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I think when it comes to family weddings, the "royal" status and pecking order goes out the window and its Granny hosting for her grandchild with the father hosting the evening celebration. Titles and whether they're working royals don't determine how a grandmother feels and treats her grandchildren.
I agree that royal status and pecking order don't determine how a grandmother feels and treats her grandchildren. However, the working royal does change certain things. If we were to go with the route that being working royal doesn't matter, then Zara and Peter really got short changed because the Queen didn't host a reception for either. In fact, for Zara's reception, the Queen is listed as an attending guest. I don't think the Queen would've hosted anything had William and Harry not been working royals and it was an entirely private affair. It's just highly unusual for grandparents to act as hosts when the parents are highly involved and taking charge with the couple.
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:27 AM
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I agree that royal status and pecking order don't determine how a grandmother feels and treats her grandchildren. However, the working royal does change certain things. If we were to go with the route that being working royal doesn't matter, then Zara and Peter really got short changed because the Queen didn't host a reception for either. In fact, for Zara's reception, the Queen is listed as an attending guest. I don't think the Queen would've hosted anything had William and Harry not been working royals and it was an entirely private affair. It's just highly unusual for grandparents to act as hosts when the parents are highly involved and taking charge with the couple.
Maybe there's a good reason here. Perhaps the Queen as "Granny" was acting in a stand in role in a matriarchal sense. At Harry's wedding we saw Doria Ragland afforded the same position in seats as was relegated on the other side of the aisle to the Queen.

Both Peter and Zara have a mother who would host a luncheon. William and Harry's mother is deceased and perhaps the Queen stepped in. The Queen just may do this again for Eugenie or she may not. Depends on where the reception after the ceremony is held. If its at Windsor Castle, I think the Queen will host it. If its elsewhere (Frogmore, Royal Lodge or one of those beautiful hotels in the area), I think both Andrew and Sarah will host it.
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:32 AM
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Eugenie and Jack: Wedding Suggestions and Musings Thread

Eugenie has made some shocking fashion mistakes but I have a feeling (hope)this time she will get it right
I think we are very lucky to have another wedding so soon to guess about
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:14 PM
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:05 PM
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I still don't see how they are going to handle Fergie for this wedding. She and Andrew have been living together for years, but at Harry and Meghan's wedding she had to walk to the church alone and she didn't sit with the Royal family. Is she going to be sitting on the opposite side of the church or will the queen waive protocol and let her sit with the Windsors? Who's paying for this wedding, the queen or Andrew; and will Andrew want a big blowout for Eugenie because is a blood princess.
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:16 PM
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Fergie is the mother of the bride, she will sit on the bride's side. The royal family are adults, they can handle being mature. I don't expect her to be sitting next to the queen, I am sure there will be a buffer.

Harry's wedding was another matter. Fergie was there simply as a Guest, she was not the immediate family of either the bride or the groom. There was no reason she would have to be seated with her ex-husband. Jack would not have been seated with them if he wasn't engaged to Eugenie, if he was invited.

The queen gifted receptions to Zara and Peter as their wedding gifts. As far as I understand, not just giving them the venue, but covering at least some cost. I would think she would likely cover a good chunk of Eugenie's as well. Why I think we will likely see a more formal family lunch or such with the queen and others at Windsor. And then Andrew will throw a evening party for their friends later in the evening.
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:30 PM
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I still don't see how they are going to handle Fergie for this wedding. She and Andrew have been living together for years, but at Harry and Meghan's wedding she had to walk to the church alone and she didn't sit with the Royal family. Is she going to be sitting on the opposite side of the church or will the queen waive protocol and let her sit with the Windsors? Who's paying for this wedding, the queen or Andrew; and will Andrew want a big blowout for Eugenie because is a blood princess.
I would be very surprised if Sarah didn’t sit next to Andrew.
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:33 PM
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I still don't see how they are going to handle Fergie for this wedding. She and Andrew have been living together for years, but at Harry and Meghan's wedding she had to walk to the church alone and she didn't sit with the Royal family. Is she going to be sitting on the opposite side of the church or will the queen waive protocol and let her sit with the Windsors? Who's paying for this wedding, the queen or Andrew; and will Andrew want a big blowout for Eugenie because is a blood princess.
Don’t know about arriving, but she’ll be seated with Andrew at the wedding, not that we’ll see it as it won’t be aired. Harry’s wedding is different. Even Jack didn’t walk down with the royal family even though he was as seated next to Eugenie. I imagine HMQ and Prince Philip would still be seated like they are at Harry’s wedding. It’s possible Beatrice will be seated how William was seated, in front of Prince Philip and the. Andrew and then Fergie in the front row.
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:40 PM
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Don’t know about arriving, but she’ll be seated with Andrew at the wedding, not that we’ll see it as it won’t be aired. Harry’s wedding is different. Even Jack didn’t walk down with the royal family even though he was as seated next to Eugenie. I imagine HMQ and Prince Philip would still be seated like they are at Harry’s wedding. It’s possible Beatrice will be seated how William was seated, in front of Prince Philip and the. Andrew and then Fergie in the front row.
I was surprised about Jack not walking with the BRF. Why was that?

