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If King George V left the bulk of his estate (I'm referring here to money) to his eldest son what are we to make of Edward sitting through the private reading of his father's will repeatedly asking "Where do I come in?" then?

Philip Ziegler in 'King Edward VIII' wrote

'On 22nd January George V's will was read at Sandringham. Some three quarters of a million went to each of the royal dukes and the Princess Royal; nothing was left to the eldest son. Only Queen Mary, the King and Clive Wigram were present whe the royal solcitor Sir Bernard Halsey-Bircham delivered this news.

Wigram tried to explain that King George had assumed that he, as Prince of Wales, would have built up a substantial fortune out of the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall and had no need of any more... Similarly, King Edward VII had left nothing monetarily to George.'

Edward kept on saying "My brothers and sister have got large sums but I have been left out." Alan Lascelles described him afterwards as 'striding down the passage with a face blacker than any thunderstorm.'

Of course after the abdication, in spite of having a fortune in Duchy money salted away, Edward pleaded poverty to the new king, his brother George VI.

I'm sorry for going off-topic with this, but as we are discussing royal finances and it was stated that Edward VIII inherited a lot of money from his father, I thought I'd put this into the thread.
 
Princess Anne and Timothy Laurence got married in Crathie Kirk in 1992 in Scotland. The Church of Scotland permits the remarriage of divorced people.
Would Prince Andrew and Sarah, if they were to be remarried and wanted a church wedding, be required to marry outside of England?
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CyrilVladisla said:
Princess Anne and Timothy Laurence got married in Crathie Kirk in 1992 in Scotland. The Church of Scotland permits the remarriage of divorced people.
Would Prince Andrew and Sarah, if they were to be remarried and wanted a church wedding, be required to marry outside of England?
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Ooh! Interesting question. What is the attitude of the Anglican Church to remarriage of divorced people when it is the two former spouses remarrying each other? Would they view it the same way as people who had formerly been married to other people, or as, in essence, rescinding the divorce? Since the Church regards marriage as for life, wouldn't it be pleased as punch to have the couple remarrying each other, and welcome them to remarry in an Anglican Church?
 
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I would think that if an establishment such as the Church of England views marriage as something for life, a divorced couple remarrying each other could/would be handled as a renewal of their vows. As well as completing what is necessary to make the marriage legal once more, it also reaffirms the vows they made to each other long ago.

Just a wild guess.
 
Does the Anglican Church even officially regard Andrew/Sarah as divorced? I am not at all sure that they do, in which case wouldn't the couple just need to civilly re-marry without a formal Church ceremony?
 
The CoE does recognise divorce and so in the eyes of the church they are divorced. Andrew and Sarah could remarry in the church IF the officiating minister is willing to do so and the main grounds for which a minister would refuse would be if either Sarah or Andrew were a party to the divorce of the other. That could lead to some refusing as obviously Andrew and Sarah were both partners to the divorce but...as they would be wanting to renew their marriage commitment I doubt that the church would have any objection.
 
Now I am confused. If the Church of England does recognize divorce,why did the late Princess Margaret have to give up Peter Townsend with her speech about accepting the "teachings of the Church that marriage is indissoluble"?

And why did Princess Anne need to have her second marriage solemnized in the Church of Scotland?
 
Both of those events happened BEFORE the church changed its views around 2000.


The CoE, like many other organisations is an organisations whose views on some issues has changed over time e.g. women priests were unthinkable even 30 years ago but they are quite common now.
 
Thanks for the clarification. But poor Princess Margaret.
 
I think the real reason was that T. was divorced. She could have married him, but would get no financial support...and be known as Mrs. Townsend. Margaret did not want to be anything other than Princess. Now, I don't know if this is true, but I have read it several times. Any enlightenment.
 
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:previous: Don't be too sorry for Princess Margaret. That public statement about her putting duty before love was all PR designed to boost her stocks. She'd simply gone off him. Princess Margaret rejected marriage to Townsend 'because she was unsure, not out of duty' | Daily Mail Online
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I'm not so sure; I read that she agreed to marry Armstrong-Jones because she'd heard of Townsend's engagement. And her friends did say she always regretted not marrying him when she had the chance.

But who can say for certain? I don't think she had a very happy life, anyway.
 
The August 26, 2013 Huffington Post article on Prince Andrew's Divorce mentioned:
Sarah has publicly expressed regret about her divorce. "He and I both wish we'd never got divorced, but we did," she said. "I wish I could go back and be the bride again, but I can't."
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I'm not so sure Andrew really wants to remarry Sarah even if he could. He can date who he wants and do what he wants she has no real say in what he can and can't do. As a wife she would I can just imagine the backlash if she was allowed back into the fold. At the moment Sarah lives the life of a Duchess without any of the duties and I think it suits her. She didn't exactly impress the Queen or family with her work ethic back then. The Church has changed dramatically since Princess Margaret but several stories have come out saying it was more the losing of her money and Status that caused her to really not marry Pete Townsend and Antony Armstrong Jones was a rebound and to get back at the Palace. I do think Margaret regretted what she did but she was young and beautiful and probably thought she could do better. I like Lord Snowdon but he was not meant for Royal Duties very similar to Sarah. I think we will see Beatrice and Eugenie get married before either of their parents. It's been a long time for Beatrice and Dave wonder if it could happen this year?
 
