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Old 07-21-2018, 04:23 PM
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Let's look at this carriage ride thing from a totally different angle. Leave Eugenie and Jack out of it and primarily focus on the security.

This security will most likely be handled by the local Windsor law enforcement department. I know that for Harry and Meghan's wedding they beefed it up with the help of the Metropolitan Police/Scotland Yard but I do not know if this is the case for this wedding.

Are the LEOs in Windsor prepared for this? I would think they are. They handle crowd control just about every single day in Windsor. There are quite a few major events that happen yearly in the area and the ones that come to mind right off the bat would be Garter Day, Ascot Week and The Windsor Horse Show that draw immense crowds each year. There are events listed that happen every day at Windsor Castle such as the changing of the guard.

So, a short carriage ride by Eugenie and Jack through some public areas of Windsor, proper, is a drop in the bucket for them. They're quite adept at handing any and all events that occur just because Windsor Castle is located there.

When we look at it this way, this carriage ride is just a small blip in a day where their LEOs handle bigger, badder and more intense crowds. Harry and Meghan's carriage ride was something they were well prepared for ahead of time and this one for Eugenie and Jack is going to be on a much smaller scale. It won't be a disruption at all but just another crowd control issue.
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:37 PM
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When we look at it this way, this carriage ride is just a small blip in a day where their LEOs handle bigger, badder and more intense crowds. Harry and Meghan's carriage ride was something they were well prepared for ahead of time and this one for Eugenie and Jack is going to be on a much smaller scale. It won't be a disruption at all but just another crowd control issue.
i'd say that it is very much a security issue. Even if Eugenie is not well known, as a royal she IS still a royal and they are not going to mess around with her security on a public occasion like this.. so I think that there will be a heavy police presence, security experts will be involved.. it will all cost quite a bit.
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:44 PM
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i'd say that it is very much a security issue. Even if Eugenie is not well known, as a royal she IS still a royal and they are not going to mess around with her security on a public occasion like this.. so I think that there will be a heavy police presence, security experts will be involved.. it will all cost quite a bit.
Wouldn't that also apply to the Windsor Horse Show when the Queen attends just about every day or Garter Day when there's a slew of royals attending and possibly even foreign ones? Ascot Week always has had a beefed up security force.

Just saying that the town of Windsor is well prepared security wise for this kind of thing. Its what they do. Its not throwing them for a loop. Its not an anomaly for Windsor but something that goes with the flow of Windsor itself.
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Old 07-21-2018, 05:48 PM
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Wouldn't that also apply to the Windsor Horse Show when the Queen attends just about every day or Garter Day when there's a slew of royals attending and possibly even foreign ones? Ascot Week always has had a beefed up security force.

Just saying that the town of Windsor is well prepared security wise for this kind of thing. Its what they do. Its not throwing them for a loop. Its not an anomaly for Windsor but something that goes with the flow of Windsor itself.
but this is an extra day. Police cost a lot of money, if they are called in from other areas... Its one thing to pay for the queen's security, even thogh many people aren't too keen on it.. and another to pay for security for a granddaugther whom few people know or follow..
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:21 PM
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Personally, I would leave the decision on what the security "costs" to the departments that are going to be paying for the "extra" security. Its not like the Windsor law enforcement department sits down and itemizes what each and every overtime paycheck would look like or how many extra law enforcement officers have to be bussed in from London or itemize the wear and tear on the equipment and the gas to fuel the transportation and then present a lump sum for the the carriage ride to the Queen demanding payment.

What the taxpayers pay for Windsor security is for Windsor security to dole out as they deem fit and proper for the event. Just like the Sovereign Grant, a certain figure is deemed appropriate on a yearly basis and that's what they have to work with. I would imagine its the same for the Metropolitan Police and Scotland Yard and Windsor law enforcement. Its part and parcel what comes with the job. There's no pick and choosing what is "appropriate" or not or a measuring of "importance" due to the royal or even anything personally coming into it. It may play a part but isn't the total overall picture. Assessment is made of a need to ensure the safety of the public and the VIPs that may or may not be a part of it.

