully been used as a defence with drugs - not when driving but with things like murder etc.

[Vasillisos Markos]

It may account for lesser included crimes, such as involuntary manslaughter, but unless you are so blotto that you cannot account for your actions, intoxication will not excuse your crime. I was attempting to make the point that Sarah may claim she was drunk but I am not hearing that "being drunk" excused her behavior. It is clear, at least to me, that Sarah knew what she was doing was wrong.

[Osipi]

They may still care a whole lot about each other and have the world's most loving divorce, but I honestly think that even if Andrew proposed remarriage to Sarah, she'd decline. IIRC it wasn't just the loneliness and Andrew being away at sea so much that contributed to the divorce (although I am sure it did), but also Sarah being very uncomfortable and unable to handle life within the Firm.

I do think they care a lot about each other and want to continue having a happy family unit but these are just two people that feel their best shot in life is being divorced from each other.

[Katrianna]

In either the Mail or Telegraph, I can't remember which, it was stated that after leaving the Queen's holiday cruise, Beatrice and Eugenie will join their mother for a vacation in Spain. Sarah can't be too concerned with all her money problems and such.

[Katrianna]

Andrew and Sarah may care for each other, but Sarah has a funny way of showing how she cares. Andrew's caring is probably stretched to the limit by now.

[Polly]

They share unbreakable bonds - two daughters. I think it a credit to both of their parenting skills that the princesses are on excellent terms with them and each other and have remarked in the past how lucky they feel that their parents are so close.

I'm old enough to recall how much ordure the Duchess bore when she married - nasty press about her weight, constant comparison with Diana, criticism of her every move and comment, seeming persecution from courtiers who didn't approve of her...it was never ending.

As I've claimed above, many people who are experienced in the way of the world and press are pleased to still call Fergie their friend. This alone speaks volume to me.

Nor do I forget that before the long knives came out for Fergie, she was a great favourite with the Queen.

[Russophile]

As she was with Prince Philip. However! Many affairs, many gaffes, and many bills later, Sarah is still in the Twilight Zone on the Titanic doomed to repeat the same mistakes time and again, and again, and again, and again. . et. cetera. . .. . .

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Katrianna

In either the Mail or Telegraph, I can't remember which, it was stated that after leaving the Queen's holiday cruise, Beatrice and Eugenie will join their mother for a vacation in Spain. Sarah can't be too concerned with all her money problems and such.

The Daily Mail says

Beatrice and Eugenie are heading for Sotogrande in southern Spain to join their mother in a friend’s villa. It’s their fourth trip this summer. So far.

Noithing about Andrew though.

[fergalicious]

@NotAPretender: you got me wrong. It was only a friendly advice. The people you are talking about all the time, you don't know them personally. You're talking about sources. Sources? How do you know that these sources aren't pure speculation as well?

In general I find it a bit tacky that this seems to be a steady hobby to some people - to badmouth about the private lives of strangers.

[Lumutqueen]

Sources are the only thing we have to go on, we don't know Sarah, Andrew or the girls personally and if we did I doubt any of us would ever talk about their personal lives on here.

We are expressing our opinions about people, posters might have negative opinions about Sarah and it is their right to express them.

This forum is dedicated to talking about the royalty of the world, I adore this forum and it is a hobby for me.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Russophile

As she was with Prince Philip. However! Many affairs, many gaffes, and many bills later, Sarah is still in the Twilight Zone on the Titanic doomed to repeat the same mistakes time and again, and again, and again, and again. . et. cetera. . .. . .

Yes - much whiskey under the bridge.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by fergalicious

The people you are talking about all the time, you don't know them personally...

And....neither do you.

Sources or opinions - that's the lingua franca here. Not strolling in and ordering established posting parties that they must trust you, take your word for "it" that they/we are wrong.

Not buying what you are selling, m'dear.

My opinion about Sarah has gone from enthusiastic admiration during their courtship and marriage, to dismayed observation during her many escapades which ranged from tacky to promiscuous, to a modicum of respect as she hauled herself out of debt, and now to a rueful realization that she's not anything that can be molded into anything resembling a whole adult.

The thread's topic is "what can she do to recover from this." The answer in my estimation is to place herself under the guidance and regulation of an entity that will act in her best interest even when she wheedles, cries and tantrums for something that is not.

I read the article on Susan Boyle a few days ago, and the very tight monetary controls placed on her. They sounded like an excellent model to use here. The only person whinging about the financial controls on Ms. Boyle was her brother, who I speculate might not have been whinging on Ms. Boyle's behalf, but in frustration that his own interests were thwarted.

Liquored up or not, Sarah's judgement is impaired on almost every count.

To recover from this latest debacle, Sarah has to submit to financial and personal guardianship.

Those who seek to excuse her by blaming it on her past are actually reinforcing that Sarah lacks the decision making process that would allow her to grow beyond her limitations. She can't, she won't, and she doesn't want to.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Who stole stuff? I haven't heard of anyone being charged with theft. What have I missed?

Taking without paying is stealing. If it's "theft of services," like hiring a portrait painter then never paying, it's stealing their services and intellectual property. If you have food and liquor delivered and never pay for it, it's stealing.

It's not pocketing the silver spoons from the sideboard, but it's stealing.

IMO, what Sarah has done is no better than common theft. In fact, it's worse: it's not like she was stealing a quart of milk to feed her starving babies. She's stealing to keep up appearances. A low-rent Bernie Madoff, if you will.

bertie, I know you think the world of her and I'm not posting this as a jab at you. I just think that what she has done is reprehensible. Whatever the excuse is, the bottom line is that she took without paying. Repeatedly. To the tune of millions. And that's stealing. That's theft.