(Probably not the right thread for this question)
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:12 PM
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Jack was sitting with Eugenie in St George but he didn't walk with the Yorks? I thought with Meghan as a royal fiancee they loosened up the rules where the bethored show up. Meghan was at Sandringham for Christmas, the Commonwealth Service, ANZAC rememberance services and the Queen's birthday concert. Jack was at that concert as well as Easter service at Windsor. Why couldn't he walk with the Yorks?
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:16 PM
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I'm thinking that perhaps they'll handle the seating in the chapel much like my son's wedding. With being divorced and not really on good terms with each other, my ex and his wife sat on one side of the aisle while my husband and I were seated with the bride's mother and her husband (the bride's father is deceased). In no way could it have been construed that either the groom's mother or father were more "important" than the other.

Of course with Eugenie and Jack's wedding, HM, The Queen will take top precedence in seating. We'll just have to wait and see if we even get to know how the seating went for this wedding. If the only fly in the ointment would be that Philip would object to Sarah sitting with the royal family, I think he'd be told to buck up and endure for the short amount of time that a wedding ceremony takes.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:21 PM
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Like other weddings in St George's, the queen and Philip will be in the second row. I don't see any reason to believe Andrew and Sarah wont sit together on the first row, with a seat of course empty in front of the queen. Sarah wouldn't be sitting next to the queen anyways. These are adults, I am sure they can act as them. Jack's parents will be across from them on the groom's side.

Eugenie of course has more family then the royals. Not simply her mother. There are Fergusons to consider.
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Old 06-04-2018, 12:41 AM
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Like other weddings in St George's, the queen and Philip will be in the second row. I don't see any reason to believe Andrew and Sarah wont sit together on the first row, with a seat of course empty in front of the queen. Sarah wouldn't be sitting next to the queen anyways. These are adults, I am sure they can act as them. Jack's parents will be across from them on the groom's side.

Eugenie of course has more family then the royals. Not simply her mother. There are Fergusons to consider.
It is quite possible any Fergusons will be seated on the same side as Jack's family (opposite the Royals) just as the Spencers were for William's and then Harry's wedding
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:03 AM
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Jack was sitting with Eugenie in St George but he didn't walk with the Yorks? I thought with Meghan as a royal fiancee they loosened up the rules where the bethored show up. Meghan was at Sandringham for Christmas, the Commonwealth Service, ANZAC rememberance services and the Queen's birthday concert. Jack was at that concert as well as Easter service at Windsor. Why couldn't he walk with the Yorks?
It might have been decided to have him there to meet Sarah so she wouldn’t feel alone. And I don’t think they’ve loosen up the rules on betrothed with Meghan. She just happened to attend some more serious events that we haven’t seen royal fiancées attend in the past like Commonwealth Service and ANZAC. We don’t know they wouldn’t have given other fiancées the same curtesy as they gave Meghan, which is that she’s essentially allowed to walk in and be seated as if she was already married. For Commonwealth Day, she and Harry were given seats ahead of Andrew and Anne. As for Sandringham, that was still odd to me. I know she doesn’t have family in London, but I initially expected her to go to LA. Maybe she had to stay in U.K. for other reasons, who knows. But my suspicion for the Sussex wedding is that Jack and some other members thought it might be nice for Sarah if Jack was with her. He was waiting for her at the gate and escorted her to her seat.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:54 AM
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It is quite possible any Fergusons will be seated on the same side as Jack's family (opposite the Royals) just as the Spencers were for William's and then Harry's wedding
The Spencers were seated on Kate's side as it was there, or way in the back. The reality is besides the full extended Windsor clan (far more then Harry's), the Cambridge wedding also had a boat load of foreign royals to seat. They were in the lantern seats (equivalent of the quire seating for St George's) next to the BRF. The Spencers if seated on William's side, would have been way back in the poet's corner among the diplomats and dignitaries. Some of Kate's family friends were back there.

Instead they were put in a place of honor, just on the opposite side of the aisle. They were seated across from the foreign royals.

For practical reasons though, the Fergusons and likely a few others will be on Jack's side. There are only 31 seats, 32 but 1 open infront of the queen, in St George's quire on each side.

Harry had 4 seats open to non-family on his side. But along with Fergie, Eugenie is likely to have a few extra family. Her godfather James Oglivy and his wife, perhaps their kids. Freddie and Sophie if Maude is a bridesmaid.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:41 AM
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I hope it is telecast, even if not live; though it probably won't be.
I think Eugenie will be a very pretty bride and the wedding will be lovely.
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:15 AM
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We'll probably get to see only the arrivals to the church and the departure, as we did during Pippa Middleton's wedding. Eugenie is a royal princess, but she's not a full-time working royal. It would be nice to see her wedding televised, but I doubt we will. I don't think the royals are keen on inviting cameras in to intrude on a smaller family-oriented wedding.
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Yes, I expect he will.. much of the time he will carry it [giving him something to do with his hands], and obviously it's handed to an Usher at the Chapel doors.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:16 PM
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Who's paying for the wedding? According to Express Andrew, Fergie, and the Brooksbanks are:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.exp...dding-cost/amp

This is the first time I heard that the married in groom's family splits the costs of a to wedding. No hint that the queen is paying for anything.
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