Actually, I imagine that if, by chance, there is chatter of that leads to the belief that there is a chance of impending harm to *anyone* (I believe there are active threat levels in play), Windsor law enforcement would beef up their security even without that carriage ride. Its what they do. They're paid to protect and serve no matter what the situation is.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:35 PM
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Well Jiminy Cricket, I must have wedding fever because I’m excited for this lovely couple. I’d love if it was televised but will be happy with any little snippet of their day.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:55 PM
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Oh me too. I'm thoroughly hooked on any pomp and pageantry and ceremony that the British provide us with. Its what they do better than anyone else.
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:05 PM
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Oh me too. I'm thoroughly hooked on any pomp and pageantry and ceremony that the British provide us with. Its what they do better than anyone else.
Ditto!!!!!!
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:41 PM
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I have deleted the more off topic and/or argumentative posts.
Please remember that this thread is to discuss the wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank. It is not the place to discuss the future of the monarchy, how much the British taxpayers pay for the monarchy, how much American taxpayers pay for their President, the titles of the Queen's grandchildren, or how much the wedding of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex cost. It is also not the place to discuss the popularity of The Duke of York, Sarah, Duchess of York, or Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York, or the careers and charity work done by Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie.


That said, it is also time to move on from the back and forth arguing about how much the security for the wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank will cost, or who will be paying for it.
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Old 07-23-2018, 12:43 AM
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I hope for a little televising of Eugenie's wedding. With all the senior Royals in attendance there will be security regardless. A carriage ride will be sweet to see and televising doesn't lead to additional security. Coping safely with crowds gathering outside (due to no photographers) adds to preparation.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:53 AM
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It was different back then when the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra weded. Theirs were really full-scale royal weddings, with so much publicity and attention (especially Princess Alexandra's). But these were different times, the 1960s! And their position in the Firm was different than the York girls'. They were close to the core of the RF, working on behalf of the young Queen, who had only one sister to support her and little children at that time. They were really a big help to the Queen, their role was important in terms of day-to-day running of the monarchy and its public life.

And there was Prince Richard, who was a younger son not expected to take over after his father's, who also wanted (or had no other option) to live his own life and have a career, and who had a really down-scale wedding. That's what I think should be the example for the York girls.

As for the titles for the Phillipses, I remember reading somewhere that Angus Ogilvy regretted that he did not accept an earldom, setting a precedent that led (inspired?) Mark Phillips to follow him in this choice. And that now we have children of the Princess Royal with no style or title, like most-common commoners, Mr, Ms.

Anyway, I don't think that someone needs to be treated a special way or deserves more than others just because he or she was born in this family or another. Thus, the York girls should not be treated or accorded anything else/more than their Phillips cousins just because they are descended in male-line from the Queen. The gender preference does not even apply any more to the order of succession. They should be, though, only if they were performing official duties on behalf of the Sovereign and working for the monarchy. Or maybe also when in the direct line to the throne, with a real possibility to succeed one day. But they don't. Are not. In fact, they are simply the Queen's granddaughters and their status of princesses of blood is archaic and meaningless today. At least for the people. I'm sure that their Grandma loves them, though
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:45 PM
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JAN MOIR: Who the hell does Princess Eugenie think she is? https://dailym.ai/2LiY4D9 via @MailOnline

This article is just apalling! When did the DM turn into their comment section, what happened to professionalism?!

Well this is interesting, it seems like most in the comment section are actually defending Eugenie.
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Old 07-23-2018, 09:18 PM
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When it comes to the DM journalistic professionalism is thrown out the window.

'as important as one of the queen's corgis'

'should shuffle off into the unknown and get married'

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She’s not exactly a huge star within the Royal Family firmament, and over the years she has done absolutely nothing to distinguish herself or to encourage public affection. Indeed, she is most famous for her ridiculous fashion faux pas, including an irrational fondness for wearing teapot-shaped skirts, a trait that is hardly likely to get them out cheering on the streets of Berkshire.
Oh yeah a career with an art gallery. 10 patronages. Done absolutely nothing but be a fashion mess

Jack now works for a tequila brand in 'the kind of untaxing work only a posh boy lands'. Yeah no mention he has worked his way up in the bar business and created his own wine merchant business. Of course not.


But then again Edward and Sophie got promoted to Duke and Duchess

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A little light charity work here. A vague position in the art world there. Anybody need their coloured pencils sharpened? She’s your girl.