I think Andrew and Sarah could end up surprising a lot of people.

I think Bea and Dave is getting close to deciding what they're going to do.
 
Dman said:
I think Andrew and Sarah could end up surprising a lot of people.
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It would be a lovely surprise to all concerned if they managed to stay out of the Press for a whole year!
 
muriel said:
It would be a lovely surprise to all concerned if they managed to stay out of the Press for a whole year!
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I don't think Fergie ever wants to stay out of the press. :lol:
 
CyrilVladisla said:
The August 26, 2013 Huffington Post article on Prince Andrew's Divorce mentioned:
Sarah has publicly expressed regret about her divorce. "He and I both wish we'd never got divorced, but we did," she said. "I wish I could go back and be the bride again, but I can't."
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That's probably one of the most honest, adult statements she has ever made. And I don't doubt that they both regret divorcing, but the fact is that they did.

And despite any misgivings over how they have conducted their personal lives, as parents they have been nothing less than stellar. It's so ironic when you remember all the snide, cruel remarks in the British press in the 80's and early 90's comparing Sarah's mothering skills with those of Diana. But it's very clear now who was the superior parent, at least to me it is.
 
muriel said:
It would be a lovely surprise to all concerned if they managed to stay out of the Press for a whole year!
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They're public figures and have things to do. Of course they can't stay out of the press for a whole year.

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That's probably one of the most honest, adult statements she has ever made. And I don't doubt that they both regret divorcing, but the fact is that they did.

And despite any misgivings over how they have conducted their personal lives, as parents they have been nothing less than stellar. It's so ironic when you remember all the snide, cruel remarks in the British press in the 80's and early 90's comparing Sarah's mothering skills with those of Diana. But it's very clear now who was the superior parent, at least to me it is.
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The York's and Wales's were always good parents, despite their own marital issues. When it came down to be mom's and dad's, they did a pretty good job.
 
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If Andrew Albert and Sarah Margaret were to remarry, think of the grandeur if their wedding occurred at York Minster.
Would Andrew be the first Duke of York to get married at York Minster?
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If Sarah and Andrew ever remarry it will be a small private ceremony. No splash.


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[The York's and Wales's were always good parents, despite their own marital issues. When it came down to be mom's and dad's, they did a pretty good job]// quote

I wish I could agree with you Dman, but the Wales', Diana in particular, chose to make their children the battlefield on which they waged their marital war with one another. There is an unforgettable, sad photo of a humiliated William with his head hanging down as his mother speaks to him after the infamous Panorama interview. It was taken at his school:sad:.

Diana loved her boys and did her best under the circumstances, but I don't feel that she always put her children's emotional wellbeing first, over her own.
 
Sarah does a lot of partying and socialising in clubs with her adult offspring, thus killing two birds with one stone; keeping herself in the public eye via the paparazzi and her public image as a fun mother to her daughters. I don't see that it's necessary for Fergie to share the York princesses' social life.
 
I don't think it's necessary or dignified for Sarah to socialize so much with her 20-something daughters. But it's unlikely that Beatrice and Eugenie have any objection to it, in fact they have always looked perfectly content in their mother's presence on these outings.

Until very recently the Yorks as a family went on holidays together and even posed for Christmas card photos en famille. Their way of conducting their life as a "divorced" family seems unorthodox to many people. But let's face it...it seems to work perfectly fine for them.
 
Am I the only one expecting an engagement between Princess Beatrice and Dave?

I know we've been speculating a long time. But now that they've been dating for almost 9 years and is mature enough at 27 I think this will be the year for them.

Besides, it might take the limelight of Prince Andrew and the Epstein controversy for a bit.


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I think that Beatrice and Dave might have to put off an engagement due to this business with her father, which is too bad.
 
I have the strange feeling this year might be the turning point: split or wedding...
 
I hope Beatrice doesn't feel pressured (or is pressured by others) to announce an engagement just to take the limelight off Andrew, just thing how often in the future it would get mentioned -'announced their engagement as her father faced claims he'd slept with a minor'.
To be honest I think the rest of the RF and the Royal Household will hope for a quiet year with no more news from the Yorks, to me that includes weddings and engagements.
 
:previous: On the other hand, I hope that this business with her father doesn't cause Beatrice to postpone an announcement if one were planned. It would be a shame if she and Dave had decided to marry and now feel obliged to put their plans on hold. We'll never know, of course.
 
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