Now not just a corgis, or less important then a corgis
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Like a neatly groomed, determined seagull, Eugenie has spent nearly three decades drifting along in the richly foaming wake of the Queen, picking off what she can from the royal catch.
And of course they have no friends, the guests of honors will be Harry as they desperately latch on to his fame. And the people who will come wont be palace staff and memebrs of her charity work but :

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No doubt the Sussexes will be guests of honour at the October wedding. And, no doubt, the public tickets will be over-subscribed because, let’s face it, they are free. And there are enough royal fans and random tourists out there to take advantage of the offer.

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Old 07-23-2018, 09:20 PM
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JAN MOIR: Who the hell does Princess Eugenie think she is? https://dailym.ai/2LiY4D9 via @MailOnline

This article is just apalling! When did the DM turn into their comment section, what happened to professionalism?!

Well this is interesting, it seems like most in the comment section are actually defending Eugenie.
Wow, this is an incredibly tacky article. It has a few nice sentences interspersed with really hateful, snide rhetoric.

"Instead of shuffling off to tie the knot discreetly in parts unknown — as perhaps befits her relatively lowly royal status — the princess and her 32-year-old fiance Jack Brooksbank will marry on October 12 in St George’s Chapel, Windsor."

Her cousin Peter married at St George's also--Maybe Jan Moir is too stupid to know that. She seems very bitter.
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It's a mean-spirited article.
Even most of the comments say that it is bitter and nasty, and express the hope that Eugenie will get the wedding she wants.
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Wow, this is an incredibly tacky article. It has a few nice sentences interspersed with really hateful, snide rhetoric.

"Instead of shuffling off to tie the knot discreetly in parts unknown — as perhaps befits her relatively lowly royal status — the princess and her 32-year-old fiance Jack Brooksbank will marry on October 12 in St George’s Chapel, Windsor."

Her cousin Peter married at St George's also--Maybe Jan Moir is too stupid to know that. She seems very bitter.
And Zara who is even further from the throne had her reception at Holyrood. The queen's official residence (not private hidden away wedding either). But remembering Facts is too much to ask of the DM.

If nothing else it is old tradition. Marrying in the bride's family church. She has more link then Harry does to St George's. She grew up at Windsor. She attended St George's Windsor before Marlborough.
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:17 PM
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JAN MOIR: Who the hell does Princess Eugenie think she is? https://dailym.ai/2LiY4D9 via @MailOnline

This article is just apalling! When did the DM turn into their comment section, what happened to professionalism?!

Well this is interesting, it seems like most in the comment section are actually defending Eugenie.
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It's a mean-spirited article. Even most of the comments say that it is bitter and nasty, and express the hope that Eugenie will get the wedding she wants.
I agree. Nasty article. Poor Eugenie. Hope she ignores the provocateurs.

I admit to being initially surprised at what seemed to be a 'plumped up' wedding, but really, there are innumerable very solid reasons for their going this route. I see that, and in the end it's not really my concern. But I do think people are interested in weddings. I certainly am. Love the atmosphere. The best of all family celebrations imo. Eugenie was not going to be able to escape substantial interest because it is a wedding and royal, so she (or they) have gone a route that allows them to control the day. More power to them.

I look forward to seeing her gown and veil (will she wear Sarah's tiara?), the choice of bouquet and attendants' dresses, all the usual. So much fun! Plus they are clearly in love and Eugenie is so very pretty. And nice. That she should be burdened with people's animus towards her parents is unfair (as it is for anyone having to bear the burden of family as we have recently seen). Have your wedding, Eugenie! The Queen is casting her blessings on all arrangements!
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:03 AM
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It's a mean-spirited article.
Even most of the comments say that it is bitter and nasty, and express the hope that Eugenie will get the wedding she wants.
I must admit that I didn't expect Jack and Eugenie's wedding to be televised. I am surprised then with rumors that it might be, or even that it probably will be. We don't know yet for sure, but if it is indeed televised, let us recall that no broadcaster is forced to do it. If they choose to do it, it will be because they think the wedding is of interest to at least a significant section of their audience, which is actually probably true.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:53 AM
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I'm team televised , I like watching weddings and I don't care who gets married .
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I was waiting for an article like this to appear, it took them a good week or so since the announcement but it's no surprise. Anything to bring them down. It is such a shame!
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